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"I haven't really thought yet about how it will be. I'm just going to race and then we will see how it is going to be defending and how it will affect the racing."
..........hmmmmmm, can't wait! 😀
I think the 2nd car in quali usually goes on to win
It could be the polesitter if he can just get off the line properly.
^ A bit of background to this photo...
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So with Hulkenburg going to Renalt who gets the Force India seat? I'm a bit of a Force India fan- they always punch so so far above their weight!! 🙂
Ricciardo to wipe Rosberg out in the first corner.
Hamilton to sail off into the distance only to loose 7th with four laps to go and give the win to Max.
Button to understeer to 12th.
37 lap duel between Vettel and Raikkonen only for Vettel to suffer a puncture at the death.
Was going to say top 10 for Palmer but I'm not sure.
Non stop overtaking throughout the field, race of the season.
nice prediction.. I expect Rosberg and Hamilton to come together with Rosberg trying to push Hamilton off the track. Mad Max ignoring the new clarification and dishing it out to Vettel and Kimi.
Danny Ric to win and do another shoey. Hulk to mqke a podium before he leaves!
I read that Nasr is in the frame for Force india due to his cash and endorsement from Bernie. Arent seats still open at Manor and Haas?
Oh Sergio! If you're going to put flats on a road bike at least be hip and ride a singlespeed.
You won't see Fernando doing that.
Max to get a penalty when he forgets about the Verstappen rule.
Rosberg is well overdue some bad luck.
Highlights on a bit late....(time difference, I know)...
Been up since 5 and probably will be tomorrow morning, so will have to grab the highlights tomorrow after work.
Chances of me avoiding the result before I get to watch it...?
Probably zero....
Highlights on a bit late....(time difference, I know)...
Can't help thinking that Ch4 have done a disservice in not getting this as a live one.
Bit of a blooper from Max there, me thinks.
EDIT: Doesn't really matter for him now.
Rosbergs lucked out again with that VSC
Chances of me avoiding the result before I get to watch it...?
Probably zero....
Put the radio on!
Rosbergs lucked out again with that VSC
It's the old "Rosberg can't win a straight fight" thing again.
EDIT: having said that, Red Bull could've taken the 'free' pit too.
He can win a straight fight though, he's just ridiculously lucky this year.
What did Ricciardo just say? 😀
can't see Maurizio lasting much longer in the job.
Ross Brawn to Ferrari again?
Ross Brawn to McLaren. Hostile takeover with Martin Whitmarsh is the rumour
[quote=Pook ]EDIT: having said that, Red Bull could've taken the 'free' pit too.
How would that have helped? Ricciardo had already pitted for tyres, so was already behind NR.
Alonso soon changed his tune!
What did Ricciardo just say?
On his inlap Ricciardos engineer said to him that the commentators are trying to work out what the beep meant (describing Rosberg over the radio). Ricciardo said it meant 'he's a really nice person, one of my best mates' haha.
Ricciardo had already pitted for tyres
true. missed that.
Bllx the whiney one is still in the race
So Lewis on pole and looking settled on the track, despite the times from fp2 and 3. Nico looking out of sorts all weekend but cobbled together a lap just in time. Max and Dan ric poised on 2nd row, with better starts all year but there's a nice long straight just off the line so great chance for someone to get a tow and jump the leader. Could be entertaining, especially if the redbull boys get track position as it's looking like a 1 stopper so tyre strategy will be limited.
Agree that the Red Bulls are looking closer and closer to Mercedes all the time- nice to see that gap come down! Could be an interesting one. It's Max on the supersofts this time, right?
Nico's looking vulnerable, always is when it's a low grip scenario. If the Red Bulls can get between the Mercs then it'll be good. Hamilton should have the speed to get past them and pull away, even with a bad start. Rosberg is slow through the stadium so hopefully that'll mean that the Red Bulls can hook onto the back of him and use the DRS to line up for the first corner if they can.
If the possible rain arrives it will get very interesting!
Safety car saves the stewards from having to work out the penalty on Hamilton.
Bit bored now 🙁
Superb racing from Vettel and Ricciardo, Vestappen doing what he's paid to do. Where did Vettel learn his English?
Awesome
Vettel lost the plot now
He likes waving the finger, doesn't he?
Interesting comments about bringing the game into disrepute.
EDIT: Fight! Fight! Fight!
So the Red Bulls livened that up a bit 😀
Pity Verstappen got a 5 sec penalty though, FIA to the rescue again?
Pity Verstappen got a 5 sec penalty though, FIA to the rescue again?
He got a 5 sec advantage by driving over the grass, seems fair to me.
Why didn't lewis get a 5 sec penalty?
