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Pretty sure we would be in serious trouble- just checked 505 of our food is imported
Assuming you mean 50%, and looking at the obesity epidemic we could probably get by without that 50%...
Double post
Not sure how my industry is Subsidised? At least 50% of our profits go back to the gov in the form of PAYE NI Corp Tax and VAT and we all pay Tax NI etc for other services like NHS Police.
If we produced all our own food that would be good for farming just not sure how poor people would feel about a £10 quid chicken
Farming will just need to go back to the Halycon days of yore like everything else.
Folk spending £100 on a neep from the Hebden Bridge Farming Company while wearing a very nice pair of trousers.
I'm looking forward to our new life together
I would like to see farming subsidies changed dramatically to skew it in favour of small farms and also an element of "environmental stewardship" included ie reward the farmers who encourage land access and biodiversity.
farming has a huge impact on our landscape and without farming especially "hill farming" the landscape we treasure would be very different.
So the government has accepted they need to release the brexit reports following the vote in the HoC
"The government has conceded that it must share dozens of previously confidential documents assessing the economic impact of Brexit after Labour won a Commons motion demanding their release."
TJ, as I understand it there are elements of payment within SSSI areas which are dependent on certain "stewardship" practices, that also used to be the case more generally, in terms of things like planting/replacing hedgerows. However I've been off the farm for about twenty years so my knowledge might be out of date!
The argument for maintaining the countryside is valid, the argument for food production is complex and cheap imports will always over ride more expensive home grown products.
I'm not arguing for farmers maintaining the countryside. I'd happily see it revert to forest.
The point is about food security, not food production or farming profitability.
I would like the stewardship aspect to be a major part in this not a minor one.
Key issue being the small number of upland farms that are responsible for some of our most treasured countryside. Its a very small number of people but the impact of what they do is huge.
I'm not arguing for farmers maintaining the countryside. I'd happily see it revert to forest.
No tracks left in the lakes at all? No access for anyone? No open grassland in the hills? Much would not be forest anyway - it would be scrub gorse and braken
No tracks left in the lakes at all? No access for anyone?
We don't need farmers to have tracks. And grassland and heath can exist where it would exist naturally. But this is a side-track(haha), and not possible since we need to eat.
But I agree that environmental stewardship is vital. But I don't expect our new small Tory nation to give a shit.
molgrips - without farmers the tracks will simply be overgrown and inaccessible within a couple of years
without people using them this might happen but not without farmers - there are none where I ride anyway
Not saying they dont do a custodial role but we wont return to 350AD without them and have forests the length of the country
I thought that ramblers were destroying the countryside by churning up paths everywhere...
that is cyclists or MX 'ers if you ask cyclists
not sure how poor people would feel about a £10 quid chicken
Whilst agreeing everyone should have access to reasonably priced food I would mention when I were a lad chicken was a treat not a cheap source of protein. Industrialisation of meat production is responsible for lower prices along with lower quality, lower welfare standards and over-consumption.
But I agree that environmental stewardship is vital. But I don't expect our new small Tory nation to give a shit
Their only interest is in the bottom line.
I thought that ramblers were destroying the countryside by churning up paths everywhere...
Isn't it MTBers?
molgrips - without farmers the tracks will simply be overgrown and inaccessible within a couple of years
Well no, not everywhere. In much of the country the farmers are simply driving around field edges in tractors which doesn't make for good trails. And locally to me most of the riding is old industrial access, forestry, or simply MTBer made trails.
BUT yes you'd have to manage quite a bit of wilderness to keep the trails open of course. But as I said it's academic since we need farmers. Regrettably, from the environmental point of view, but we are where we are, as they say 🙂
Depends on the population density where you ride! if a track has a reasonable level of use then it will remain clear, but will still potentially need trimming back of brambles/bracken/gorse; occasionally used tracks can quickly disapear.
Its a very small number of people but the impact of what they do is huge.
Then we can simply pay someone to be "hillside custodian". As they aren't busy milking cows, setting up electric fences, spraying chemicals, filling in subsidy applications and other agricultural tasks they'll have lots of time to sell choc ices to greedy cyclists.
THM and his mates Banks, Fox etc. must be so pleased ........
Britain is undergoing a full-blown identity crisis. It is a “hollowed-out country,” “ill at ease with itself,” “deeply provincial,” engaged in a “controlled suicide,” say puzzled experts. And these are Britain’s friends.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/sunday-review/britain-identity-crisis.html
Meanwhile
the Reality keeps on coming
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41875853
TV firms may have to move some operations abroad if there is no Brexit trade deal, the body for international broadcasters in the UK has warned.
It says thousands of jobs could potentially be at stake in the event of a "hard " Brexit, where the UK leaves the EU with no formal trade agreement.
The Commercial Broadcasters Association (COBA) speaks for media networks such as Eurosport, Disney and Discovery.
The government says it "will work to get the right deal for broadcasters".
