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It will be hard for a good while, but you’ll come out stronger eventually.
How will we come out stronger as a small nation with tariffs and restrictions on trading with all our immediate neighbours? I don't see where our strength will come from here..? Strength and power come from working together as a large group.
[strong]molgrips[/strong] wrote:
It will be hard for a good while, but you’ll come out stronger eventually.
How will we come out stronger as a small nation with tariffs and restrictions on trading with all our immediate neighbours? I don’t see where our strength will come from here..? Strength and power come from working together as a large group.
That. Or having the biggest navy 😉
I don't see why everyone is getting so confused about this. We won't be leaving without a deal on 29th as there is a clear majority of MPs who do not want to leave without a deal, as demonstrated by recent previous votes. The notion that we'll stumble out because no one will vote for an alternative is ludicrous.
This is just the first stage of Brexit being kicked into the long grass.
JP
Uncharted waters.
The government is crippled, as is the opposition.
A GE won't help anyone or anything.
No one wants no deal.
I should laugh but there's nothing funny about it.
The only logical solution (which has been along) is to withdraw a50 and regroup for a more sensible position.
This is the most rediculous situation I could possibly imagine, it's not actually, it's beyond my imagination... it's fricking embarrassing and pathetic.
But I still think there's a lot of theatrics going on.. I don't think we'll end up leaving but there's been massive damage done, and more to come, because the childish bun fight is far from over.
Genuine question. Assuming all plays out and there is another ‘people’s vote’z what exactly would the options presented
Who knows?
This is just the first stage of Brexit being kicked into the long grass.
Well I truly hope so. It's cost a stupid amount of money to get to where we are after two and a half years but it will be be worth it if we can demonstrate how idiotic the two world wars, one world cup, unicorns, etc. myth is. For good.
Looks like the logical outcome is a no deal brexit.
1} EU have said there is nothing more to negotiate so whats the point in going back or extending a50.
2} The backstop is stabbing NI in their back.
3} the government must deliver the referendum result, otherwise what was the point in having one.
4} Cant see these MP’s being able to agree that tomorrow is Wednesday, let alone a Brexit deal.
Strange times!
Nadhim Zahawi (Newsnight) looks like a bond villain....
My long-held hope and wish for the UK to remain a full member of the EU is becoming more of a reality.
Looks like the logical outcome is a no deal brexit.
Er... No.
1} EU have said there is nothing more to negotiate so whats the point in going back or extending a50.
If we change our position / redlines of course there is a different deal that could be struck.
My car dealer analogy again; we want leather, Aircon, max 2 years old and automatic for under £10k and we are being told the best we can get is £12k, no matter how many times we ask.
But if we drop the leather and actually up to 3 years old is acceptable.....ah, now we can do something!
I don’t see why everyone is getting so confused about this. We won’t be leaving without a deal on 29th as there is a clear majority of MPs who do not want to leave without a deal,
It doesn't matter whether MPs vote to stop "no deal"...something active still has to be done. Either extend or rescind article 50. If that isn't done, we're out with no deal.
Assuming no deal gets sunk today, would there likely be a majority who vote down an extension leaving the only course of action to revoke A50?
Even if M.P’s vote no deal we are still leaving as it is written in law. Either ask for an extension or revoke Article 50
How will we come out stronger as a small nation with tariffs and restrictions on trading with all our immediate neighbours?
Unicorns.
1} EU have said there is nothing more to negotiate so whats the point in going back or extending a50.
2} The backstop is stabbing NI in their back.
3} the government must deliver the referendum result, otherwise what was the point in having one.
4} Cant see these MP’s being able to agree that tomorrow is Wednesday, let alone a Brexit deal.
🎵 One of these things is not like the others 🎵
I can't believe that three years on we're still having to remind people what "advisory" means.
EU probably aren't going to agree to extend A50 without some sane reasons for doing so (ie a 2nd referendum). There is little chance of any sane reasons coming from this government so we can forget about extending.
The other option is to revoke A50. No one in parliament has the balls to do that.
MPs can vote against no-deal all they want. It's coming and there's not much anyone can do about it.
I think we're heading for a second referendum, it's the only way out of the impasse, as there won't be a GE, and Europe won't allow an extension for more can kicking.
It also allows MPs to climb down.
Theresa May:
“Voting against leaving without a deal and for an extension does not solve the problems we face.
“The EU will want to know what use we mean to make of such an extension and this house will have to answer that question. Does it wish to revoke Article 50? Does it want to hold a second referendum? Or does it want to leave with a deal, but not this deal?”