Probably because the safety car came out an annulled any advantage before the stewards could do their work.
they are more lenient at the start - though i missed the start so have no idea what happened
Commentators said this no idea whether policy or practice or for that matter true or false
Well that final few laps for 3rd was pretty good. Pathetic of Vetted to moan about being backed up, perfectly legit tactic in my book. Result should have stood Imo that's racing, the penalties for everything are ruining things.
And what Junkyard says.
Pathetic of Vetted to moan about being backed up, perfectly legit tactic in my book.
He illegally passed him then did this. I think most folk would be a little peeved by the ungentlemanly conduct if not you
Result should have stood Imo that's racing
Its strava race line cutting that does not involve navigating the actual track to get ahead.
not as much as allowing drivers to cheat would - though in this case it was probably just over zealousness coupled with immaturity[ or possibly ruthlessness] once out in front., the penalties for everything are ruining things.
Sorry, if you don't think that was a legit penalty? I bet he was burning red with embarrassment in that room. Good, little toe rag has been taken down a few pegs 😆
Ufff! Some heavy stuff from finger boy over the radio.
A sign of Bernie taking his foot off the power pedal before handover, just to show how awesome he is.
Except Vettel was behind him and wasn't even level when the lock up happened. There was no overtake by Vettel.
And as for backing him up well that was a sensible tactic with his team mate bearing down on the Ferrari.
Less happy that there has been a lot of politics and spin on the activities on the track. Much as I think Herbert is a twerp, I agree that we should let the guys race. Vettels needs to curb his language, but let them race.
MaxV's team advised him to give the place up. They knew.
What we were deprived of was Max maybe letting DannyR through too to have a good clean scrap between SebV and DannyR in the last couple of laps.
That would have been good. Although Ricarrdo's attempted pass and Vettel giving him just enough room not to crash even after Ricarrdo had locked up - superb.
because he cut the corner thereby staying ahead had the corners been the other way he would have been overtaken hence he gained an [unfair] advantage going off track and was rightly penalised for this.Except Vettel was behind him and wasn't even level when the lock up happened. There was no overtake by Vettel.
after that he was just a bit shitty and ungentlemanly as his team informed him to give up the place and it ended up costing him another place as well as being kicked of a podium he should never have been on
Vettel has got a 10 second penalty for his driving when Ricciardo went to overtake.
That surprises me.
It looked like, Verstappen went outside so Vettel went inside, which seemed reasonable, and Ricardo made a long distance attempt on the inside that was never going to work.
It also seems a bit off that Verstappen having committed the offence that demoted him, then backed Vettel up. A clear advantage to the team from Verstappen's misdemeanour.
Wonder if the real offence was annoying Charlie?
Disappointed to wake up and discover vettel hasn't been given a race ban yet. Name calling and telling the race director to f@#$ off is unsportsmanlike. Would be on a warning or dismissal with many employers I would imagine.
Wonder if the real offence was annoying Charlie?
Nail on the head! 😆 the body language in the post race room said it all "Enjoy it while you can sonny, it ain't gonna last!"
Vettel was one of the drivers who helped bring in the 'Verstappen rule' so him pulling a Verstappen on Ricciardo could not go unpunished.
Totally agree with the need for gravel traps in F1 and motogp.
vettel hasn't been given a race ban yet
Yet. There's still some action to be taken against the German. The penalty was only for clattering Ricciardo.
Why did Hamilton not get a penalty for his first lap missing of two corners?
He only gained a time gap rather than track position and that gap was negated by the safety car moments later. All of the first three had issues on that corner so it would have been hard to work out. The safety car was a lucky break for the officials
Don't matter tho does it. If he hadn't done that but had cut back to the track earlier he would have been passed - and exceeding track limits gets you a penalty normally
Not if you haven't gained an advantage from the act. What part of this are you struggling with? This or Lewis's awesomeness? 😉
Why did Hamilton not get a penalty for his first lap missing of two corners?
That's been answered, but we can do it again if you want. The stewards tend to be more lenient in the first couple of laps and any advantage would have been wiped out by the virtual safety car. So no point penalising him.
Rosberg was also pushed off the track and no penalty.
Verstappen was in a podium place and fighting at the finish.
Slightly different scenarios imo.
Hamilton missed two corners and went outside the marker for track limits. clear breach of the rules and clearly gained an advantage by doing so. Later on in the race we saw someone else ( forget who) make the same mistake but came back onto the track in the right place and lost a place as a result. No doubt at all Hamiltion gained an advantage by cutting not one but two corners
Are you deliberately ignoring the part where the safety car effectively did the officials job for them?
I think Lewis got lucky with that move, as to be fair if there had been a fence or gravel trap he wouldn't have got away with it. But hey, he's been doing this for a long time now and knew he'd probably get away with it, so alls fair. Otherwise he'd have made a better attempt at braking and defending his lead.
