[Closed] Even moderately expensive cars..how do people afford them?

A colleague of mine shelled out for a new Jaaaaaag recently. Within a week it was covered in supermarket style scratches and dents. He was distraught...as I would have been.

I came back to my car after sleeping on Sanna beach at the weekend to find it covered in giant bird crap, a stubbed out cigarette, a container of Finish Line lube which had leaked in the boot, followed by me accidentally smacking it with my forks as I tried to repack things. About 5 miles down the road I ended up railing it along a bush after some numpty decided to take the racing line round a corner.

If I had a new car I think I'd spend my life constantly worried about it! 🙂

I took a hefty car allowance instead of a company car, bought an older car and now have lots of spare cash to [s]waste[/s] spend on bike stuff 🙂

How is it that BWM seem to play the tax/leasing game so well and other companies dont?
A quick look on some sites and you get a 520d touring for the same price as a Mondeo 2.0 estate.

How is it that BWM seem to play the tax/leasing game so well and other companies dont?
A quick look on some sites and you get a 520d touring for the same price as a Mondeo 2.0 estate.

Better resale value

Yeah, I think I'd find it hard to get the full use out of a really nice car- mine is fine, it's mechanically solid and very fit for purpose and all, and comfy and reasonably rapid but it's also old and worn enough that I'm happy to park it in a ditch, or leave it in a ropey area of town, or fill it with mud and bikes, or bounce it up a forest track with a load of trailbuilding kit in the back when we run out of pickups...

Always a balance between owning things and things owning you. But then again I guess if I was properly minted I could do all that in a really nice car and still not care!

I hadn't realised that owning a car, and parking it on the street, causes a low level anxiety, worrying about whether someone had clocked it or not etc. It's only since I scrapped it and went car free did I realise that I was slightly happier for not owning one - one less thing to worry about. OH gets a company car, so I can borrow that if needs be.

I live in a modest semi in a modest part of Bristol. My next door neighbour's son has a one year old Audi TT. Easy to afford when you're still living with your parents, I suppose, though how he insures it, I've no idea.

I completely understand why folks want and buy nice new cars, its all depends what you're into.

Some people get a lot of enjoyment from owning a nice car and I don't necessarily think they are trying to fill some kind of void.

Plenty of folks have a car as their hobby and get loads of fun from just owning and driving it; depreciation doesn't even enter into the equation.

If you really had the hots for a particular car and can afford it; then does it really matter what the depreciation is?

There is no point making do with something else and being too sensible about it. A car is probably the next dearest thing people buy after a house, so you need to love what you're spending all that money on.

I no longer run a car as I only work 7 miles away from work and I can get to the shops and trails without needing a car.

"Nearly new"? A twelve month old motor will be a fraction of the price of a new car. Never understood why anyone would buy a brand new car, they depreciate vertically.

I wouldn't choose to spend money on a car anymore, when I was younger I liked nice cars and was happy to spend my company car allowance on various half decent ones. Now I am older and have two children, two large dogs and commute by bike I have very different priorities so a car is low on my list. How people choose to spend their cash is up to them, leases on nice cars are affordable so I can see why people are tempted. Personally my limit is now 3k and I expect to run a car for up to 3 years and then punt it on for around half what I paid. It's bangernomics but not quite a banger. Works for me but many people wouldn't be seen dead in my car.

For many people there seems to be a link between the car you drive and self esteem which I just don't have.

There is no point making do with something else and being too sensible about it. A car is probably the next dearest thing people buy after a house, so you need to love what you're spending all that money on.

Nah - my bikes are worth much more than my car. Which is, of course, as it should be.

Back when I had a substantial business in Oz, I used to look at the real cost of cars because I used to pay cash for mine - I never liked borrowing money for depreciating consumables.

Buying a new decent quality luxury car was the same as standing in the forecourt of the car dealers and tearing up about $15,000 - $20,000 for 1st year depreciation. As I was in a business where clients tended to judge your merits by external signs (first impressions) it was important not to be in an old wreck or something too basic.

I solved the problem by buying a new Australian car (Fairlane) every couple of years and with the money I had saved by not buying an overpriced import, I used to buy myself a new motorbike as well.

If anything this impressed the impressionable more.

