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I'm in an extremely privileged position with an income that I can honestly say I feel slightly embarrassed and guilty about

you can always donate some of it to charity then there is no reason for guilt.


 
Posted : 19/12/2017 9:21 pm
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you can always donate some of it to charity then there is no reason for guilt.

Indeed.

However given I have to step over homeless people to get into my office building pretty much every morning, I can't help but think there's a bigger problem 😥


 
Posted : 19/12/2017 9:51 pm
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there are people on this thread smugly suggesting tax [s]evasion[/s] dodging.

Nothing illegal was being suggested. Just something rather shabby.

THM - any point you feel I’m missing feel free to spell out - I promise I won’t take offence - but I know the point I’m making and I find the hypocrisy of the attitude espoused disappointing almost to the point of being offensive.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 8:26 am
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IGM, I suspect now he's worked out that your arguments/reasoning are pretty good, he's just trying to get a rise out of you.

If you'd noticed, he does it to people that he can't browbeat into submission.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 9:31 am
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Bloody ECJ telling us that Uber should be regulated. 🙂

Londoners, please watch out for Brexit supporting cabbies spontaneously combusting today.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 10:19 am
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Bloody ECJ telling us that Uber should be regulated

Yes they say it's a cab firm not an "information society service". No shit Sherlock.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 10:39 am
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IGM. Obviously enjoy our debate and agree on FoM but thought comments on tax went too far. That’s all

UK being upfront with banking services despite Barnier playing hard man with passporting


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 10:55 am
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Londoners, please watch out for Brexit supporting cabbies spontaneously combusting today.

but TFL already have their own action against Uber going on, so your comment means little.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 11:06 am
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THM - fair enough. Tax is something a lot of people hold opinions on. Some of them quite deeply.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 11:43 am
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UK being upfront with banking services despite Barnier playing hard man with passporting

meh, its just another concession from the May

so thats the schedule, the 3 conditions & now giving EU banks what they wanted

theres a few days left in 2017 for the government to fold on something else!

and what awaits in 2018!


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 11:59 am
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theres a few days left in 2017 for the government to fold on something else!

Don't forget she needs to sell this to the baying masses of her own party


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 12:03 pm
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2018? Obvious - down to the nitty gritty of trade. From that we can determine everything else.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 12:27 pm
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IGM - understood (but IMO Mefty was stil correct)


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 12:31 pm
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THM - not entirely sure I disagreed with him. He picked one salient fact (which I agree with), and I just put that in context.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 12:51 pm
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Brexit could delayed until after March 2019, Theresa May has conceded – but insisted it would only be “in exceptional circumstances for the shortest possible time”. The Prime Minister came under pressure in the Commons after her climbdown over putting the exact date and time of departure in domestic law.

[url=http://] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-delayed-theresa-may-exceptional-circumstance-eu-withdrawal-bill-transition-latest-updates-a8120226.html [/url]


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 2:45 pm
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Everyone should read this:
[url= http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/12/20/brexit-all-that-s-left-for-may-to-get-through-is-the-unyield ]reality[/url]


The Brexit Cabinet committee and full Cabinet meeting on Monday and yesterday, respectively, persisted in the delusion that we could indeed agree a bespoke deal somewhere between Norway and Canada - the so-called 'Canada plus-plus-plus'....... The only thing the government will find between Norway and Canada is the wreck of the Titanic.


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 3:41 pm
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Nah don’t like reality. It’ll be fine 🙂


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 5:10 pm
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Didn’t Davis say he’d resign if Green went?


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 11:06 pm
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Didn’t Davis say he’d resign if Green went?

I think it was "if he's sacked" (to paraphrase). And of course, he wasn't sacked, he was "asked to resign", which given what Davis has got away with recently, is more than enough ambiguity for him to continue to embarrass the UK in Brussels. 🙂


 
Posted : 20/12/2017 11:09 pm
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She can't sack anyone, she's running a minority government.

She's basically shafted.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 12:23 am
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Deadly - paraphrasing “asked to resign” gives you “sacked” but I suspect you are correct.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 7:51 am
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Should there be a second Referendum on the final deal

No - 319
Yes - 23

Go Vince 😀

Corbyn whipped Labour to abstain from Chris Leslie’s amendment saying we must remain in the Customs Union thus guaranteeing its defeat

http://brexitcentral.com/23-mps-voted-second-referendum/

Interesting Research from Open Europe on Leavers attitudes to Immigration - full 45 page report linked in article

http://brexitcentral.com/brexit-not-drawbridge-opportunity-immigration-concerns/

[b]Beyond the Westminster Bubble[/b]

http://openeurope.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Open-Europe_Immigration-Public-Opinion_211217.pdf


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 9:13 am
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She can't sack anyone, she's running a minority government.

