Forum menu
Just had a horrible thought… what if May&Davies both just intend to carry the can past the April Fool deadline next year… we're out of the EU but with a time limited period agreed where we're still operating inside the SM & CU… and then just fopp off! Leaving us with just a constructively ambiguous outline of what we are replacing membership of the EU with… and an almighty political bun fight inside, and between, political parties about what happens next… legislation allows the government to put a deal off 'till after we've left, with no vote required, in parliament or UK wide…
I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen, but I think calling it intentional is probably giving them too much credit.
TJ you started to answer it for me. Progress - you nailed Canada plus, plus
Tariffs?
ECJ?
shall we put JRM in his box together? You know you want to
Binners - they will fudge it. Inmigration is positive for the UK economy. It will continue.
<div class="bbp-reply-author" style="background-attachment: scroll; background-clip: border-box; background-color: transparent; background-image: none; background-origin: padding-box; background-position-x: 0%; background-position-y: 0%; background-repeat: repeat; background-size: auto; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; color: #444444; display: flex; float: none; font-family: " helvetica neue","helvetica",helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; justify-content: flex-start; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; outline-color: invert; outline-style: none; outline-width: 0px; text-align: center; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; vertical-align: baseline; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; width: 622px; word-spacing: 0px; border-width: 0px 0px 1px 0px; border-color: #444444 #444444 #cccccc #444444; border-style: none none dotted none; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">teamhurtmore
<div>
<div>Subscriber</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
TJ you started to answer it for me. Progress
Where as you have completely failed to back up anything with a source or any kind of actual document. Have a gold star.
</div>
Problem with fudging it is the bit where the Brexit loonies get a vote and stick the boot into the PM. Remind me again how many votes she has to play with?
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;">Inmigration is positive for the UK economy. It will continue.</span>
Considering how immigration seems to have been a factor in at least a substantial minority voting out thats a tad undemocratic dont you think?
I would have thought a fine defender of democracy such as yourself would be taking to the streets to try and ensure that those peoples democratic views should be upheld.
EU membership is good for the UK economy (and broader society). It will continue.
Nah, just get on with it. Hired and Italian and a ****stani in past two months, so covering all bases
a bit of paperwork aggro with the latter but nothing too difficult
'EU membership is good for the UK economy (and broader society). It will continue.'
yep. we were only half in, we'll be only half out. assuming article 50 doesn't get revoked of course...
It's good that us Brits are patient folk…
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-wont-agree-a-brexit-plan-this-week/amp/
Ministers on May’s Cabinet sub-committee on Brexit are set to meet on Wednesday and Thursday to start thrashing out a united position on the final “end state” they want to negotiate with the EU. While this week’s meetings have been portrayed in the press as a make or break moment, those on the inside insist this is not being viewed as “decision week” internally.
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">Theresa May’s Brexit “war cabinet” of senior ministers is to thrash out the thorniest issues for Britain’s future relationship with the EU at a crunch meeting.</span>
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">The prime minister and key cabinet ministers on different sides of the Brexit debate, including the chancellor, Philip Hammond, the home secretary, Amber Rudd, the environment secretary, Michael Gove, and the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, will begin drawing up the government’s position on the “end state” for the UK’s relationship with the EU after the transition period.</span>
from the grauniad
So more proof that THMs postion is utter nonsense. there is no agreed aim / endpoint and there is huge division in cabinet.
"No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" seems worth considering at this point.
My position??? Only yesterday you stated that DD and PH saw eye to eye on Canada plus. You even provided the quote to prove it.
You “Tory”you 😉
The idea that the cabinet could actually reach agreement in a mere 2 days, having not done so over the past year, is beyond risible.
What they might be able to do with their excellent PPE degrees in sophistry from Oxford, is find a choice of words that avoids having to actually reach meaningful agreement while each one pretending they've signed up to whatever they happen to prefer.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: #eeeeee;">a bit of paperwork aggro with the latter but nothing too difficult</span>
Interesting but I am more curious about what you feel about the democratic implications. Since you are such a keen defender of democracy I would have thought any suggestion of fudging around a key issue in the debate would concern you.
here you go THM - a nice explanation of the major and irreconcilable differences in the 11 brexit cabinet members
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/whos-who-in-the-divided-cabinet-brexit-subcommittee</span>
Why you keep on saying I agree with you or that my quotes showing that you are totally wrong vindicate you I don't know. You do know we are all laughing at your detachment from reality don't you?
