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I voted out and I'm over the moon today - Hard cheese on all you remainers but you lost fair and square.
As I said elsewhere, I will likely be perfectly fine, thanks. The burden will fall on the white working class, but right now I'm feeling it hard to muster much sympathy for them. They misidentified the source of their problems and voted for Farage - made their bed, now lie in it.
joolsburger
We'll be fine
Please answer me this simple question:
How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK?
The people have spoken. Very sad but it is what it is.
Certainly convinced me even more to move back to France.
Please answer me this simple question:How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK?
It doesn't, but if we get rid of those pesky foreigners there will be less people to share it across, eh?
Yes yes talk us all down, the rest of the country is awful when it patently isn't. There is plenty of wealth outside London and yes there are significant issues to be addressed in some areas but taken in the round the UK is an excellent place to be and it pisses me off when we are told it's not. Why do people do this, the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
Our country needs to regain some of the confidence it has lost largely driven by the doomsayers and negative vibe merchants who love complaining usually from their warm, well fed, cosy homes on their macbook pros using a 100gb broadband connection. Literally millions of people want to live here and of course if you don't you're free to leave.
If
the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
why did you want to go and **** it up in the first place 🙄
DrJ - Memberthe white working class.........They misidentified the source of their problems and voted for Farage
If that's the case why did UKIP only get 1 MP in the general election last year? Have the problems only arisen in the last 13 months?
Talk about "misidentified the source of their problems", try to think DrJ.
And some on here claim that the working-class are stupid......... goodness me.
UK is an excellent place to be and it pisses me off when we are told it's not. Why do people do this, the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
Was.
I think such a decision would be even more destructive and make a mockery of the democratic process. Would you have felt the same way if vote remain had won the campaign fairly and squarely?If 16M people demand it can we force another referendum in 6 months? We might get a lot of people realising they made a mistake. If not then we can say the country has definitely decided.
why did you want to go and * it up in the first place
Do you really think it is *** up, I don't to be honest, could it be better, yes it could but it's not crap here really is it, if you think it is I'd love to know how you justify that statement?
We will get by, we will adapt and we will prosper. The only difference (at the moment) is that we have made that more challenging, in fact much more challenging in the immediate future.
But who knows, that might not be a bad thing. Its no good lamenting the fact that people may or may not have made important decisions based on bllx etc. You have to deal with the future and one way to ensure that bllx doesn't win is to ensure that those who serve us remember that, and that they do not become to isolated from those they serve. The fact that we see a rise of a collection of (****s, you fill in the blanks) in power all around the world is merely a reflection of this - at the end of the day, we get what we deserve.
Ok perhaps we dont deserve Bojo but if we dont learn the lessons of history, then we only have ourselves to blame.
Literally millions of people want to live here....
I am glad that 24 hours too late this is finally perceived as a [b]good thing[/b]. Shame that it took all this for it to sink in!! 😉
@jools yes well said
Do you really think it is ****** up, I don't to be honest, could it be better, tyes it could but it's not crap here really is it?.
it's worse than it was yesterday.
If that's the case why did UKIP only get 1 MP in the general election last year? Have the problems only arisen in the last 13 months?
a) FPTP
b) tribalist voting
HTH
teamhurtmorebut if we dont learn the lessons of history, then we only have ourselves to blame.
the ONLY thing we have learn't from the lessons of history is that as a species we NEVER learn the lessons from History.......... 🙄
if you think it is I'd love to know how you justify that statement?
that was my point we were the 5th largest economy in the world yesterday, life was infact rather good
the referendum has cost us millions, spewed out a whole load of hate and lies and we are now entering 2 years of financial uncertainty
I don't think Europe likes us any more. 🙁
"European parliament president Martin Schulz, president of the European Council Donald Tusk, European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker and Dutch PM Mark Rutte also went into emergency talks. They released a statement saying they regretted but respected the British decision and insisted the "Union of 27 member states will continue".
They called for the UK to leave "as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty".
They added that the deal agreed with Mr Cameron in February to protect London's financial markets, curb immigration and opt out of closer union "ceases to exist" and "there will be no renegotiation"
German MEP Manfred Weber, from the party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, insisted on a tough line for the UK: "There cannot be any special treatment for the United Kingdom. Leave means leave. The times of cherry-picking are over.""
joolsburger - Member
Yes yes talk us all down, the rest of the country
That would be England and Wales. After Ulster has a border vote and joins the Republic, also Scotland seceding after their next referendum.
Littler Britain it is, then...
