Blessed are the fridge makers
It really weird, theres load of arbirtary rules they decide to adhere to, based on flexible intepretation of some old school rules, but then have lots of complex work arounds to not have to conform to them.
Have you considered becoming Jewish? You'd fit right in.
It really weird, theres load of arbirtary rules they decide to adhere to, based on flexible intepretation of some old school rules, but then have lots of complex work arounds to not have to conform to them.
All these rules are clearly just picked out of a hat with no basis, logic or anything. <rolleyes emoji>
I can understand not liking/understanding religion. I can't understand people ridiculing every aspect of it because from that base position. "Religion is nonsense, therefore rule X within that religion is nonsense" is not logical. To understand something within a religion, you have to take it in context.
I'm not very good at explaining what I mean... basically, if you want to say "I think this rule is nonsense because I think the religion as a whole is nonsense" then go for it. If you say "Religion is nonsense therefore this rule is based on made-up nothingness" then that's just ignorance.
It's maybe like someone who lives on a desert island saying that roundabout rules are made-up pointlessness. They're clearly not, he just has no use for knowing anything at all about cars.
"Don't work" doesn't mean what you think it does
pathetic
Utterly bonkers.
That’s nuts.
Yet mental.
I embrace my insanity.
Just so you know, it’s perfectly fine to be an atheist and not be a dick about it.
there’s another good trick which i can’t remember exactly for making hot drinks. Something about moving the hot water from one type of container to another to another in order to bypass the rule about not cooking things.
There must surely, surely come a point where you think to yourself, "what the actual **** am I doing?" You're devout enough to buy into whatever arbitrary ruleset has been imposed onto you for no good reason that I can fathom beyond something which was possibly relevant centuries ago, but yet not quite devout enough to play within the spirit of those rules rather than looking for ways in which you can cheat the system and get away with it.
An official day for basically tossing it off I can get behind. And that seems to be the reasoning, on the 7th day god rested so you should as well, makes perfect sense. It seems something of a leap though between god telling you not to spend half a day starting fires, and having your fridge on which requires no work whatsoever to maintain the status quo.
Rigidity for a big problem in some organised religions, (some strains of?) Islam suffers from this too. Even Catholicism was forward-thinking enough to recant on the "no meat on Friday" thing so long as you took an alternate self-sacrifice in lieu. It seems from the outside looking in that any change is a tacit acknowledgement that what went before was wrong.
You were reading the instructions?
I think this is the most shocking woke thing I've learnt on this thread.
I can understand not liking/understanding religion. I can’t understand people ridiculing every aspect of it because from that base position. “Religion is nonsense, therefore rule X within that religion is nonsense” is not logical. To understand something within a religion, you have to take it in context.
It's completely logical. If something is founded on nonsense then in and of itself any rule within said nonsensical framework is going to be nonsense. This thread is proof. The mad thought process that's resulted in a fridge having a Sabbath mode is proof of that. The context is ridiculous to start with. Its a ****ing fridge!
Each to their own though and trying to find loopholes in a divine plan could be fun. Is there a head of Sabbath workarounds in the upper echelons of the Jewish faith and do freezer companies consult them? That's the question I now have.
Even Catholicism was forward-thinking enough to recant on the “no meat on Friday” thing so long as you took an alternate self-sacrifice in lieu.
Forward thinking would be telling people they are free to eat what they like, not adding another clause to an unnecessary rule...
It's pointless trying to rationalise rules of religious observance, because their purpose is to give followers of a religion a shared identity and a framework they can follow to demonstrate adherence to their particular creed. They don't have to meet any objective standards of common sense.
In the instructions I came across Sabbath Mode.
With a forward by Freezer Butler
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The Fridge isn’t woke. It’s just a fridge that has a mode that some people want. No harm done.
I’m far more bothered that my watch has a golf mode. Say some one notices…….
The majority of Manhattan has been declared essentially “inside”, since the building and maintenance an 18 mile loop of wire round 1st-126th st. Another workaround to avoid prohibitions against carrying things.
I've got a new fridge/freezer coming tomorrow, I wasn't planning on reading the instructions but I will now 🙂
Is the fridge a Liebherr? In which case, it's hardly surprising it has this mode. Not sure how it's "woke" though. Lots of applicances has modes which dim the lights and turn off the noise, it's not someting new. I guess if it's "woke" it would be called "ism-mode" or something instead.
I also work with people who go to church - they're everywhere you know! This doesn't mean I understand the ins and outs of their beliefs - but by speaking to these people I have learnt that there are many different types of ways to bother God, so you can always pick a way which suits if you want to.