Regardless of the ins and outs of it all, can't help but laugh at Vettel getting done for doing a Max, and Verstappens comment along the lines of 'at least I can do it properly'.
Hmm, I can't see anything wrong with Vettel's defence against Ricciardo to be honest. I think they gave him a slap for his comments - and I expect further sanctions there, though most likely a fine.
Slowoldman - I think if you look at Vettel and Ricardo only then maybe there's an issue, but Vettel has to be allowed to avoid Verstappen who has gone to the outside so it seems fair if agree.
Hamilton missed two corners and went outside the marker for track limits. clear breach of the rules and clearly gained an advantage by doing so. Later on in the race we saw someone else ( forget who) make the same mistake but came back onto the track in the right place and lost a place as a result. No doubt at all Hamiltion gained an advantage by cutting not one but two corners
You're clearly right and the highly experienced stewards under the spotlight of arm chair fans are wrong. Happy?
[url= http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/revealed-why-hamilton-escaped-mexican-gp-turn-1-sanction-845383/ ]
[/url]F1 race director Charlie Whiting and the race stewards were comfortable that Hamilton had not gained a ‘lasting advantage’ from the incident.Indeed, the fact that Hamilton backed off, as was proven by telemetry readings that they saw, meant there was no doubt the Briton did not deserve a punishment.
In Verstappen’s case, the stewards decided that the Dutchman had only been able to retain his position by driving across the grass and rejoining the track – which is why he was given the five-second penalty that cost him a podium.
If Hamilton got a reprimand for reversing 2 foot in the pit lane because he wasn't told where to stop I'm amazed there's been nothing further done about finga boys potty mouthed outbursts.
In this age of technology perhaps they could implement a system where if they exceed track limits by a full car width they automatically lose electrical charge stored? That way they can make their own decisions and they would then deal their own punishments, ultimately it might become part of tactics, but I would imagine it would restrict over zealous, over ambitious moves. Obviously there would have to be consideration made for how another car might be influencing the situation ...... another can of worms?
So lap one of the race take the Strava line through the first corner and ignore any track limits.
Could do something crazy like make the surface off track something they don't want to drive across
Grease
Or proper old school gravel traps. You know, the ones that caused cars to roll now and then.
For all those slating Vettel as a sore loser etc. How about next time Ferrari find one of their drivers out of contention for points, say a puncture or mechanical problem. They sort the problem out and send the driver back out and allow him to cause all manner of problems for other teams cars. Say a snide impact with a red bull vying for 1st. Say slowing down the red bull driver enough that the other Ferrari can catch him.
Complete can of worms would be opened if they didn't penalise the red bull. Verstappen should be left alone with vettel to sort their differences. He looked like a sneaky little turd while they waited for the podium. Wasn't me, blah blah blah. Told Vettel was on his way and skulked off.
Its not just the implications of the action. Its the implications of the motivations behind the action. It was sneaky
So lap one of the race take the Strava line through the first corner and ignore any track limits.
Then slow down to make sure you don't get a lasting advantage from taking the strava line. Like it says up there ^
Then slow down to make sure you don't get a lasting advantage from taking the strava line. Like it says up there ^
The advantage wasn't the resulting gap, it was not having to actually defend turn one.
So how come the stewards can come to a conclusion on Verstappen but Vettel's comes out later, allowing Ferrari to take all the podium publicity? If there is a doubt about a podium placing surely the ceremony should be delayed. Shambles.
Well Bernie wants to bring back walls to stop these antics.
TheLittlestHobo in your example the 2nd Ferrari wouldn't be fighting for position and hence, told to move over. Mind it has happened before where back markers have held up faster cars or Renaults have hit walls 😆 Common sense to use a few 'dark arts' when even 1 second can make a difference to the outcome. Just don't get caught.
I'm just looking forward to Brazil.
A bit of rain should spice things up nicely!
But "team tactics" are allowed again now aren't they? Was it only me who thought of Massa's days at Ferrari when he let Bottas go and them held up Perez?
I bet the other drivers are thinking about getting together and organising a "Let's Bait Seb" approach to racing whenever he's nearby...
First one to get him to swear on the radio gets an extra point. 😀
Just maybe this will turn it all around!?
[url= http://www.crash.net/f1/news/234933/1/brawn-lined-up-to-succeed-ecclestone-as-f1-chief.html ]Ross Brawn to succeed Bernie[/url]
Ooh I like the sound of that.
[url= http://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/audi-has-ditched-le-mans-and-wec-formula-e ]Audi has ditched Le Mans and the WEC for Formula E[/url]
I missed this, not F1 but very interesting. I really hope Formula E takes off as F1 is getting a bit of a bore, unless Ross Brawn can turn it around.
Lance $troll confirmed for Williams, and Bottas to stay as well...
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-announces-bottas-and-stroll-as-2017-line-up-846271/