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Lewis speaking a lot of sense there! 🙂
Great race - I'm pleased I avoided seeing the results before watching it. Possibly the best race this year? Not a coincidence either - I can remember other good races at that circuit. Particular good points are the amount of space in the first corner and the twisty bits which enable those extended overtakes. How come all of Tilke's other circuits are so rubbish when he can design that? You don't even need rain!
Especially enjoyed seeing the carefully constructed overtakes, like LH on MV where he forced MV to go off line to defend and took advantage a coupld of corners later.
[quote=chrismac ]It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
because Button was well known as a crashaholic? Clearly my memory is a bit rusty, maybe you could remind me...
chrismac » It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
because Button was well known as a crashaholic? Clearly my memory is a bit rusty, maybe you could remind me...
His one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
chrismac - MemberHis one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
The only good move in a boring race TBH. Wehrlein didn't leave-a de space
Hartley staying in for Mexico
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/885863/1/hartley-keeps-toro-rosso-seat-alongside-gasly-for-mexico-gp
Interesting, I guess even though Kvyat did better he’s a known quantity (and on the way out), whilst Hartley is a potential future prospect.
Yep, looks like Franz Tost is very keen to solidify his 2018 line up. Good news for Hartley!
[quote=chrismac ]His one and only race this season resulted in him crashing into some taking them both out of the race
yes, and? His one and only retirement due to a crash last season was ironically enough caused by the same person crashing into him. Meanwhile plenty of other drivers on the grid have caused contact this year (please, please tell me you're a Vettel fan 😈 ) I was assuming from your comment that you think Button caused a significant number of crashes - though clearly it's possible you're either a hater, or just don't follow F1 that closely.
JB didn’t really have a lot to lose at Monaco, he may as well give it a go instead of driving around at the back.
love that this is still rumbling on
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Quite! Hopefully something will be done, I'm all for sausage curbs and grass myself
Sooo, I've been looking at the contract situation and it looks like the usual summer merry-go-round will be particularly interesting next year with Raikkonen, Hamilton, Bottas and Ricciardo all being out of contract for 2019! 🙂
Can't see Hamo going anywhere unless the red car both improves further, and loses its lead driver. Ricky could be in line for Bottas' seat. Perhaps Kimi retires and Ferrari take Bottas as a dependable number two to Seb
Adding to that Alonso, Hulkenberg and Vandoorne are all also scheduled to be released for 2019. Interesting!
Yep, Hamo has said that while he's tempted by Ferrari he has no interest in being partnered with Vettel. I agree about Ricciardo to Mercedes, but it'd be mighty intetesting if he went to Ferrari, considering how comprehensively he beat Vettel in 2014!! 🙂
Another possibility is that Sainz (whose contract with Red Bull/Toro Rosso does not finish until the end of 2019, and is technically on a loan to Renault for 2018) might replace Ricciardo if he leaves..
Oooh, Ricky trouncing the finger pointer once again could be very entertaining. I've been disappointed at just how uninterested Kimi has been when he could have had a real go at winding Seb up.
bamboo - Member
JB didn’t really have a lot to lose at Monaco, he may as well give it a go instead of driving around at the back.
I dont know, he made a pretty good career out of doing just that.
I wonder what Hamilton would think about Riccardo at merc. I think Hamilton would consider him a bit feisty (talented) to fit into the team.
I'm struggling to find out whether Ocon will be available, [url= http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11011665/formula-1-who-is-under-contract-and-until-when ]this[/url] article reckons he will but everything else I've read has said that Force India will only describe it as a 'multi year deal' which, considering he joined for 2017, could be a yes or a no. With Perez Force India have another top level driver, of course, and he doesn't have a contract for 2017 never mind 2018!
I wonder what Hamilton would think about Riccardo at merc. I think Hamilton would consider him a bit feisty (talented) to fit into the team
This is a good point! I'm guessing it may mean we see Ocon or possibly Perez (or even Wehrlein!) there instead. I guess it depends on how much say Hamilton has- I'm thinking it's probably quite a lot!
I dont know, he made a pretty good career out of doing just that
I'm always a little surprised when people have a pop at Button's driving ability considering he matched up so favourably against two all time great drivers as team mates and won a world championship
I'm always a little surprised when people have a pop at Button's driving ability considering he matched up so favourably against two all time great drivers as team mates and won a world championship
Quite. Is he of the Schumacher / Senna level? Probably not. But he was still one hell of a lot better than many of his peers.
