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its certainly not the opinion of the person who defended him on both counts..obvious is obvious and so so shit these days.
[i]ninfan wrote:[/i]
I suppose that we can’t trust the political opinions of the men who brought us Black Wednesday and the Iraq invasion, then who can we trust?
The Economists for Free Trade adviser who tweeted that Sun article maybe? I mean clearly an adviser to a group of economists is the sort of man you can trust - especially one who knows that we pay import duty on the retail price of things and that a £2 pack of butter would only cost £1 if you removed the 50% import duty.
You seem to have forgotten to comment on my earlier question about that...
The technology could work
Perhaps. But even if it’s technically feasible, how the remnants of the IRA react to it is anyone’s guess
Actually, whilst on the subject of the adviser to the Economists for Free Trade:
[i]kimbers wrote:[/i]
So Mogg tweeted an apology for lying about Corbs on C4 news
I'm sure ninfan would agree with me that we should be precise about these things. If you read the wording of his tweet carefully you'll note the way he makes use of the word "sorry". Jacob being a man who is very careful with his wording, I also note that to lie requires you to know that what you are saying is incorrect - as always seems to be the case, poor Jacob was simply ill informed about things that somebody in his position couldn't possibly be expected to know the facts about.
So I'm afraid you're completely wrong there.
Indeed - it was the Anglo-Irish agreement that Jezza voted against, not the GFA
actually, this raises an excellent idea - how about we send Jeremy over to calm the waters regards the NI border? I mean, he successfully brought both sides to the table and negotiated a peace treaty once, maybe he’s the ideal person to do it again?
for those of us who dont do twitter [ or me anyway] can you post the tweet you are all commenting on
Moggy's?
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/968534387057942529
(you don't have to "do" twitter to find that - it's all public)
Amazingly this "news" passed my by despite it being "public"
No the "apology" to which you were referring
It was after Mogg was interviewed on C4 news
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/969142151815880704?s=19
Looks like that Ben Bradley Muppet getting threatening legal warnings has put the willies up the Tories & their Corbyn lies
Mogg is a regular bullshitter tho, he relies on his superior social standing to ensure his acolytes don't fact check him.
Black Wednesday, eh?
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Wheeled out every so often to give you headbangers something to fap about while you escape reality for a while.
Kenneth Clarke and Farage both on QT tonight. Should be interesting. Brexit perfectly illustrated
ah right so not even an apology just an admission he was wrong.
A bit like boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, using his ignorance over the Irish issues in defence of his flippant comments.. it's your job to know these things 'mate'.
Apparently if you're an ignoramus, you don't have to apologise.
Ninfan said
Wobble wobble wobble
These Tories are getting worried....
I watch this "discussion" ebb and flow around remain and Brexit however what remains for me (and I think many others) is the absolute distrust of the right wing of the Tory Party.
I an 55 years old, I have witnessed and suffered the worst excesses of Thatcher, I have lived in the North East of England during the miners strike whilst a police state functioned (I have also had the piss taken on here about being hit too many times on the head whilst on a picket line)
The Rees Mogg, Boris, Fox ****wits want to use the working poor of this country as raw material (at best)
Poor people these ****ers despise you, they care more for their dogs.
Brexit is a tool to subjugate the UK masses, to box them into a corner in which they will submit.
There is no amount of fiscal "bollocks" peddled by these people that has any substance for the working poor.
As I have said before this is the greatest "long con" of all time. It's disgusting to watch.
Amazingly this “news” passed my by despite it being “public”
Well, I posted it up about two days ago on this thread 😉
I think I’d find Brexit more palatable if those promoting it didn’t seem so uniformly incompetent at doing anything constructive.
I mean great at telling us what’s wrong with things, great on pomp and ceremony and nationalist dreams - but on clearly thought out constructive ideas. Nope. Not so good.
That includes both their “leaders” and the Brexies on here sadly.
Got to agree with oldmanmtb wholeheartedly.
just look at the people who are fanatical brexiteers - Rees Mogg? Ian Duncan Smith? John Redwood? Bill Cash? Boris Johnson? Nigel Farage?