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41865046
Current Brexit negotiations resemble "a prime-time soap opera", the president of the CBI will say on Monday.
Paul Drechsler will tell the lobby group's annual conference it is time for government and business to unite behind "a clear strategy".
This new approach is needed to protect the UK's economy, he will say.
Research conducted by the CBI suggests 60% of firms will trigger contingency plans by the end of March 2018, if no transition deal is agreed by then.
Good news all around
Stop being so negative.....
Once we’ve taken back control will be able to err...
in control as always
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It's bonus points if you leave your dead burnt hands on the wheel when they find the wreckage.
THM and his mates Banks, Fox etc. must be so pleased ........
What a silly comment
and the CBI THM?
The CBI are traitors and Enemies of the People!
And once we’ve taken back control, they’ll be tried for un-British thought crimes!
.... if we’ve still got an extradition treaty with the EU, so we can get them back from Frankfurt and Paris
Dont you repeatedly say and show you treat this thread as a place for silliness?What a silly comment
It really not like you to complain when folk do what you do .
I agree with CBI.
I have never been on the side of Banks not Fox, hence a silly comment. Very silly.
Protests too much....
Versus posts BS
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Nice little summary of the just use WTO options
"It is perfectly fine for the UK to leave and trade with [the EU] as we trade with the rest of the world at the moment, under world trade rules," said MP John Redwood on 19 October.
"Even if we leave [the EU] without a deal, we still get most favoured nation status under WTO rules, which is how we trade with the rest of the world," said MP Bernard Jenkin MP on 17 January.
Reality Check verdict: This is wrong, the UK trades with only 24 countries under WTO rules only. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, agreements either fully or partly in place which enable trade on better terms.
But who else is just WTO?
If you look at the WTO database which lists all regional trade agreements, there is nothing for Mauritania. That's led some to suggest Mauritania is the only member to trade solely on WTO rules.
However, according to the WTO, Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States, and it has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members.
There are some countries which aren't WTO members, including Algeria, Serbia and North Korea, but the WTO says all of its members have some sort of bilateral or regional trade agreement in place.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41859691
Happy Monday Chaps
UK-EU supply chains begin to break amid Brexit trade fears
https://www.ft.com/content/eef9846a-c0bf-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6
Contracts for post March 19 supply getting renegotiated now - and moving to inside the single market.
Project Fear eh?
All the EU have to do is sit on their hands, gain the business, and watch this unravel.
All the EU have to do is sit on their hands, gain the business, and watch this unravel.
Fundamentally it is in the interests of the EU to do nothing, not to help the UK. If as some keep pointing out, the EU has a problem with unemployment, obvious solution is to assist businesses willing to relocate to within the EU who can offer job opportunities.
Why help maintain a supply chain involving the UK when a supplier in Spain or Greece for example could be used in stead?
Now in the complete absence of a UK plan the EU can sit back and allow the UK to slit its throat. We lose they win. Nothing personal just good business.
Corbyn getting a bigger round of applause at the CBI than May.....
Brexit is interesting times
Aha!
It's like the last days of Rome
Isn't it one of the strongest virtues to admit when you're wrong, and put forward a plan to make things better?
The entire world is watching us turn the UK into a 3rd world dictatorship, and the government is too proud/self interested to back down.
They have the wafer thin backing of popular media, because they are paid to comply.
It's a very novel situation, and will probably feature as a case study on how not to run a country in years to come.
mattyfez - with the media its the other way round. 80% of the UK press are owner by 5 non uk resident far right idiots who want us out of the EU so they can turn it into a deregulated low protection low tax haven.
the whole out of the EU thing was driven by these 5 men.
That's kinda what I was alluding to, our now 'sovereign nation' is now more at the whim of international business interests than it ever was.
And our 'patriotic' 'governors' have a vested interest in keeping it that way.
it dirty desmond, the dirty digger and the barclay brothers who are driving this and have been for 20 years. all the nonsense stories about the EU come from them. Its been their aim to drive us out of the EU for that time
the whole out of the EU thing was driven by these 5 men.
It’s “make it up time” again !!!!
This thread gets more surreal
The entire world is watching us turn the UK into a 3rd world dictatorship
🙂
Brexit has to go ahead! I am planning on reopening Ellington Colliery....
Got my eye on a few dark satanic mills...
It’s “make it up time” again !!!!
In the interest of reality, let's be honest, we certainly can't trust the current government.
We can't trust the tabloids or news papers, because they are the puppet masters of the government.
The current government is so knackered they even sack anyone for gross misconduct for fear of losing their grip on power.
We can't trust the tabloids or news papers, because they are the puppet masters of the government.
Be serious.
I'm being pragmatic.
The current tory government had little credibility in the first instance, look at the track record of any of the front bench, a band of expendables.
They've done nothing other than damage thier own nation.
They are pretending to lead the country through the most difficult time since word war 2, and selling their own country out.
They do not even dare to sack anyone for rape, lest it dissolves thier majority.
Contemplate this.