How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
I don't think Europe likes us any more.
Europe like us fine, they just won't put up with us pissing in the bed anymore.
Can't we just create our own rules for our financial markets now? Sort of become a Hong Kong of Europe.
Sturgeon says she has talked to London Mayor Sadiq Khan who shares her views about London’s place in the EU.
london & Scotland to secceed from the UK?
Nothing surprising in the reaction of the Europeans.
I bet John Cryan (British CEO of Deutsche Bank) was feeling a little awkward this morning as Germany's biggest bank saw 13% of its share price.
Guten morgan John, danke sehr, sie ***************************!!!
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
So just jingoist cliches again, no real plan. I don't think we will be able to sell them on the open market.
sturgeon interesting, scotland and london teaming up? 😆
free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
we were always free to do that, its just theres more red tape and costs getting them visas than via the EU
Why do people do this, the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
Because it doesn't come free. Only ultra nationalists and fascists believes we are somehow "magically" better than everyone else.
It's good because can afford it to be.
Again. Take out London, take out brent crude (maybe from, oh, let's say 1979) and remove the "wealth" from the rest of the country and replace it with "earning".
You think it would be "a great place" then eh? What did London vote for: to stay.
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
Time to live the dream. Happy Days.....
(what's a wod BTW? 🙂 )
Nicola Sturgeon has nailed her colours to the mast. Shame, but in all honesty I like many other's will happily wave Scotland goodbye. So they get the vote on in/out, don't like the result and then go for independence.
Will Scotland ask again for Independence?
Take out London, take out brent crude (maybe from, oh, let's say 1979) and remove the "wealth" from the rest of the country and replace it with "earning".
Yes but we're not doing that are we so why put it up, hypothetical nonsense. The UK is what it is, not what it might be.
Why would she not call for independence now?
(apart from the obvious economic reasons but as we have just seen, they don't count)
Just listened to her live interview and she has stated her intention for a 2nd referendum.
hypothetical nonsense
Ok. I'll look at how much it's cost us [b]today[/b]. How hypothetical is that?
Of course....why would she say anything else?
Feel sorry for the Scots now, didn't post indyref. Aren't they totally hamstrung now because they are in limbo between secessionist England, upon who they are totally reliant economically, and an EU they couldn't meet the joining conditions of?
Will Scotland ask again for Independence?
Yes, just been announced that SNP are preparing for another referendum; and this time I suspect they will vote 'Yes' to Independence and leave little Englanders alone to play Dad's Army.
I wonder how long Northern Ireland will take to announce a referendum on independence, weeks, months?
jambalaya
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the world they come from
Thing is, The UK hasn't been a significant global power for probably 40 years. Back when we had an empire, yes, we could call the shots on the rest of the world, in 2016, nope, we are just a small island sitting in a cold wet sea away from the rest of the world, with a service industry based economy.
You response is basically like answering the question "How do i climb Everest", with the answer "put one foot infront of the other till you're at the top" ie whilst maybe true, it's not actually an answer with which you can do anything!
The SIMPLE, immutable fact is that we are a net importer. If it becomes more expensive to carry out business in the UK, as compared to the EU, then our exports will fall even further.
So, ignoring any social issues, how does leaving the EU make us a more suitable business location that when we were in it??
Amazing how the world turns so fast
Not so long ago
Scottish indy hopes lay in tatters
CMD had pulled off an unlikely result/victory for the Tories
and today....
Scotland will vote out of the U.K. They deserved a 2nd referendum as it was also based on the U.K. staying in the E.U.
The majority of Scottish voters wanted to stay in Europe.
The Scots are not represented in the U.K.
Imagine a border between England and Scotland.
teamhurtmore - Member
Why would she not call for independence now?
she basically just did. Canny do it without a ref though, and canny call a ref without westminster consent(well not without years worth of court actions).
She's just put out the opening punches.
Scotland will vote out of the U.K.
Do the sums add up without oil?
From Beeb:
Meanwhile, German MEP Manfred Weber, from the party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, insisted on a tough line for the UK: "There cannot be any special treatment for the United Kingdom. Leave means leave. The times of cherry-picking are over."
Sounds like one of the er, bigger players, might not be [i]entirely [/i]amenable to greasing our golden exit. Who'd have thought, the rotters.
a) FPTP
b) tribalist votingHTH
Not really. It doesn't explain why UKIP have only one MP. The real reason is that not enough people want to vote for UKIP.
That's the reality, although I know it doesn't fit into the STW "Britain is racist" narrative.