So don't waste your money on luxury cars. Spend the extra on bikes 🙂

A car is used as a display of social status though, so if you need a boost buy a car on tic.

a car is a tool at best, otherwise its an expensive luxury--that gives dubious pleasure, talk about people being sold an illusion.....

a [s]car [/s] bike is a tool at best, otherwise its an expensive luxury--that gives dubious pleasure, talk about people being sold an illusion.....

Different how?

Different how?

Expensive bike = £4k
Expensive car = £40k

Different how?

Well when it comes to car adverts, they all show said machine carving through beautiful, empty alpine roads, when the reality is this...

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In bike adverts, other than the riders generally being less bald and fat, the reality tends to tally a lot closer to the 'image'

wors - Member

How is it that BWM seem to play the tax/leasing game so well and other companies dont?
A quick look on some sites and you get a 520d touring for the same price as a Mondeo 2.0 estate.

[b]Better resale value[/b]

A friend is having to give up driving due to a worsening eyesight problem.
18 months ago he bought a new Lexus that was 60k.
7,000 miles on and the best offer was from Lexus who'd give him 33k.We buy any car 27.5k.
So much for the 50% depreciation over 3 years figures bandied about for high end cars.

I've always wondering this.

I've followed the launch of the new Merc A Class quite closely as I think it looks bad ass and one day I might fancy once (One day = 5 years later)

Now this car is about £23-25k depending on what you have obviously.

£25,000 pounds!!

Who has that just sitting around? I mean, I know i'm only 23 and on a less than average wage (UK wide) but still.

Yet every day I see at least one driving about. Some in the top spec AMG version.

How do people afford all this?!

I guess the answer is the personal finance option.... £5k deposit is realistic and then £300 quid a month. I guess if you have a house already then that's reachable if you've not much else to spend for.

And then give it back after 3 years.

Different how?

Seriously? A bike is a thing of beauty, a sublime combination of cutting-edge tech and human muscle to move you smoothly and almost silently through almost any terrain, powered only by what you had for breakfast.

A car is a tin box used for moving stuff, that spends most of it's life either stuck in a traffic jam, or breaking in expensive ways.

binners - Member
Different how?

Well when it comes to car adverts, they all show said machine carving through beautiful, empty alpine roads, when the reality is this...

I'd say for a lot of people (SE England excluded, perhaps) your image of motoring is the exception, rather than the rule.

Your statement could be easily modified and be equally appropriate...

Well when it comes to [i]mountain bike[/i] adverts, they all show said machine carving through beautiful, empty alpine [i]trails[/i], when the reality is this...

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I'd say for a lot of people (SE England excluded, perhaps) your image of motoring is the exception, rather than the rule.

Purlease. Most people use their cars for commuting, the school run and shopping. They are purely a convenient tool.

I'd say for a lot of people (SE England excluded, perhaps) your image of motoring is the exception, rather than the rule.

Seriously? You're not familiar with the M62 or M60* in the morning then?

* substitute for pretty much any motorway/major road in any major town or city in the country.

All advertising pushes the boundaries of lying, but the yawning chasm between the reality and the image of car adverts is waaaaaaaaaaay beyond any other industry,. With the possible exception of Macdonalds 😉

To the OP, there are so many reasons.
Company car
Lease car
Finance.
Inheritance
All sorts of ways to own something expensive. The biggest reason will be 'want'
Then take a day off and go for a drive in the same place at about 10.30, you'll see less newer cars, far more oldish ones.

Another reason as reported on the news is people taking the pi$$ whilst on interest only motgages.

Personally I'm a cash buyer, don't spend much. Our car is nearly ten years old and just done over 60K. If I had truly free money I'd get a new motor in a blink of an eye. I only ever want a new car when I see other people in nice new shiny ones 🙁

Seriously? A bike is a thing of beauty, a sublime combination of cutting-edge tech and human muscle to move you smoothly and almost silently through almost any terrain, powered only by what you had for breakfast.

Cars are just as amazing machines as bikes. Even more so in fact. A modern car (even a cheap one) is an amazing and fantastic machine.

Far more engineering goes into one than a bike. That's why they cost so much.

Any number of reasons -

Company car
Leasing Hire
They earn a very good wage
They don't spend money on other things that you may consider important and therefore have more to spend on the things they think are important.
Buy second/third hand

I'd love a big car, just can't afford it so I've parked that 'requirement' for now...

