its not mutually exclusive so they can be reducing the expected number and also still be at a significant scale - lets say its only a tenth of their workforce I think its reasonable to call that a significant scale and what they said originally , as I know accuracy is important to you and you would not like to be seen as attempting to BS any one
My emphasisUBS currently employs around 5,000 people in London. Back in January, chairman Axel Weber said that about a fifth of those jobs [b]could[/b] be at risk of having to move.
Its a strange world when you celebrate one bank only losing about a tenth as some sort of victory for your position/Brexit.
in terms of making your argument (well or badly) I think you sometimes (and please take this as constructive criticism, I don’t mean it to be derogatory, although I see there is a risk) come across as a bit of a smart alec, a barrack room lawyer as my father would have said. That said your google skills are better than mine.
My father was a military man and therefore I know the importance of fighting on the ground of your choosing. The beauty of internet political discussions is you have that ability to not engage. No one knows whether you have have acquiesced or simply not been reading the thread. I simply choose ground where I have some knowledge and therefore when googling I know exactly what I am looking for.
Being a bit ruminative, I have huge respect for Ernie Lynch who sadly no longer seems to post. Our politics on the whole were very different, albeit he would probably be cheering me on this thread, but we could rehearse our arguments without rancour. He ducked and dived, and no doubt he would accuse me of doing the same. But we could agree to disagree and that makes discussions much more interesting.
But the real reason I respect Ernie was that he was involved in real politics on the ground, he is not the only one, I seem to remember MikeTually and Allthegear actually standing for election. Whether I agree with their politics, which I don't, that is far more commendable than posting your arguments on the internet.
Fair enough. You come across as more of a keyboard warrior, but we probably haven’t met.
That's recently found out what a thesaurus is! 😆
It's amusing you view it that way. I just view it as talking shit on the internet. Much the same as talking shit in the pub, except you can get away with googling to back up the illusion of knowledge without others seeing! 😆I know the importance of fighting on the ground of your choosing.
Fair enough. You come across as more of a keyboard warrior, but we probably haven’t met.
We have both posted on a similar number of threads since the hack, I fear we are both neophytes (that's for seosamh) when it comes to keyboard warriorship.
I just view it as talking shit on the internet
Ah, but there is shit that comes out of your arse and shit that you look at in the bowl.
😆 @ seosamh
I am just supremely knowledgeable on a wide array of areas especially news channels i dont watch 😈
EDIT @ mefty had to google the word as well --- well played
I am just supremely knowledgeable on a wide array of areas especially news channels i dont watch
Next we'll be expected to believe jamba and thm are high falutin executive types that are influential in the halls of business and power! 😆
IGM. That’s an odd comment to target at mefty given (1) your normal desire for sensible discourse and (2) the fact that mefty’s comments are factual, reasonable and presented articulately. Oh, hang on, I get it know. 😉
Keep ‘em coming mefty. This barren desert is in desperate need 😉
So some progress today...
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-41977509
Maybe a vote on the deal (would rule out any no deal taking my ball home scenario - possibly) but pro EU tories still prepared to vote against the boss.
The Guardian reports that Tory rebels are "not convinced" by what it calls a "U-turn" by the government in offering the vote, with former Attorney General Dominic Grieve saying a verbal assurance was not enough. Pro-European backbencher Anna Soubry told the newspaper she and some of her colleagues were still willing to go against the government as Mr Davis' announcement gave them no say on a "no deal" scenario.
Progress in one direction then, what a day to be PM
Davies - a man who always does too little too late
practical Conservatives
This comment I made was referring to our government having ruled out (for party reasons) a relationship with Europe in a form based on one that either Norway or Switzerland have… not the committee asking questions over how the border is handled by those two states.
Anyway… the bluff of Conservative "rebels" has now been called… no chance to moderate the government's approach now… [s]bad [/s]May's deal, no deal, or Corbyn as PM, is the choice in front of them, and at the last minute… choose your form of chaos… I honestly feel for them.
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THM, Mefty - sorry if that came across the wrong way, I don’t object to what Mefty posts at all. I just find the habit of taking a particular stance and then running away when robustly and accurately challenged a little tedious. Oh I know, glass houses and all.
Let me be clear, there is nothing bad about being wrong, and Mefty please do not let me stop you taking these marginal stands - that is how debate works, how we test the edges. But come on, argue well, concede when you have to, but don’t just run away when it goes in a direction you don’t like.
If you find that the beauty of an Internet forum is that you can just go quiet, what does that say about the real world - there’s nothing at stake on here, what do your do in the real world when an argument is going wrong?