One of the big blunders the Remain camp made was to call people racist. Generally people don't like to be called racist, specially when they know that they're not.
And then you get the situation "Why should I believe you? You say I'm racist and I know I'm not. I don't really believe anything you say".
Bojo is no longer popular in London then, especially amongst us democracy hating leftists
and the cyclists dont like him either
https://twitter.com/asianyardie/status/746262480649854976/video/1
I am surprised by the SNP, I thought that they would allow a couple of years at least post brexit until things got really bad and Boris was being Boris and giving his pound in London/pound in Strathclyde speech. Then there would be a much stronger chance of a yes vote.
I'm waiting for the Clinton-Trump result, then possibly looking at emigrating some place.
A few of us in the office are thinking the same, but as a Scot living in England, with an English wife and English born children, I'm dreading the break up of the U.K. and just want to be well away from it if/when it happens.
Sturgeon is talking about another referendum.
Then there would be a much stronger chance of a yes vote.
Do you not think they could win one now?
There will be an awful lot of address drop down lists that need amending for country, most of them list United Kingdom only.
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without clear information without rhetoric, people make bad decisions.
I suspect Sturgeon will be trying to do a deal with Europe today that might be enacted after a second referendum.
Effectively get s deal for Scotland to remain, before they've left.
She might not succeed, but why not try?
The country's decided, and while I think we have made a big mistake we have to move on now. I don't know how - I haven't seen a coherent strategy from the Leave campaign about how they plan to renegotiate our deals; much less have they been forthcoming with any information about what they want those deals to include. It was that as much as anything that made me a Remainian.
One thing slightly bothers me - and i know this is democracy and how it works; I know many many others will argue it has always been this way and even worse in a GE due to FPTP; I know it was a very high turnout, and i know it has almost no relevance now.
But (round numbers) 17.4M people voted Leave, 16.1M voted Remain, and about 13M didn't vote at all (based on a 72% turnout). Only 37% actively voted to change the status quo massively, and i wonder how many of the 13M no-voters (which also include the spoil their paper to make a point voters) did it thinking mistakenly that Remain would win anyway. And i wonder what they feel like this morning. I hope they feel as sick as i do.
If we ever vote on something this large again, I do think we need a >50% of [u]eligible[/u] voters to change the status quo.
Well that's all escalated a bit quickly eh Dave?..
Do the sums add up without oil?
I recon they are on the way oot, regardless. Less about budgets and more about nutters in Westminsters...
What's next? NI Republican parties going for likewise and the dissident armed groups thinking it's a good time to start/ramp up action?
I prefer boring times.
she basically just did.
I know
Thing is, The UK hasn't been a significant global power for probably 40 years. Back when we had an empire, yes, we could call the shots on the rest of the world, in 2016, nope, we are just a small island sitting in a cold wet sea away from the rest of the world, with a service industry based economy.
Yes this is completely accurate - It is bollocks.
Comparing the FTSE 100 & 250 is interesting.
Do the markets think this will hit smaller companies harder, or is it just volatility? 250 is consistently further down today.
First time on this thread. I am sure this has already been said by much more learned and committed folk:
Our vote to leave the EU will offer plenty of opportunities but there will be some turbulence for the foreseeable future. I cannot believe choosing isolation will help prosperity. A good economy needs fluid immigration to support demand. The majority voted to draw up the fences, led by campaigners who are at heart libertarian capitalists. These will get in the cheap labour one way (wage cuts) or another (immigrant key workers, where they get to decide).
Labour failed to convince their defectors to UKIP of this message at the last election and the referendum came too soon for it to stick, 2017 would have been too soon as well.
I can't leave this country, stuck with it but it has gone in a direction I am unhappy with, however:
We must dig in and get through to tea. And we must play on.
Footflaps, I don't.
Do the sums add up without oil?
Probably better than before as previously they were competing against a financially stronger English speaking competitor within the EU. Now they'd be the English speaking point of access into the EU. I'd expect a fairly significant shift in headquarters to Glasgow and Edinburgh and potentially a gain in manufacturing too.
Chances are in five and ten years time, the man in the street won't notice any difference. Possibly this will be the start of something better, including our relationship with existing EU countries, as the EU staggers and falls.
Just need to get on with it now! 🙂
I also wonder about that last minute statement by Juncker, I bet that turned a lot of votes.
Basically it was the EUs fault that it let the people of member state get to the state of disatisfaction that it had.
If we don't have the same political aspirations as the EU we should be out. Most remainers were remain because of the impending turmoil, not because of any principals.