FFS! The very idea that these people want anything other than a deregulated, tax haven race to the bottom, to line their own pockets and totally * over the working classes is utterly ridiculous.
Just do the most basic research. This is what these people are all about. They’ve spent their entire careers championing the torching of anything that stands in the way of letting unfettered unregulated corporate capitalism rip, and * the consequences to those who end up as’collateral damage’ to their ‘project’
Got it in one, binners
The European parliament has issued an embarrassing snub to Theresa May’s concessions over EU migrants, rejecting the UK’s offer in a move that casts fresh doubt on the prospect of reaching an agreement on the transition period by March...........................Verhofstadt said in a statement that the UK’s position was unacceptable to the parliament, which will have a right to veto any withdrawal agreement.
Todays Grauniad
as well as a story on May trying to unite us all behind her yet to be revealed brexit strategy - My guess she abours on for a few weeks about divergence* whilst the EU says no and then they [ RW foreign owned vested interested aka as the free press] blame the EU. She cannot even unite a cabinet never mind the nation - to be fair no leader could at the minute.
* Like leaving the gym then trying to negotiate what equipment you can still use, for free, as a non member as its in both your interests and then blaming them for you not getting this.
Well, I posted it up about two days ago on this thread
I paid it as much attention as you do your e-mails - smiley goes here
Actually I just missed it
Oh well let's make the most of the last day of this thread . As apparently the ZombieMaygot's speech today will unite the nation and put all our fears to rest.
Tj and THM will be filmed dancing together in Trafalgar Square draped in a big Union Jack.
Tomorrow we will all be back to arguing over handlebar widths.
That's one possibility. Another is that she makes some non-commital noises about red, white and blue Brexit and caring conservatism and we carry on as before. What do you reckon are the odds?
Its going to be interesting as the leaks are all of things that have been rules out by the EU and the EU parliament has ruled out her plan for EU nationals.
I suspect a load of waffle plus a statement of what "we" want which is a position that is unacceptable to the EU.
I think the prime minister will recognise in the speech today that it is not about cherry picking, that we can’t have everything that we might like to have because we are leaving.
What happens if her five tests fail ?
Brexit is cancelled ?
cchris - it would then be time for plan B
They dont even have a plan A never mind a Plan B
It does seem she is going to do a long speech for things she has been told we cannot have.
Thats the flaw Junkyard. Plan A fails you need plan B - or plan nine from outer space
I mean great at telling us what’s wrong with things
Must've missed that. For the most part they misled, distorted and lied. Unless that counts as 'great'. Like winning the TDF by sabotaging other riders' bikes, crossing the line doped, getting caught, and then blaming the TDF for being 'shit'
'Taking The 'Great' Out of Great Britain'
As per binners and oldmanmtb , I see this all around me. Old mining town , nothing to gain from Tories or Brexit but yet people are voting against the working class grain.
It's the most screwed political situation I've seen around here.
Worksop/John Mann who is a brexitter didn't help.
So the Maybot's speech has been trailed as being heavy on detail, so the one thing thats totally certain is that there will be absolutely no detail whatsoever.
I expect we'll just have yet more of vague generalities and her making the right noises to stop Rees Mogg and his band of wreckers going ballistic.
So... blah blah blah.... we are leaving the single market.....blah blah blah.... we are leaving the customs union..... blah blah blah.... we will seek a bespoke trading arrangement .... blah blah blah.... there will be no hard border in northern island.....blah blah blah.... magic unicorns.....
Have I missed anything?
I paid it as much attention as you do your e-mails
Touché 😂
If you want to see where this is headed: the use of phrases such as 'techno-libertarian' and 'post-democratic future'. Bleak stuff. The 'Sovereign Individual' co-penned by Jacob's dad.
Point raised by rone about the working class voting against the grain is only really true about Brexit, a lot of the blame for Brexit (well at least the vote) sits with Blair's time in office, his govt did nothing to fix the structural/industrial wasteland left by Thatchers govt. PFI hospitals and minimum wage really did not address our core industrial vacuum.
