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But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread
Correct. But possibly vert soon they may have to step up to the plate
nah Torries so desperate to cling on, theyd rather destroy their reputation by keeping Patel & Johnson on board & ****ing up Brexit that theyll keep resuscitating this dying government
THM your stance apppears to have shifted
No it hasn’t
Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though
But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread
hmm that red line wouldve been higher now if it'd continued its trajectory from march 2013 to mid 2015
#brexitsfault
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Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though
not long ago you were confident teh grown ups would ensure there would be a deal, inspite of the headlines
are you so sure now?
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/22/the-out-campaign-and-the-attitude-to-tax-of-its-funders/
How will the brexit voting public respond when they find out they have been shafted? Still waiting for an answer.
Mefty - I get happier every day I see another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Of course I’m getting happier since June last year.
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eye opening thread from deputy director of British Influence thinktank
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/927551446186450944
Back from meetings in Brussels. There's good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it's... extremely bad. 1/
Yes but apart from that, it's all going perfectly - adults in the room, no froth, preparations being made etc etc.
Yes kimbers
The grown ups will ensure a deal. But lots of noise in the meantime
Both sides lose from no deal - why would either side accept that?
Both sides lose from the UK leaving - why would either side accept that?
Hmmmmm......
Both sides lose from no deal - why would either side accept that?
Maybe because one side DOESN'T want a deal, look at the paymasters funding the Brexit campaign and ask what they want. These are people who will loose nothing from the chaos and infact stand to gain from the new opportunities.
You talk about adults in the room, sorry to tell you but there are none on the UK side.
The grown ups will ensure a deal
Oh, when are they joining in?
Britain , the Isle of Man pore precisely, and the place's boss, QE2, are getting some proper bad press in Germany today. The TV channles are indignant that German companies have avoided about 15 000 000 000e in tax through IOM fudges.
Both sides lose from no deal - why would either side accept that?
Because the EU states have so little to lose and are feeling so sore about IOMgate that they really can say "no deal is better than a bad deal".
mrmo - Member
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/22/the-out-campaign-and-the-attitude-to-tax-of-its-fundersHow will the brexit voting public respond when they find out they have been shafted? Still waiting for an answer.
The majority are not clever enough to know. All they want to see is less foreign people.
Mefty - I get happier every day I see another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Of course I’m getting happier since June last year.
I fear you may cause a blip in future statistics.
Perhaps, Mefty, perhaps.
Personally I doubt it, because if Brexit is cancelled the majority will be happy, if it goes ahead 95% of folk will get despondent pretty quickly.
But for now, when one's government is a joke, the best thing to do is laugh at them. Can’t vote them out just yet, so it’ll have to do.
Mrmo
Well the people I am dealing with must be a mirage then. Odd when I shake their hands they feel oddly real
Don’t confuse the nutters with the people who are doing the real work
Because the EU states have so little to lose and are feeling so sore about IOMgate that they really can say "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Yes the IoM really is a swing factor here 😯
The majority are not clever enough to know. All they want to see is less foreign people.
*fewer.
They're not clever enough to know the difference between less and fewer. Or interested.
Don’t confuse the nutters with the people who are doing the real work
So who are these people, that you know about but the rest of us are too dumb to recognise? Are we to believe that behind the shambolic nonsense spouted by Davies and co there are armies of realistic and hard-nosed individuals negotiating away despite constantly being undermined by the codswallop emerging from the government, and that at the last moment a Norway-like deal will be revealed and sold to Parliament and the public? I'd like to believe it, but there is more evidence for Santa Claus.
Is that a serious question?
Why would we want a. Norway deal? Doesn’t suit our needs. That would be silly
I try not to look at this thread for the sake of my ticker!