And, on further inspection, those principals of social fairness, etc, that I thought might be there, aren't. The EU is just for an expansion of capitalism/globalisation and exploitation of the working classes.
I suspect Sturgeon will be trying to do a deal with Europe today...
She has no legal right to negotiate with the EU for Scotland until they become a separate country, which would likely not be until after the UK as a whole has left the EU.
As is, Scotland is part of the UK and it is the UK government that negotiates with the EU.
SNP will still have to square the 'which currency do we use' question which is now black and white, yet they even last week wanted grey i.e. Stirling and EU membership.
Letter of no confidence has just been delivered to Jeremy Jeremy from his opponents in the PLP...
Shakespeare nails it again ... even if he did write this in the 1590s about something that happened 200 years before that.... 😯
Richard 2 Act 2 scene 1
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house
Against the envy of less happier lands;
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
this nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,
Feared be their breed and famous by their birth,
Renowned for their deeds as far from home
For Christian service and true chivalry
As is the sepulchre, in stubborn Jewry,
Of the world’s ransom, blessed Mary’s son;
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out – I die pronouncing it –
Like to a tenement or a pelting farm.
England, bound in with the triumphant sea,
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds.
That England that was wont to conquer others
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Do the markets think this will hit smaller companies harder,
It's going to hit the small company i work for very hard, (cocoa bean co in dumfries&galloway) as we buy all our our chocolate from Belgium, the cocoa prices have been rising for a while now and i imagine this will only increase the financial strain on the business.
Sootyandjim - agreed she has no legal right. But that doesn't stop her talking to anyone she likes.
If we don't have the same political aspirations as the EU we should be out. Most remainers were remain because of the impending turmoil, not because of any principals.
You said that with a straight face?
SNP will still have to square the 'which currency do we use' question which is now black and white, yet they even last week wanted grey i.e. [b]Stir[/b]ling and EU membership.
Why not Perth or Edinburgh 🙂
FTSE 100 v 250 - more likely levels of liquidity IMO
Yes Ro5ey. The bard was really good at writing stuff that kept him in Elizabeth Tudor's good books. Very wise if he wanted to keep his head. What's your point, exactly? Will you be reccommending re-equipping the RAF with Spitfires next?
Rockape63 - Member
...Possibly this will be the start of something better, including our relationship with existing EU countries, as the EU staggers and falls.
so, this 'something better' involves our most important trading partner 'staggering and falling'...?
if my clients 'stagger and fall', that's bad news for my profit.
FTSE 100 v 250 - more likely levels of liquidity IMO
Wondered about that, but also about the likelihood of significant amounts of the company income coming from foreign subsidiaries.
MrWhoppit - the last two lines maybe.
Will you be reccommending re-equipping the RAF with Spitfires next?
Pfft. Every knows it was Hurricanes wot won the Battle.
So Farage has admitted the 350m figure for the NHS was a'mistake'
Oh I don't know. Using blatant lies and scaremongering got him exactly what he wanted.
Assuming the whole 52% who voted out are closet racists and thick is damn insulting!
Oh OK. The whole 52% who voted out are closet racists OR thick.
This is one area I find puzzling, if the farmers allegedly get so much cash from the EU, how come the bulk of them were overwhelming OUT?
I can understand this a bit. It's the big guys in farming who currently do well from the EU. Look at where the Leave farmers are. They tend to be smaller outfits and probably are overwhelmed by red tape and paperwork for what they see is little monetary gain. Of course if we want to trade with Europe post-EU, those regs will still be in place.
sturgeon interesting, scotland and london teaming up?
That's going to need a long tunnel.
I wonder how many people that could vote but didn't bother are now wishing they'd dragged themselves away from the telly and voted?
Chances are in five and ten years time, the man in the street won't notice any difference.
So what was the point? And why did we bother consulting the man on the street at all if it has no effect on them?
Personally I don't think that is true at all. Sure, the sun will still rise and set, rain will still be wet, but things will be different one way or another.
Woppit ...
If I was being all blind patriotism I wouldn't have post the whole quote now would I.
As ever, look a bit deeper.... or simply read the last line
On this subject we in agreement, don't go spoiling it my friend.
I wonder how many people that could vote but didn't bother are now wishing they'd dragged themselves away from the telly and voted?
I reckon that if those who were more worried about watching TV than voting had done the latter then the Leave vote may have been stronger...
That's going to need a long tunnel.
London - Edinburgh hyperloop, it would be a small price to pay.