I ignore this mode on my fridge as if it's melting the contents it won't warn you, which I'd find more annoying that having the light of it on.
Everyone seems somewhat scathing about these "loopholes". It only seems like that if you are looking at it without the understanding of what these restrictions are in the first place (a bit like the meaning of "work").
For example:
The majority of Manhattan has been declared essentially “inside”, since the building and maintenance an 18 mile loop of wire round 1st-126th st. Another workaround to avoid prohibitions against carrying things.
What is carrying? Generally speaking, it means transferring something from one type of property to another. Making a whole area a single type to avoid crossing boundaries is not a loophole, it's part of the law itself and 100% permitted. Incidentally, the complications involved in the specific laws covered in making this area ("eiruv") would blow your mind 😉
Jews aren't forbidden from eating hot food on the sabbath, only cooking, making fire etc, which have very specific meanings. It's important to enjoy the sabbath, part of which means having hot food, coffee, whatever, as long as it's done within the bounds set out (in exhausting detail 😉 ) in the Torah.
Re. the fridge being "woke", think of it this way... if a modern fridge can't be used by religious Jews (or whoever) on the sabbath, they won't buy it. The manufacturer now has a choice:
A) Do nothing. Lose lots of sales.
B) Continue to make old fashioned fridges, which won't sell well at all except possibly to this group.
C) Add a few lines of code to your fridge's software. This will not impact anyone or anything else apart from winding up a few folk on a bike forum somewhere, will stop you losing sales, and will actually probably increase sales as your brand will get a good name amongst this minority group.
They don’t have to meet any objective standards of common sense.
See also "soaking" and "jump humping" from the Mormons.
I like stuff like this, being both nonsensical in 2024 but also quite interesting in the reasoning how these traditions come about.
Try explaining to a tourist to the uk why we're burning an effigy of a man on guy forks night and that it is an annual family tradition.
Same with Father Christmas etc, etc.
I like stuff like this, being both nonsensical in 2024 but also quite interesting in the reasoning how these traditions come about.
Try explaining to a tourist to the uk why we’re burning an effigy of a man on guy forks night and that it is an annual family tradition.
Same with Father Christmas etc, etc.
Eh, they'll understand. What country doesn't have its own weird customs?
Anyway, you lot are in the minority 😉
66% of people consider themselves part of some religion. 48% in the UK alone. In other words, 52% of the UK are not part of a religion, and we all know how well worth listening to the opinion of 52% of the UK is 😀
(Disclaimer: post made mostly in jest. Please for the love of, uh, someone, don't let this thread descend into a religion discussion)
I try to be sympathetic to everyone but it does rather seem that people are missing the point by trying to wriggle out of the rules. I mean, no meat on Fridays - it's a symbolic gesture, I totally get the value of that, but it's not a major hardship really because you can have any number of delicious meals with fish or eggs or just veggie meals - this is fine. But you're still getting the spiritual value of that commitment. But by declaring a city as bing 'inside' you are sticking the letter of the law but not the spirit, which seems to be to be the opposite of the Catholic Friday thing.
it does rather seem that people are missing the point by trying to wriggle out of the rules ... the letter of the law but not the spirit
Further reading here, for those interested.
Needless to say, it's Reddit, take it with a pinch of salt, though some comments (Phi1050ph3r, ldvgvnbtvn, JoshuaZ1...) seemed pretty good on my quick read-through
I try to be sympathetic to everyone but it does rather seem that people are missing the point by trying to wriggle out of the rules.
I wonder what their omnipotent magical sky wizard thinks when he sees them wriggling around the rules??? If she's a bit Old Testamenty she's gonna be well annoyed!
I wonder what their omnipotent magical sky wizard thinks when he sees them wriggling around the rules??? If she’s a bit Old Testamenty she’s gonna be well annoyed!
Magical sky wizard will probably be happy with those not going out of their way to be an arse
Magical sky wizard will probably be happy with those not going out of their way to be an arse
Can you guarantee that? I've heard that these ancient gods are a little more demanding than some of the modern ones.
Also, not being an arse doesn't seem to include nagging neighbours about the house being dark? I guess being an arse to a god and being an arse to a mortal neighbour who can't condemn your immortal soul are two different gambles.
My new microwave had a warning about not microwaving my slippers.
If I'd paid more could I have got one with a Slippers Mode?
It’s important to enjoy the sabbath
And looking for get-out clauses so that you can make a cup of tea guilt-free is fun?
See also “soaking” and “jump humping” from the Mormons.
I know exactly where you've just got that from. 🙂
People Are Arses is one of the great fundamental truths
It's also a Depeche Mode song, isn't it?
