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I am sure it is factor - after all their physical security is under great threat as are their rights. Extraordinaily brave don’t you think??
alternatively they too can simply see through the BS
but amusing how the BBC chose to present the data yesterday.
the stats speak for themselves
Yes net migration is down significantly more people are leaving and less are arriving. Which bit of the stats are you missing?
It's almost like some people deliberately only use part of the data available to them in an attempt to further their own agenda's or justify personal world views...
Whether it's ignorance or they are just too dim to grasp simple concepts who knows...
One thing's for certain tho; they are probably a complete knobend.
#ambiguoussmiley
Are more people coming in or out, mike?
Given the doomsday outlook for the UK and the negative outlook for jobs and rights of EU citizens and the physical threats that remoaners are lying about, it’s amazing that there is any net migration at all
still as an advocate of FoM I am pleased that people are still coming here
Indeed ar you must have seen the news last night too
No. The premises are incorrect.
So so we’re going with unemployed troll, then. Actually, you don’t live in york do you? Only a friend’s husband has a very similar style to you when attempting to argue black is white.
According to the political journos, after yesterday's inner cabinet meeting ,to start the process that should have occurred before we triggered A50, we have a new plan, that asks more questions than it answers… "Ambitious Managed Divergence". All that noise about the GFA this week did have a purpose…
Anyway its all sorted 🙂 your getting
Ambitious Managed Divergence
Gotta love this game they come up with a new buzzword every other day.
the stats speak for themselves
Yes, yes they do. It is a shame you are apparently hard of hearing though. While not as bad as some may make out they certainly aren't a positive endorsement, particularly if you look at their stated reasons for coming .
It’s going to have spawned a whole new decade’s worth of bullshit bingo by the time it’s done.
Constructively ambiguous phrases.
Shaks - do they do an audio version too? Wow. I just looked at the stats. Despite all the catastrophe BS, the UK continues to attract more people with positive net migration from the EU and from outside the EU. That’s a good thing in my mind as is anything that debunks the doomsday scare stories that have become a feature of the debate (sic) since the result.
Managed divergence is pretty accurate - but in reality more like parallel equivalence and managed divergence at the same time
but in reality more like parallel equivalence and managed divergence at the same time
So, unicorns 🦄
So after 20 months of in-fighting, surpressing impact assessments and dithering it took a mere 8 hrs for the cabinet to decide that they'd like a cake & eat it Brexit !
Juncker will be chuckling into his pre-breakfast merlot this morning
Constructively ambiguous phrases.
did you mean
Constructively Relevant Ambiguous Phrases?
I just looked at the stats. Despite all the catastrophe BS, the UK continues to attract more people with positive net migration from the EU and from outside the EU
I assume your reports are slightly less one sided when the real picture is
The number of EU citizens leaving the UK is at its highest level for a decade with 130,000 emigrating in the year to September, figures show.
Now you are free to misrepresent the trend by stating truths that mask the truth but its as convincing as your career trajectory.
Always good to look at core source
”brexit could well be a factor in people’s decisions to move to and from the UK but people’s decision to migrate is complicated and can be influenced by lots of different reasons”
notice the nuance as opposed the hysteria
so we have spikes of migration after 2012 - the clues in the date, and the deviation from LT trends - and now we are returning back to the TOP end of the previous immigration ranges seen since the ONS published data
cue hysteria and hyperbole all wrapped up in a headline - swallow it up!!!!!
the reasons for why they are doing something is a separate issue from whether they are doing it. As a teacher and a report writer for the important surely you would understand this basic point?
My post contained facts and no hysteria and you are free to try and move the goalposts but its no more credible than your earlier misrepresentation.
It would be misleading to not note the greatest drop in EU migration and instead focus on the fact the trend is still for net migration. Thankfully the ONS report was indeed more nuanced than that.
theres are brexit factors in net EU citizens drop in the UK, the biggest is proably the drop in £
but Europe is also recovering (and growing faster than the UK- well not quite italy) & luring them back
Certainly European colleagues that have left have cited Brexit and the lurch to right-wing xenophobia around the ref campaign as a reason, some much more upset about it than others.
Theresa May had an opportunity to halt that lurch but her citizens of knowhere speech seemed deliberately intended to alieanate & divide
Either way Im sure that many Leave voters are pleased that the foreigners are leaving, its what they wanted after all, tehy want theyre Little England back just look at the comments on twitter about the latest immigration figures, the racism isnt even vaguely hidden
So being unable to counter facts with anything you fall back on unpleasant bluster.