Hammond and Davies are totally irreconcilable in their views of what is needed. and do not agree on a Canada type deal. Hammond knows and has stated publicly that is damaging. Davies keeps going on about some mythical Canada plus plus plus which includes finacial services which is impossible as yes - you guessed it - the 4 freedoms are indivisible. Don't want free movement of people as Davies has stated is his position then you don't get free movement of capital
Odd that you quoted something very different yesterday? It’s difficuly to follow your changes of mind. You seem even more Tory by the day.
Feel free to laugh instead of learn. Shame given that you started to make some progress yesterday in answering your own question. You teach a man to fish and then he can’t be bothered to cast the line. Tant pis.
Of course what you should be saying is that they both reject existing deals for very good reasons. None of them suit our stated goals.
More "Germany minus minus minus" than "Canada plus plus plus"… not that either term means anything.
There are stated goals?
Oh yeah...
1) Have cake
2) Eat it
go on then THM - what are those stated goals? cos no one but you knows what they are - or are you going to spout meaningless phrases again or state something that is impossible / has been ruled out?
can you two not hurry up and properly throw your toys out of your respective prams?
the constant sniping at each other is beyond boring. 🙄
TJ is trying to nail jelly to a plate…
cos no one but you knows what they are – or are you going to spout meaningless phrases again or state something that is impossible / has been ruled out?
Can we just assume that he doesn't know, and move on?
Del / ransos- OK - I think I have made my point probably 20 times over. 😉
Kelving - thats easy compared to trying to get THM to answer a question or to explain his special knowledge that no one else has.
If you succeed, you can have a go at one of May's rare interviews… the best can't pin her down…
Can we just assume that he doesn’t know, and move on?
To be fair, I think pretty much everyone has accepted this.
I was going to say " empty vessels make the most noise" then in a moment of self realization I thought - "but I am probably the noisiest recently"
Blimey genuine “chapeau” there TJ
only having a giggle at the end of the day 😉
There is a difference in that TJ is admitting that he doesn't have a scooby what the govt position is. Which is hardly surprising as they haven't agreed it yet, beyond meaningless platitudes like
brexit means brexit
best possible brexit
red white and blue brexit
bespoke deal
and the rest of their childish drivel.
Here is the full regional breakdown of the economic impact assessments that MPs have now been able to see
[img] 
:large[/img]
SOURCE:
Traitor! You've shown our hand!
<span style="background-color: #eeeeee; color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">Davies keeps going on about some mythical Canada plus plus plus which includes finacial services which is impossible</span>
This isn't actually true...as Andrew Bailey (FCA) pointed out in his speech a couple of days ago...a chapter on financial services was included in EU TTIP negotiations
How's that going?
Quoting works well in Opera, I see
I find flat earthers’ arguments more convincing than THMs
Is thm building his own rocket?
It's a tough gig fighting the good fight for the poor and impoverished tories. I guess he is doing it for free hence the quality.
London - No Deal: +3.5%
suddenly it all makes sense!!
Bad luck bob
2dogs +1
the fragmentation of EU wholesale finance markets is the last thing the EU needs
Plus both sides are recognising the financial stability implications. Forget punting bitcoin, bet on a deal in financial services - sure fire winner
Forget punting bitcoin, bet on a deal in financial services – sure fire winner
How do you define a deal? Anything more than nothing counts?
In most sectors deals are most likely to be struck on the basis of (regulatory and other) equivalence
we get access, they avoid regulatory (and other) arbitrage. Win: win. Done.
ok as 2D will jump in, it’s a tad more complicated in fun services due to technicalities around different effects of activities covered by MiFid or CRD but thats not for a bike chat
Not as good as now but a mile away from the doomsday scenarios of the scaremongers
So you have no idea what any deal will look like other than it being between 2 wide points
are their "jokes" more convincing too bob?
No pretty clear thanks. And already prepped for the worst and hoping for the best. Last month has seen a swing in +direction
the more diverting noise Barnier makes the better. Very encouraged by his misleading comments in the past week - as amusing as a well crafted times crossword clue. 5 across (8 letters)
Try thinking about what this constant kicking the can down the road means for those outside FS.