Therefore this may have been done. The fact that the telegraph is printing it is significant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/07/exclusive-poll-shows-public-have-lost-faith-theresa-mays-handling/
Is that a serious question?Why would we want a. Norway deal? Doesn’t suit our needs. That would be silly
Yes it's a serious question. Forget Norway - it's just an example of some halfway house that's not membership and not WTO.
that suggests they had faith to lose 😉
JY it's all based on faith, there never was any rational basis for it.
Yes it's a serious question
Well that’s quite worrying.
I think were as stupid as think we could leave, stop paying, not have immigration and retain trade as they needed us more than we needed the
When reality finally sinks in they will blame the EU for being inflexible rather than themselves for being stupidly unrealistic
I think arrogance or hubris or stupidity are better explanations than faith
apparently we are definitely leavingBoth sides lose from the UK leaving - why would either side accept that?
Don’t confuse the nutters with the people who are doing the real work
I agree with DrJ on this.
Who are these people? Please tell us? I mean this seriously. I stand to lose my job if there's a cliff edge (I work in automotive stuff).... I am currently job hunting (well, window shopping, but getting ready to move)
Well that’s quite worrying.
Maybe. But can you answer it, or do you only have more sneering?
That's one question we [b]can[/b] all answer DrJ.
Unconstructive sneering only, of course.
It doesn't take much to swing opinion, THM. It only took a few lies to get Brexit. It'll only take a few truths to convince Europeans that taking a hard line on Brexit negociations is in their best interests.
I know one of the Brexy civil servants, my boss a few* more - verdict is nice guys, intelligent, but lacking in gravitas and experience. Or put it another way, rather too likely to do whatever daft thing their minister asks of them.
No there aren’t teams of grownups behind the scenes. There may be a few, that might be enough, but don’t bet your house on it.
*quite a few
you choose to feed the troll what you expecting to happen from the exchange?
He gave up saying anything months and months ago
Of course, anyone who cares a jot about what is going on would know the answer.
So if people are going to call Brexshiteers thick, then they should be able to demonstrate different standards themselves. Unless .....
I think the main issues are that the folk doing the negotiations are seriously lacking in intellectual capacity and apart from when they go to the EU they are living in an echo chamber that simply reinforces their own position and no one ever questions it.
Del;uded fools in other words. Utterly stupid intheir action. completely incapable of doing any of this right.
Every day the bad news gets worse. History will not trat them well
No deal is possible from here. No significant progress on the major stumbling blocks has happened at all.
Paltry offer on EU citizens that is never going to be accepted, complete fantasy over NI and an unwillingness to pay our way.
Its donald ducked
THM - the facts generally back up Brexies being thicker* than the stalwart British remainers - though I accept that is a generalisation.
*perhaps didn’t take as much advantage of the education on offer would be a better way of putting it
Empty words THM. You have assumed a holding pattern. Waiting for the current Conservative government to form a plan that is both achievable, and acceptable to all ministers*.
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Tick.
Tock.
Of course, anyone who cares a jot about what is going on would know the answer.
Maybe. But I don't know it. So help me out and tell me what it is,
"Brexshiteers" are thick, xenophobic, gullible or have vested interests. I thought we'd worked that out around page 150.
If thm can rant about his own definition of austerity then let's get something right.
No deal is a know incredibly shit outcome.
Anything else is a deal - getting a deal in itself is easy and not an achievement.
Unless it's a carbon copy of one of the others any think agreed will be unique and bespoke.
In summary it's all meaningless here.
The options now are damage minimisation or sword falling. It's a question that goes unanswered but when would the "must happens" accept that it shouldn't happen?
It doesn't take much to swing opinion, THM. It only took a few lies to get Brexit.
Ah, that old chestnut.
[quote It'll only take a few truths to convince Europeans that taking a hard line on Brexit negociations is in their best interests.
Truths??? Thanks for keeping the comedy element up, it was getting a bit tense ^
Try reading a Dutch or Danish paper
The brighter folk worked that out hence why THM has been left behind
Just take the piss back folk, or dont feed as there is zero chance of actual debate, you must have realised this by now.