When i announced to the car dealer that i was intending to buy my car with cash, he nearly fell off his chair in suprise, and his "perma-smile" slid off his face when he realised that they were just going to get the cost of the car and that's all, not some massively inflated and well hidden total sum payable over the next 5 years!

When most people say "I want a Ferrari" what they really mean is "I want a Ferrari lifestyle". Just having a 458 and taking it to Tesco's is really no different to taking a mondeo (except you can't get much shopping in, and will spend the whole time panicking that it's been scratched/dented/stolen etc!)

As well as all the reasons above. There are also (remember I live in deepest Surrey) plenty of people around here that are still very cash rich. They just buy expensive new cars because they like them and they can. I have no problem with it.

To all of you saying "how do people afford expensive cars" there is probably a forum somewhere of people saying "how do people afford £1K on a bike". It's all relative.

£25,000 pounds!!

Who has that just sitting around? I mean, I know i'm only 23 and on a less than average wage (UK wide) but still.

I work with a guy, mid twenties, no wife, kids, car, rents his flat. doesn't go out drinking, just plays xbox and watches American TV. he earns around 28k a year

He has > 30k in the bank.

^ Warton, he sounds like a fun chap.. and much like a mate of mine who is approaching 40!

rootes, he's actually a good lad to speak to, can have a laugh with him, but I know what you mean 🙂

My neighbour has a Rangerover Evoque with a private plate.

I earn a good wage and drive an 06 Passat estate. She works evening shifts in a local pub.

I don't get it either.

I think the house v car v bike v whatever thing is interesting as it's comparing different scales of cash and people choose to split their money differently.

A house is always there as a pot of cash that can be sold if necessary so many are quite happy to spend as much on this as they can as they consider it to be as safe as, er, you know.

A car depreciates significantly no matter how much it's been used so there is a fairly easy cost to be calculated based on depreciation and running costs.

Bikes depreciate in a similar way to cars but the absolute amount isn't so dramatic.

So where to put your money? A £10k car will do most of what you want - indeed all of what most need. If this is used to buy a 3 yr old car then it'll depreciate less than a new £10k car but is likely to need more maintenance and potentially break down.

Might be interesting to compare % split on houses/cars/bikes owned, I'm house heavy I suppose - 98% in fact!

Feel kinda sorry for people in brand new cars - particularly common base spec, Euro-box, dull as dishwater stuff like Vauxhalls, Audi's, Peugeots, VW's etc, or stuff that's actually a pretty dull car but has a supposed prestige price tag/badge like an Infiniti or similar. If they'd have bought second hand then for far far less money then they could be driving round in something pretty damn special.

If you compare it to partners then what would you choose? A pig ugly virgin who's no fun in the sack, or a good looking model with a tongue like an electric eel who happens to have had a couple of previous?

I guess if you don't like driving/cars/women/men/sex then the above won't matter to you I guess - but perhaps it's food for thought none the less?

People say they buy new cars because they don't want any unexpected bills - but what's more unexpected than a £30k loss come trade in time as per the guy with the Lexus above? Cars are more reliable than they ever have been and a few components wearing out and needing replacement on a second hand car is small change compared to the hidden depreciation shocker, particularly as an out of warranty car can be serviced at an independent specialist at 1/2 the main dealer prices.

Anyway people, please keep buying expensive new cars, and I'll keep buying them off you with a few thousand miles on the clock and full main dealer service history for 1/3 the price you paid in 5-6 years time.

agent007 - Member

what's more unexpected than a £30k loss come trade in time as per the guy with the Lexus above?

That's pretty much a perfect example of "expected" tbh.

agent007 - Member

what's more unexpected than a £30k loss come trade in time as per the guy with the Lexus above?

That's pretty much a perfect example of "expected" tbh.

He certainly didn't sound like he expected that? Still, perhaps he should have realised and yes, entirely foreseeable.

ransos - Member

I'd say for a lot of people (SE England excluded, perhaps) your image of motoring is the exception, rather than the rule.

Purlease. Most people use their cars for commuting, the school run and shopping. They are purely a convenient tool.