I too have no idea of where this notion that he caused lots of accidents came from.
Chrismac have you actually got anything to contribute or would you like me to post up JB's contact details so you can sort your beef directly and spare us the tedium?
[quote=chrismac ]I dont know, he made a pretty good career out of doing just that.
Well apart from 2009, Canada 2011, Hungary 2006, etc.
You really are quite a bitter man - please do tell us who you're a fan of?
Button bashing seems to just be a chrismac thing. Button himself knows he isn't a Senna, but on his day when everything clicked he was unbeatable, even by world class teammates.
Button bashing seems to just be a chrismac thing. Button himself knows he isn't a Senna, but on his day when everything clicked he was unbeatable, even by world class teammates.
Probably worth saying that Button also managed to string enough of those days together to beat Hamilton over a whole season in 2011 and then did the same to Alonso in 2015
NSFW: Have we done the pterodactyl flying over the track yet?
No? Sweet...
Think they had one of those wire suspended cameras with a bird costume on. Was a wtf moment while wAtching tho.
@tomhoward I remember seeing that at the time!! There can be only one explanation:
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Button is a good driver, but like Seb, can't wrestle a bad car to victory. Hamilton can, so can Alonso, so can Ricciardo, So (it appears) might Sainz.
Yeah I'm a bit of a the Sainz fan also. Massively talented and comes across as a really sound guy too...
On the other hand Daffy, in a decent car in dodgy conditions, particularly a drying track with wet bits and dry bits and damp bits, he was superb.
[quote=zokes ]Can't see Hamo going anywhere unless the red car both improves further, and loses its lead driver.
It sounds like he's incredibly happy where he is, and whilst there is the romance and history of Ferrari, I reckon it would also take Mercedes to stop being competitive for him to consider leaving right now. It seems most likely he'll finish his career there now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41717075
The end for Kyvat (in F1 for Red Bull at least)...
the-muffin-man - Member
The end for Kyvat (in F1 for Red Bull at least)...
Feel a bit sad for him, felt like he was promoted before he was ready and though he was reasonably quick, he never got his head in the right place.
None of tr's cast offs seem to get a seat so guess we won't be seeing him again (unless he can gather a sackful of Rubles !)
unsurpriseface
In other news, bear caught shitting in the woods and Pope revealed to have a secret penchant for Catholicism.
I'm tempted to think he's been treated a bit harshly, but ultimately RB are looking for drivers of at least the calibre of Webber* to drive for them, and Kvyat clearly wasn't quite that good. He's probably not the worst driver in F1 though so might pick up a drive somewhere (arguably he might still be better than Gasly and Hartley, but unlike them he's tried and failed to step up).
*not sure if I'm being harsh on Webber, was trying to think of the worst long term RB driver
[quote=retro83 ]None of tr's cast offs seem to get a seat so guess we won't be seeing him again (unless he can gather a sackful of Rubles !)
To be fair, Kvyat is probably a rather better driver than any of the other TR cast offs (who weren't ever good enough to get a try in a RB).
That's the culture at Red Bull/Toro Rosso. They're not afraid to apply pressure within the teams upon drivers and jettison those who would probably do okay in a more supportive environment.
I feel a bit sorry for Kvyat, but he's been a marked man since he was demoted from RB last year.
not sure if I'm being harsh on Webber, was trying to think of the worst long term RB driver
He gave Vettel more than a run for his money so yes, probably a bit harsh to use him as a yardstick of crappiness. But there have only been four RB drivers to do two full seasons so depending on your definition of "long term" you have limited options 😉
RB drivers - 5 I think did one or more seasons.
DC
Vettel
Webber
Ricky
Verstappen
DC just did the set up season as I recall.
aracer - MemberTo be fair, Kvyat is probably a rather better driver than any of the other TR cast offs (who weren't ever good enough to get a try in a RB).
I think he was there or thereabouts with Vergne. Certainly not a stand out talent like Sainz or Verstappen. But anyway I don't think there are many openings left in the lower teams for next year are there?
Verstappen? Hasn't even done one full season at RB yet…
[quote=Bez ]But there have only been four RB drivers to do two full seasons so depending on your definition of "long term" you have limited options
That was kind of my point - those drivers are the calibre they're looking for. Could be an interesting debate to be had about who was the worst - my ranking is:
Ricciardo > Vettel > DC > Webber 😈
DC did 4 seasons with them!