And looking for get-out clauses so that you can make a cup of tea guilt-free is fun?
Well, if it was a get-out clause, it wouldn't be guilt free, would it? Makes you think.
(I'm confused. Are you Cougar? One's enough 😉 )
But you’re still getting the spiritual value of that commitment.
Even if you are eating puffin, beaver or alligator?
Surely at some point of rule manipulation its best just to ask god for an updated copy covering modern life and when she doesnt deliver give up on any which dont obviously apply.
Surely at some point of rule manipulation its best just to ask god for an updated copy covering modern life and when she doesnt deliver give up on any which dont obviously apply.
You'd probably get smited (smitten? that doesn't work in this context!) for being a cheeky mortal.
Smote. Not smited or smitten!
Are you Cougar? One’s enough
One's arguably too many, but yes. See the 'issues' sticky.
Even if you are eating puffin, beaver or alligator?
Given the choice I'd probably rule out puffin and alligator.
You’re definitely not allowed to eat your neighbour’s beaver!
I’m well used to accommodating kids with halal diets in my day job, but I went on holiday with a Jewish lad last winter and was in awe of just how restrictive following a kosher diet is, especially as he’s an atheist and is kosher as a family tradition.
You’re definitely not allowed to eat your neighbour’s beaver!
Ah no worries there's a(t least one) religion with a get out clause for that.
Magical sky wizard will probably be happy with those not going out of their way to be an arse
There seems to be a distinct correlation (and I suspect causation) between those overly restrictive religions and "Being an Arse" both in the macro and micro senses.
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Surely at some point of rule manipulation its best just to ask god for an updated copy covering modern life and when she doesnt deliver give up on any which dont obviously apply.
Surely at some point of rule manipulation
I think at this point it's been explained why it's not manipulation and anyone still saying this has not bothered to follow any of my explanations or looked at the links. Or of course, I'm useless at explaining :-p
ask god for an updated copy covering modern life
Exactly missing the point that the original copy is intended to cover every occasion for all time, there is no updated copy needed because the laws DO cover modern life (what you call manipulation or loopholes). I cannot speak for any other religion but with Judaism people often miss the fact that the Old Testament is only half the Torah and it's not always to be taken literally.
give up on any which dont obviously apply
See Reform or Conservative.
I think at this point it’s been explained why it’s not manipulation and anyone still saying this has not bothered to follow any of my explanations or looked at the links
Or perhaps we have and arent convinced by your explanation and the links? Since, frankly, its a rather hard sell.
Exactly missing the point that the original copy is intended to cover every occasion for all time
Which is a problem for the original rules. Why didnt it have something covering LEDs and electricity in general so we know how to respond rather than needing lots of interpretation?
Or perhaps we have and arent convinced
Embracing the diversity of human cultures isn't everyone's thing* I realise, but I accept this.
* It is the fridge's bloody thing, obv.
Excuse my ignorance but is using your freezer against religious law? I’ve worked with church goers and Jehovah’s Witnesses and never heard of this.
Amish may not have freezers in their homes.
This is as they don't have electricity in their houses. However, they may rent freezer space from an "Engish" (non-Amish) neighbour. The lab-tech during my post-doc, in rural Ohio, rented freezers to her neighbours for this reason. Depending on the exact instructions from the church elders they could run electricity to the corner of their land, and you would then see a cluster of sheds around an electrical pole. Very much varied from church to church.
No cars so everything was horse-drawn (but you hire an English driver to drive a minibus, or scrounge a lift to work in the lumber yard etc). The MacDonalds in Millersburg had a horse hitch for this reason.
It was based around keeping the outside world from your home and keeping the family and church together.
I can’t think of anything more bizarre than atheists debating the interpretation of rules that, one way or another, have no impact on their lives and by definition they don’t believe in
I’m exaggerating, i probably can. But it’s an expression
the original copy is intended to cover every occasion for all time, there is no updated copy needed because the laws DO cover modern life
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the Old Testament is... not always to be taken literally.
These two statements would seem to be at odds with each other.
I can’t think of anything more bizarre than atheists debating the interpretation of rules that, one way or another, have no impact on their lives and by definition they don’t believe in
Discussion Bad? Talking about things we don't understand is how we learn things.
Discussion is good. But I’d say the language in many posts here isn’t along the lines of “help me understand” but more along the lines of “ridicule”
I can’t think of anything more bizarre than atheists debating the interpretation of rules that, one way or another, have no impact on their lives and by definition they don’t believe in
How about CofE bishops being able to debate (and legislate) rules that do have an impact on my life, simply because of their affiliation to a regional denomination of a religion following a deity that I don't believe exists. That's pretty bizarre.