Eh? When I said 'your image' (referring to Binners' motorway jam pic)in the bit you quoted, I literally meant the picture used. Nothing more.
I have no doubt that most people use their car for commuting, dropping the kids off and doing the weekly shop. But do most people spend most of their time sat in traffic on a motorway going nowhere? I'm not so sure.
I commute 22k miles/year which has gone down from 32k miles per year in my previous job. There was the odd traffic jam when there had been some kind of accident and there are always slow bits where the traffic backs up. But, I can't think of the last time I was sat in a proper traffic jam going nowhere fast.
There's still plenty of nice driving to be had in most parts of the country.

And is it really that surprising for car advertisers to show their cars being used in an 'optimum' state, rather than stuck in a traffic jam. Surely people don't take the adverts literally? Or do people really think that Corsa's are driven by little furry characters shouting 'come on', that Nissan 4x4s can leap buildings and that other cars (brand I have forgotten) causes large pots of paint to explode??

Its all personal circumstance isnt it.

We have got 1 £20k car, and till recently had a second Mondeo with 100k on the clock. Thats now gone and been replaced with a brand new Toyota Aygo on PCP. Put £300 deposit (would never ever put more than £500 in to a PCP) and £150 a month for 3 years, we know what the service costs will be etc, and will just get rid before MOT's etc.
Next car will either be a Porsche or some form of sports car (second hand) to avoid huge depreciation.

It amazes me how much people are willing to spend on push bikes.

Had a company car via car ownership scheme. Given the pricing, it was easy to see which cars lost money - Renaults 😯 . So as others have said, most people don't buy cars, they fund depreciation and promise to give it back in a reasonable condition. Cars that lose money slowest are therefore more affordable (relatively speaking).

Three years ago, I finally moved closer to work, and commuted by bike again. Had to fund the car for another two years, but it has been gone 13 months now. The car allowance pays for our aged Honda CRV, and I buy bike stuff instead.

The fact that I rode in today on a bike that cost the same as a decent car, is incidental, and I guess only a bike affcionado would notice the "status" it gives me 😉

Mate of mine still recons the best thing about ever owning* a porsche 911 is being able to say "because I felt like a c**t driving it" to any wannabbees that ask him why he got rid 😀

*Paid for from a nice % of a £1m plus sales deal at the time

amplebrew - Member
I completely understand why folks want and buy nice new cars, its all depends what you're into.

Some people get a lot of enjoyment from owning a nice car and I don't necessarily think they are trying to fill some kind of void.

Plenty of folks have a car as their hobby and get loads of fun from just owning and driving it; depreciation doesn't even enter into the equation.

If you really had the hots for a particular car and can afford it; then does it really matter what the depreciation is?

There is no point making do with something else and being too sensible about it. A car is probably the next dearest thing people buy after a house, so you need to love what you're spending all that money on.

I no longer run a car as I only work 7 miles away from work and I can get to the shops and trails without needing a car.

Agree.

I used to be quite into cars, but since moving to London I can't even entertain the idea of car ownership, and if I did it would be a sub £1k banger. Having said that if I was on £50k a year I might look at this differently.

I commute 22k miles/year which has gone down from 32k miles per year in my previous job. There was the odd traffic jam when there had been some kind of accident and there are always slow bits where the traffic backs up. But, I can't think of the last time I was sat in a proper traffic jam going nowhere fast.
There's still plenty of nice driving to be had in most parts of the country.

You must tell us where these wonderful empty roads are. So I can cycle on them.

You must tell us where these wonderful empty roads are. So I can cycle on them.

What I don't get is really how can people afford to run these cars, with the price of petrol the thought of having a Range Rover drinking all that would make me sell it.

I have asked myself the same question many times as I also earn a fair bit over the nation average yet don't feel that I could afford a new expensive car.

The question was partly answered when I re-mortgaged with FirstDirect and had a phone application where the very nice lady went over my bank acct during the process.
She was amazed that I had no bank loan, no car, loan, no lease, PCP, no maintenance, no credit card bill etc. It seems we are in a very small minority in saving up for things before we buy them (house excluded of course)

We save money every month and have a enough to live on for quite a while should something unfortunate happen - very very few people are in this situation and live month to month. If I took most of our savings and didn't overpay the mortgage (even better switch it to I/O) then I could pay for a very expensive car.