He can still vote.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 9:23 am
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she can't sack him as an MP, only from his role as Chief Master Brexit Tactician and Negotiator.

Trade descriptions act may also apply.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 9:30 am
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Third referendum was almost impossible anyway Jamba.
The vote changes nothing.

The report is interesting. Particularly the bit that says if cutting immigration hurts jobs or the economy its a bad idea.

Meanwhile away from the Westminster Brexy bubble there is a continued and growing majority in the country for remaining in the EU.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 9:36 am
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Nah don’t like reality. It’ll be fine

Sure will!

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Posted : 21/12/2017 9:52 am
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Interesting Research from Open Europe on Leavers attitudes to Immigration - full 45 page report linked in article

I think last night's League of Gentlemen managed to summarise it much more succinctly

This is a local country for local people

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Posted : 21/12/2017 9:55 am
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-425000-donation-brexit-owen-smith-chloe-smith-a8118966.html?utm_content=bufferc4228&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

So, I guess we're not going to find out where the £425,000 donation to the DUP came from.

I'm thinking about getting my tin-foil hat out of the cupboard.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 10:47 am
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In Russia, tin foil hat is aerial for thought control.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 10:52 am
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So, I guess we're not going to find out where the £425,000 donation to the DUP came from.

Hmm I just think that we created an environment for mischief with Brexit and it was cheap and easy to give it momementum.

Look at how many millions trump wasted on bombing an empty airfield and how little it’s took to split us from eu and tie up the government in some pointless exercise.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 11:10 am
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Fisheries sectorial analysis, paragraph 36.

It must be made up.


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 3:15 pm
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This is a local country for local people

😆

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Posted : 21/12/2017 3:31 pm
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I remember someone on here telling me civil servants were queuing up to join Davis’s department.
At the time my contacts were telling me a different story.

In the admittedly anti-Davis Independent today...

In total, there are 143 empty jobs, almost one in four of the posts at the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU), with economist, finance and project management jobs - as well as 81 policy roles - unfilled.
It comes after separate figures showed that the department is suffering from a high turnover of staff, with almost one in 10 moving on every three months - a turnover rate normally seen every 12 months in normally functioning Whitehall departments.
An astonishing 44 per cent of DExEU employees plan to leave within the next year, a civil service survey found, suggesting the recruitment crisis is set to worsen.

Well what do you know!


 
Posted : 21/12/2017 11:41 pm
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At the time my contacts were telling me a different story.

I remember echoing that. I know someone happy to be reporting directly to BoJo… in other circumstances that wouldn't be ideal… but anything is better than working in either of the new departments… better to stick with the FCO, no matter who is doing the [s]stirring[/s] figure-heading


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 12:20 am
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Who of sound thinking would apply to work as an administrator in the brexit team, it's not really something you'd want on your CV lol!


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 12:51 am
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Who of sound thinking would apply to work as an administrator in the brexit team, it's not really something you'd want on your CV lol!

Unless you want your next job to be in Poland...


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 1:26 am
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I know one person who did move to DExEU - hefty promotion involved.


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 7:59 am
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So the passport is going to be blue again.
BLUE. Same colour as the ****ing eu flag. ****s . Bobby Moore didn’t die on a bombing raid over Dresden in his spitfire so that the proud warriors of this nation have to be shackled to the yoke of eu oppression every time we have to leave our fair isle.
Time for the British Bullmogg to get the tanks on the street and restore some democracy to this country.


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 9:09 am
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I always saw the maroon / burgundy as more of a British colour than navy anyway, but to be honest who cares either way. It could be red, blue, pink, rainbow, orange, anything.

It’s just a bit of paper you need to get across borders.

At one level, all passports are symbols of the oppression of freedom - bureaucrats telling you if you can or cannot pass from one bit of land to another.


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 9:36 am
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How can this even be a news story let alone top billing?


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 9:43 am
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It's on about the same level as much of the 'taking back control' guff that people voted for in their millions, so I don't see why it wouldn't be a fascinating development for that audience.


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 9:49 am
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Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters.

It can be number 1 on the list of benefits from leaving the EU

(list now has it's first item, woohoo)


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 9:57 am
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Perhaps we could make the passports smaller and a more faded colour to represent our loss of influence and freedom of movement?


 
Posted : 22/12/2017 10:11 am
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Blue, you say?

Let's hope that we can reintroduce suitable categories, like in the good old days.

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Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters.

It can be number 1 on the list of benefits from leaving the EU

(list now has it's first item, woohoo)

Very much this!

When was it changed from blue to burgundy?

It's only a certain demographic that want this

Just another example of the Tories ignoring the youth to owner to the oldies!

Ironically it's old codger Corbyn who will gain from it again.


 
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