You realised this at page 1100?
Then they are fools kimbers - immigration is not only needed it’s a major positive
but exactly - as moaners are all too keen to point out, the EU is now growing strongly and the € is also strong.
Still if the BBC lead the news with distorting analysis , no surprise that moaners follow suit.
given the one sided nature of your analysis of the figures, you are in no position to lambaste anyone, for distortion.
Heal thyself
Kimbers the ONS data plots nicely with the timing of the different business cycles
But amusing to see the statistical abuse being used nonetheless!!!
Kimbers the ONS data plots nicely with the timing of the different business cycles
Correlation does not equal causation. If we’re doing statistical abuse, then you’ve just broken rule 101 there.
Then they are fools kimbers – immigration is not only needed it’s a major positive
Which is why the current government keeps going back to it's 10,000 target, why they took so long to reassure people about their future rights - people will have decided to leave or take up other positions, worked to make sure business knew what was going on so they could plan etc.
None of that happened and the impact is being felt.
I guess I could read your post better and say the government have been fools to mess about with this and underestimate the value immigration brings to the UK.
Individuals leaving can take their positive impact to any one of 27 countries.
It doesn’t zokes, true. Well done
unless of course you care trying to lie about the impact of Brexshit 😏
As a supporter of FoM and encouraging immigration into the Uk, I would agree with your comment about government underestimating the value of immigration. The same goes for HM Oppo
unless of course you care trying to lie about the impact of Brexshit 😏
Show me where I’ve been talking about immigration figures recently
The more you feed him, the greater the waste of time and space in this thread.
You singular??? Why would I be interested in what you singular said?
The more you feed him, the greater the waste of time and space in this thread.
Amen to that. Leave the Mogglodyte alone.
So brexit is not making anybody leave and anyone who leaves is an idiot?
Anyone who claims brexit is the reason for leaving is obviously just using it as an excuse for being an idiot and falling for the hysteria of being told you can't stay or your future is not certain.
In fact it's all awesome and even better than before. It's like Sean Spicer is suddenly back in the game.
Yes - you just keep on abusing stats to “feed” the undemocratic agenda
learning from the leavers - when the facts don’t fit, just make it up...
I did stop feeding him for a while. Sadly, it didn’t stop the waste of space and time. I think he’s autotrophic.
If he’s going to complain about something he’s done in the same post as the complaint, then sure I’ll highlight his foolishness.
No mike
Brexshit is one of several factors but as elsewhere it’s impact is being grossly and deliberately distorted for effect
The idiotic bit is the idea that immigration has not had a positive impact on UK economy. It’s has and will (hopefully) continue to do so.
Hence I am glad that EU immigration remains at the top end of the longer term trend. Even if that facts doesn’t suit the moaning narrative
Long since become a self referential joke. Let him troll himself. Just carry on with the "undemocratic behaviour" (or discussing the state of the political situation as others would call it).
Hurty, you just did exactly the same re: stats. Pathetic. Present your interpretation of the stats as opinion and we might get somewhere. Keep pretending the opinion of a flunked teacher is fact whilst accusing others of lying and yes, you’ll be very counterproductive in any debate.
Well you guys can keep abusing stats and those who prefer facts to your fiction
The rest can look at figure 3 of the ONS release and make their own minds up
it’s very clear
Brexshit is one of several factors but as elsewhere it’s impact is being grossly and deliberately distorted for effect
Taken from a report? A data set? interviews with people leaving the UK? Drop us the link and we can all take a look.
The first bit - already quoted directly from ONS
The second bit - see above (kimbers sensible interpretation excluded)
Ah Fig 3...
Since the vote there has been a trend of higher emigration and reducing immigration, what is that proving again?
teamhurtmore
Hence I am glad that EU immigration remains at the top end of the longer term trend. Even if that facts doesn’t suit the moaning narrative
The number of EU citizens coming to the UK (220,000) decreased by 47,000 over the last year and is now at a level comparable with 2014 ... The number leaving the UK (130,000) is the highest recorded level since 2008. As a result, EU net migration has now returned to the level last seen in 2012.
Ask Zokes mike - he’s the authority on causation
yes kilo - look at the data. We are back to the top end of previous ranges.
Ask yourself why we deviated from then in the first place - we may have mentioned different business cycles before and got away with it
Just looked at it. It shows EU immigration, emigration, and the net result. Nowhere does figure three of the latest ONS release is any inference of causation made.