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crashstappen has binned it into the gravel. (trashing all the nice new bits fitted to the car) It does look a bit twitchy to drive.
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crashstappen has binned it into the gravel. (trashing all the nice new bits fitted to the car) It does look a bit twitchy to drive.
Looks like he got the opposite lock on but the car just had no grip on the rear axle
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1232979403132547073
not good to do it with the big boss in the garage 😀
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finger boy loses it at the same corner, pebbledashing the circuit.
Just started watching series 2 of “Drive to survive”
Think that’s my weekend gone
A mixed bag so far, but here are my entirely throw away predictions for the first race weekend:
* Podium for (T)Racing Point
* Russell in the Williams to make it to Q2
* Renault to finish ahead of McLaren
New series of drive to survive is on Netflix today.
amusingly lots of visibility of rich energy so far
I lie, mr storey has appeared in episode 2
More Ferrari International Assistance?
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Purple helmeted honey badger. In f1 commentary 😂😂😂
As per simondbarnes post above "Ferrari International Assistance"?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/formula1/51688538
Teams want answers...
Non Ferrari powered teams formally object
My guess about the Ferrari engine (based on a bunch of postings by F1 journos) is that the FIA couldn't prove that whatever they were doing was technically illegal, but told them they have to stop doing it because it was contrary to the intent of the regulations. Hence Ferrari weren't accused of cheating, but weren't publicly cleared either. The agreement was because the FIA wanted Ferrari to explain exactly what they did (so they could monitor for it in the future), but Ferrari wouldn't do that unless they had a written assurance that they would not be formally charged.
As it stands, it looks very dubious, so Ferrari have been publicly embarrassed. I think the other teams just want to keep it in the news to keep the embarrassment level up for as long as possible. Nothing will come of it because the evidence that Ferrari provided won't be eligible in court because of the agreement they signed, so nobody can actually prove that they were... ummm... not exactly abiding by the spirit of the rules.
Pretty much my thoughts too.
The big question that needs answering though is would any other team/engine supplier been treated differently? The fact that Todt is the FIA President while this has happened will not sit well with a lot of people. I know the standard joke is it stands for Ferrari International Assistance but surely with an ex-Ferrari Team Principle at the helm you'd think they'd do everything they could to prevent any favouritism accusations.
It'll run and run as a backstory for a while yet.
Dunno if this answers any questions
I wonder how many teams are calculating the loss (in millions) that those "technically legal" engines cost them?
I wonder how many teams are calculating the loss (in millions) that those “technically legal” engines cost them?
One - Red Bull. There's no way McLaren would have beaten Ferrari even if Ferrari had to lose whatever trick thing they were doing with their engine. Red Bull don't care about the prize money, they will want this to stay in the news to embarrass Ferrari.
I'm not sure on this "technically legal" thing...
My understanding is that the engines were strongly suspected of violating the fuel flow rule which is worded as follows:
"5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h" Pretty black and white.
But Ferrari came up with with a way of defeating the sensor (for example by pulsing the fuel at times they know the sensor is not measuring) therefore the accusation could not be proved. Further fire was poured on the flames with LeClercs fuel inconsistency.
It's also clear their performance took a massive positive step change when they got it working and another when they had to stop using it.
I mean look at how messy LeClerc's quali lap was at Singapore. He had a few big oversteer moments yet still set a purple in S1 and took pole.
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Red Bull don’t care about the prize money, they will want this to stay in the news to embarrass Ferrari.
Maybe not their primary motivator but ...
Red Bull Sports Director Helmut Marko specifies: "We'll lose a double-digit million amount if we finish third instead of second. Not only because more is paid out for second place. Our sponsorship contracts are also performance-based. I suppose it's the same with the other teams."
Red Bull. There’s no way McLaren would have beaten Ferrari even if Ferrari had to lose whatever trick thing they were doing with their engine.
And how many other teams lost points due to Alfa and Haas?
Yes, Red Bull will care about the difference between 2nd and 3rd for sponsorship purposes, but there's no way that McLaren would have beaten Ferrari so it's a moot point for the rest of the grid. There may still be people at McLaren (and other teams) who remember the 2007 spying scandal and see this as an opportunity to serve a bit of that back at Ferrari. Can't blame them really, this does look pretty dodgy.
I’m not sure on this “technically legal” thing…
The legality is determined by the fuel flow meter. If that says that it never exceeded the limit, then the case won't stand up in court. It's definitely very fishy, but if the FIA can't prove it was illegal, they can't disqualify the car.
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There may still be people at McLaren (and other teams) who remember the 2007 spying scandal and see this as an opportunity to serve a bit of that back at Ferrari. Can’t blame them really, this does look pretty dodgy.
Yes, and RB who were DQ'd for exceeding fuel flow a few years ago even though the meters were not reading consistently.
RedBull (well, Helmut anyway) have said they want $24m in compensation - what they and Torro Rosso (I assume) would have got for finishing one place higher
It doesn't matter where Ferrari would've finished had they not exploited this particular loophole - the rules governing fuel flow are clear and the precedent has been set with Red Bull being disqualified before for a transgression.
If Ferrari have done a quiet deal with the sport's governing body then this does not bode well.
It's always been one Rule for the Red Team and another set for the others.
Onboard of verstappen going round the refurbed zandvoort. Turn 4 looks pretty tasty, not too sure how many overtaking opportunities without DRS there will be though.
the precedent has been set with Red Bull being disqualified before for a transgression.
In that case, there was clear evidence that Red Bull had transgressed. I this case, it looks like the FIA couldn't prove that there had been a transgression. Corpus delicti.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-not-satisfied-ferrari-engine/4719698/
As many suspected, FIA thought they were cheating, couldn't definitively prove it.
The F1 2019 game is currently 70% off on Steam.
The F1 2019 game is currently 70% off on Steam.
Does the 70% off include the Ferrari cheat mod or do you have to pay extra for that via a private agreement???
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Does the 70% off include the Ferrari cheat mod or do you have to pay extra for that via a private agreement???
The specifics of the agreement will remain between the parties.
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8 F1 team members now in quarantine and being tested for Coronavirus...if positive, the Victoria State chief health officer says they may cancel the race
Can't they just hook their simulators up to the net and have an e-race? To even the playing field, everything must be driven off a single extension cord plugged into a socket with a 10 amp fuse.
LOL - I was just about the post the same thing!!
Kick those spotty kids out of their gaming chairs! 🙂
I can see the Australian race going ahead dispite the virus. The Australian governement seem to have quite a different attitude to sport/money than a lot of others. The ticket holders will just turn up anyway.
However, Vietnam has cancelled visa entry to most European countrys, so I reckon thats going to stop that race happening, even if its without spectators, the team cant fly there.
Team member tested positive - McLaren withdraw from Aus GP
Will see what happens with Haas, and whether any other teams withdraw.
If it goes ahead it won't be classed as a championship round - so whats the point of it happening?
I reckon the race will be cancelled now
Was just coming to say that I'd wager it'll be cancelled if the teams get twitchy - that McLaren news will be enough (never mind that it still doesn't seem clear how Ferrari intend to get half the team and kit out of Italy)
Well it looks like I'll be getting a lie-in on Sunday morning!
If it goes ahead it won’t be classed as a championship round
You have a very short memory.
Well if they have a race with just some teams, then it cant be a championship round. Those that dont race will say they were disadvantaged as they will end up with less practice, ontrack development etc.
So the organisers will have to cancel the whole thing. I can imagine a whole load of pissed-off Aussies.
I think Ross Brawn said it wouldn't be a championship round if all teams couldn't get there....they have all got there, so presumably it could be