On here is not real I agree (though it is slightly less Throught the Looking Glass that talking to my local MP), but it is a great place to test arguments that you can use in the real world. Don’t just make it about point scoring.
And yes that goes for everyone else too. Including me.
Morning IGM!
Kelvin I assumed that you were mixing the issues up ;-). But even saying that, it is correct that the Gov does not simply accept an off-the-shelf FTA solution as none of the existing ones suit our needs
I don’t know what happened to the text of the Ctte last night as could only find the broadcast on the train and didn’t have headphones. So still to read if there are any bright ideas
I’m on the road today. Got it get my posts in early.
THM, what do you think happens if no deal exists which will satisfy all sides?
WTO
Which is why I do not expect it to happen. Too much to lose on both sides
Same with a silly vote. Vote down deal and get WTO. Great choice?!?
Hence the need to get on with negotiating a proper deal ASAP. Best chance looks like Dec/Jan
What does "WTO" have to do with NI border?
Misunderstood ?
Will return later today
Thm, your caricature becomes more cartoon like every day.
THM - in the Venn diagram of deal WTO lies in the does not satisfy all sides. You’re going to have to be more imaginative.
Surely the time line is this
Parliament gets to vote on the "deal". It's such a bad deal that it gets rejected by parliament
We then face the true reality of no deal
Parliament in chaos. An election is called. Labour campaign on a mandate of another referendum to reverse the decision to leave. Tories decimated, labour triumphant.
Remain wins the new referendum massively. The whole thing is scrapped.
THM and Jamba's heads explode. We all laugh.
Nah, the MPs will roll over like good doggies.
It's been demonstrated many times that they will bluster and whine, but their strong stances soon disappear when the Whips threaten their jobs (or casually flick through The Big Book of Naughty Members).
Chief whip is an ardent remainder BTW.
BoardinBob - Member
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Chief whip is an ardent remainder BTW.
Yep, but his job description is making sure MPs vote with the government. You wouldn't take that job in the middle of Brexit vote chaos without the firm intention of doing just that.
Yep, but his job description is making sure MPs vote with the government.
The ultimate mockery of democracy imo.
Every politicians first job is looking after number 1. Plus I watched House of Cards not that long ago 🙂
It's only marginally better than the Henry VIII legislation outcome - rubber stamp this or hard Brexit.
That General Election cannot come soon enough. Even if Corbyn and McDonnell are both Brexiteers, I'd far rather have Starmer negotiating on our behalf.
rubber stamp this or hard Brexit.
smells like a crisis in the making to me, panic will set in at some point.
teamhurtmore - Member
WTOWhich is why I do not expect it to happen. Too much to lose on both sides
Same with a silly vote. Vote down deal and get WTO. Great choice?!?
Anyone want to write a list of the country's doing WTO only?
Seems STW isn't the only home of the petulant regretful leaver...
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/if-prominent-remainers-apologise-to-angry-leavers-brexit-can-still-be-avoided?CMP=fb_gu ]If prominent remainers apologise to angry leavers, Brexit can still be avoided[/url]
I voted leave for very good reasons, but now think we cannot get a good Brexit deal. But blaming me is counter-productive; intemperate articles from the liberal political establishment only serve to increase my bloody-mindedness.
Oh, and THM, when you threw your toys out of the pram the other night, you forgot to explain the connection between you working on staff members' visas and Brexit.
THM and Jamba's heads explode. We all laugh.
What a weird comment on all levels
well, if it's any comfort, i find your response to that quite odd too. 😉
As comforting as a bed of nails
Remain wins the new referendum massively. The whole thing is scrapped.
Fantasy. Narrow win either way, resulting in years of chaos in both political parties, and the country at large. There is no clean outcome ahead for the UK. Different flavours of chaos. Choose your preferred chaos.
May's new strong line about Russia interfering in the democracy of other countries is interesting.
Yeah it is. Seems an odd time to potentially anger Trump.
And I'm surprised she'd want to bring to much focus on it herself, given the speculated links between Russia and the Brexit vote.
Perhaps it is part of undermining Boris, given his reported lying about meeting "The Professor" involved in the Trump/Russia ties:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-joseph-mifsud_uk_5a081ba6e4b01d21c83ef6b3
kelvin - Member
May's new strong line about Russia interfering in the democracy of other countries is interesting.
Deflect, deflect, deflect!!!!
May accusing russia of what Johnson has been doing with impunity. She named the lying, story inventing ex-Etonian foreign secretary. Hyocrisy.
Commons on good form today… when we need an emergency government, can someone make sure Ken Clarke has a role? Ta.
