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Looked like a 5 second penalty to Verstappen popped up on screen just as C4 went to the ads. Hope not!
Yeah, Bottas is a disappointment....would love to see Riciardo in that car.
I saw 5 sec for someone...couldn't see who
Looked like a 5 second penalty to Verstappen popped up on screen just as C4 went to the ads. Hope not!
Yep - he's just been booted out the waiting room! 🙂
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Verstappen to drop down to fourth
Breaking news.
Verstappen was third, but wait, just wait. He has just been given a five-second time penalty for cutting the track and gaining an advantage. That will drop him back down to fourth, with Kimi Raikkonen back to third.
He doesn't know it yet and is chatting casually with Sebastian Vettel. Expect an unhappy Dutchman any time soon.
Ferrari international assistance strike again?
Did look like 4 wheels off to be fair
Good call Daffy! Shame though, it was some move
Yep, demoted to 4th.
Boo 🙁
Still, was great to watch 😀
Tragic really, if he'd been just 6 inches to the left, he'd have been on the track and would've still got the overtake done.
I watched it back in slow-mo and knew Ferrari would be straight on it.
Yeah, Bottas is a disappointment....would love to see Riciardo in that car.
Good chance of that happening in 2019!
Yeah good spot Daffy!
Yeah good spot Daffy!
As Coulthard said....it's stupid they accept 4 wheels off in some corners, but not others. The rule should exist or it shouldn't....
They don’t accept it when a driver gains a place from it, that’s why bottas had to give a place back earlier in the race. To DR I think?
Mark Webber lol
Great drive by Max but he deserved the penalty as he took a shortcut. No point listening to the pundits. DC and Webber are on the Red Bull payroll.
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Did look like 4 wheels off to be fair
Yes but how many others were? The whole track limits thing is a farce. They need a kerb in front of tank traps and a moat.
Did those others gain positions by going off the track? I don't know as I didn't see the whole race. If they didn't, and Max did gain a position because of going off the track, then fair enough: I can understand the discrepancy.
The first two are called running wide, the third is called cutting the corner. The first two don't gains/maintain a position by doing so, the third one does.
It's a fair cop, he left the track and gained position, but what caused him the leave the track? Yes he was going to cut the corner, at that angle, he was always going to, but the reason that all four wheels are off is because there was contact between Max and Kimi at T17.
In that case I think the difference in treatment of the various incidents is fairly reasonable.
EJ was talking his usual BS at the end by saying the decision wasn't in the spirit of the occasion etc., which is crap: The simple fact is that Verstappen gained a place by running completely off the track. That has been understandably punished.
The pundits are saying that there were other incidents when positions were gained
Of course the other pundits were saying that. 2 of them are on the RedBull payroll and EJ always talks BS so nothing he says ever counts as sensible.
Chris mac - is this now going to be the point you constantly make now that you can’t moan about Button after each race?
The first two don't gains/maintain a position by doing so
They do if the person doing the overtake overspeeds into the corner to gain the place knowing he can swing wide out of track limits to keep that speed going to hold the place.
Only if someone is close enough to otherwise overtake.
Mika salos instagram has a very different view...
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That makes it look very deliberate, but the perspective is always going to distort it, Kimi did take a wide line, which will exaggerate Max's move.
I'm not sure where I stand on it, on the one hand it feels like punishing the outcome not the crime (a la Sagan in the TdF this year). If you're not allowed all 4 wheels off then you should penalise equally, there's always an advantage, whether great (an overtake) or slight (closing a gap, getting some distance from rivals etc), for me there should be consistency in the penalties. Alternatively, make the kerb more pronounced so it's not a feasible line, or at least not without a massive risk.
Just bring back proper curbs, grass etc. The current situation is a farce, races being won and lost by stewards decisions is a dreadful situation.
Spot on Dragon - that sums it up nicely. If there was grass on the other side of that kerb he wouldn't have been there in the first place and if he was he'd be going straight to the scene of the accident.
The problem is, they have one set of rules for some corners and another set of rules for other corners.
In qualifying, they mentioned that a particular corner was being cut (all 4 wheels over) but this had been deemed to be OK by Charlie Whiting.
There is the argument of did the driver gain an advantage? (i.e. pass someone), but surely any time gained by cutting a corner is an advantage because it makes you potentially faster around the track.
It could be the difference between catching another car towards the end of the race & overtaking, or not getting close enough in the first place. Or, keeping a big enough gap to the car behind that he can't catch you. But they are more intangible advantages than actually getting a pass done.
I agree with the comment above regarding curbs, grass etc.
Stick one of those large 'sausage' kerbs on the inside of the corner, far enough inwards that a small positioning error doesn't get penalised but putting most of your car off the racing line does.
There is the argument of did the driver gain an advantage? (i.e. pass someone), but surely any time gained by cutting a corner is an advantage because it makes you potentially faster around the track.
It could be the difference between catching another car towards the end of the race & overtaking, or not getting close enough in the first place.
That was my point - the penalty is for "gaining an advantage", not for "passing a driver by going off the course". There were certainly fewer instances of the latter, but there were plenty of the former which went unpunished. Hence they're punishing the outcome, not the action.
njee20 - MemberThat was my point
Ah, yes. So, it was.... 🙂
While on the point mr horner expresses the same views as stump01
"It [racing] is what fans want to see," said Horner. "If you don't want cars to go there, put a bigger kerb or put some gravel, or something else there....”
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-f1-needs-new-approach-for-sorting-track-limits-969431/
Brick wall. Focus the mind a little.
Great drive by Sainz. Really impressive to go to a new team and deliver like that.
Great drive by Sainz. Really impressive to go to a new team and deliver like that.
It was! So glad to see another worthy in the Renault team 🙂
bamboo - Member
Chris mac - is this now going to be the point you constantly make now that you can’t moan about Button after each race?
No not really. I just like to point out that the pundits arent as independent as they would like you to believe.
It is much better now Button has disappeared. Far fewer crashes and
Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
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Brick wall. Focus the mind a little.
Yep, they don't cut corners at the street circuits.
Or old circuits, with proper curbs. I'm all for drivers being allowed more free room to make use of curbs etc, but it should be a proper curb (not just paint) and also consistent for everyone across all sessions in the weekend.
Proper track - Italy
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Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
But with that he took the long way around so did they view it differently?
shermer75 - Member
Sainz overtaking Perez, all four wheels off the track, no penalty
I posted that and then deleted it, according to the reddit comments apparently Sainz bailed out and gave the place back.
Here's Lewis' take on it
https://twitter.com/FiftyBuckss/status/922231651710664706