Add in free movement, zero hours etc and people are not happy. I believe very few working class people had a view on the possible consequences of Brexit which interestingly are likley to make their world worse regardless of what type of Brexit.
oldmanmtb
Point raised by rone about the working class voting against the grain is only really true about Brexit, a lot of the blame for Brexit (well at least the vote) sits with Blair’s time in office, his govt did nothing to fix the structural/industrial wasteland left by Thatchers govt.
No I think you'll find they are all stupid racists. Or xenophobes, which is a synonym for racist, in other words a nazi. Basically everyone who voted leave was a Nazi. Ignorant, inbred, council estate dole scum leavetards. Shocking amount Nazis in Britain these days. Do you even STW? Are you new here? Anyway you're welcome. I voted remain btw but then I left the UK on account of all the Nazis.
where did you go jimjam?
Oldmanmtb - bang on again. The working classes felt (rightly) that they have being treated with utter contempt by a political Westminster elite that couldn't care less about them, and abandoned them to their fate in a globalised world. Labour put a sticking plaster over the scorched earth policies of Thatcher but did absolutely nothing to rebalance the economy, so the inequality just continued to grow
Throw into the mix the right-wing press, and UKIP with their offer of easy scapegoats (The EU, scroungers and immigrants) to blame, and a Tory party happy to go along with that to detract from who's fault it really is (theirs) and you've got the perfect storm.
The thing is what happens when theres no scapegoats left to blame, and people see who's fault it really is? Add in the true sense of betrayal that will be felt by the working classes who voted for Brexit when they realise the true extent to which they were lied to and conned? That Brexit will be used as a cover to remove what few rights they have, dismantle what remains of the welfare state, privatise the NHS and unleash what will essentially be a low tax corporate playground and a neoliberal fantasy island? What happens then?
Ironically it is the less rabid members of the Tory party who suspect they know exactly whats coming when all this comes home to roost. Once the working class realise they've been played for fools by the same people who delivered the decimation of deindustrialisation in the first place. John Major hinted at it in his speech, and Anna Sourby and Nikki Morgan have repeatedly vocalised it (with little press coverage)
The arrogance of the Brexiteers, dizzy on their 'victory' makes them believe they have a mandate to what the hell they like! To re-make Britain in their own toxic zero-sum image. The saner voices in the party know full well what they're planning, and their dream destination, and know they're playing with fire and we could be on our way back to the civil unrest of the 80's.
Something to look forward to eh?
What will be interesting is to see how different things will be this time around now the Tories no longer have a police force on-side. The Police have now been treated with the same contempt that all other civil servants have always endured under the Tories. So the private militia that Thatcher had at her disposal is long gone.
where did you go jimjam?
I went to the EU. You should smell the air here, it smells like.......freedom.
Actually it smells a bit like slurry as I moved from NI to ROI but there are absolutely no Nazis here, not like over there. In all seriousness though, we had contemplated the move before Brexit but the referendum results just encouraged us to get a move on before house prices might have tanked (we were in a position to make a little money from our house sale, waiting may have negated that). If there's going to be any kind of hard border or increased separation between NI and ROI I'd much rather be in the Republic (despite all the problems) than the North for a number of different reasons.
the working class were hoodwinked into blaming immigrants and the Eu for the policies of the tories they just gave the power to as we exit the EU.
the state of the poor in this country is due to the policies we pursue and zero hours contracts are to do with us having limited employment law not the EU. Anyone working class who thinks things just got better for them are about to be hit in the face by reality and hit pretty damn hard.
Its quite ironic that key leaver areas are the ones hardest hit by leaving and the poor and its much harder for them to weather any financial storm than Boris or Mogg. Nothing got better for them.
reports jimjam for being a traitor - would have done the same were it an option open to me.
I've just had my ex-wife on the phone. She's just been made redundant. The company she works for are shifting all their production to Eastern Europe
I'm sure its nothing at all to do with Brexit
I'd be gone in a shot if I had somewhere to go. ROI would be high on the list.
Is a 'wifr' some sort of northern gimp binners.
I’ve just had my ex-wifr on the phone. She’s just been made redundant. The company she works for are shifting all their production to Eastern Europe
So if we don't let the Eastern Europeans come in and take all our jobs here, they'll just move the jobs to Krakow?
#TakingBackControl