So they have just said that if there's no deal, there will be no tariffs and no controls at the Irish border. Surely under WTO that means no tariffs on goods coming from anywhere in the world? So please explain how this puts us in such a strong position to negotiate trade deals...
So let me get this right.
Extending A50 isn't going to happen because every country in the EU28 (sic) has to agree to it.
No-deal isn't going to happen because it's a step too far for all but the most gammony ERG lot.
Revoking A50 isn't going to happen because government doesn't have the courage to do so.
What's that leave us with, then? Unicorns again? One of these three highly unlikely things has to happen.
My guess is that we'll apply for an extension (which is surely where the smart money is because the one reliable Tory consistency over the last three years has been to try and waste time); get told to foxtrot oscar (because it only takes one country to veto it and we're not exactly up to the barse in international goodwill right now); withdraw A50 in a panic on March 28th.
.....but any goods coming from NI to rUK will be subject to tariffs, via 'normal compliance and intelligence' methods (an honesty box?) to avoid the need for a hard border/checks in the Irish sea
DUP gonna love that......
@cougar; as others have said, of the three the 'if all else fails' position is genuinely to leave w/o a deal. Saying that people won't allow it is of no consequence, they have to do something instead. One of those two 'something else' options requires full agreement of the EU27 and I'm not convinced that someone will veto it.
Each of these if/and/or/then logic gates is a scary decision for various reasons and difficult to predict, although the bookies who are rarely wrong will offer you 6/1 on leaving on the 29th w/o a deal and 1/10 on us not leaving on the 29th.
It would be a gripping thriller if this was on Netflix, but as a recently redundant worker, it's terrifying that this shower of ****s have control over what you, me and our families face in the next 5-10 years.
... and thinking about it, if we do apply for an extension, it'll be for another referendum. It's the only way I can that we can justify asking, it allows the government to climb down and save face, and it's yet more can-kicking so the Tories will be all over it like a tramp on chips.
In 15 minutes there will be 376 hours until we leave the EU 'by automatic operation of the law'. The Westminster mob plan to waste at least 36 of these hours voting on things.
We may well be out with no deal due to time and incompetence.
History will judge both Mrs May and her party harshly due to gambling our futures for party unity.
@cougar we may get an extension we may not like the conditions attached to it. Our previously cushy membership may well get changed in ways ERG didn't expect and find unpalatable.
Cost of no tariff, 4 billions a year.
Tariff for the first time on some food from the EU. Surely prices are going to go up in supermarket unless cheap food from the US?
Basically the UK has put his pence down and bent over.
The EU will not allow an extension just to kick the can down the road a bit further. Has to be for a GE, 2nd Ref, or the emergence of a cross-party majority aiming for the softest Brexit possible.
All three options will be ugly to watch, and all the while, billions will be ebbing day by day out of our economy.
Thinking about it a bit more...
I reckon the EU will only allow an extension if we participate in the EU elections - hopefully remainers will get off their arses and participate in an EU election for once - otherwise we’ll be sending a far worse bunch of nut jobs to Brussels/Strasbourg than we’ve ever sent before. But given that the end of May (the month, how I wish it was Tez) isn’t enough time, then we’ll need to participate in EU elections to secure further extensions.
She’ll try for May 23rd though - despite nothing going her way, she’ll bloody try again to push the country to a cliff edge. ****ing red lines. If anyone needed to read her own van and just go home, it’s Tez.
It was really great to see Jez seize the opportunity to eviscerate her after her speech last night...
If only Brexit had been sold honestly . . . .
I'm guessing a short-term extension will happen, I can't see the EU not agreeing to that and the UK parliament won't have agreed on anything so will be the only option vs no deal. Trouble is a 1-3 month extension isn't going to help anyone, and we'll still be in the same mess as we are after the extension expires. A longer extension won't be an option as the EU will demand certain conditions that the UK parliament won't be able to agree with (e.g. GE or referendum).
So after the short extension it will be either no deal or referendum and as neither option will get a majority we'll exit with the default position of no deal.
2nd Referendum
Did anyone here the cheers and boos in parliament when TM mentioned this as a possibility?
When she mentioned the possibility of a 2nd ref there were cheers of yes but there was a massive cheer of no, clearly much louder than the cheers for yes. It looks to me like there is no majority in parliament for a second referendum. How this pans out, I have no idea!
I missed it .. Someone tell me what reaction there was when Jezza stood up and supported a peoples vote?
It's his party policy, No?
In 15 minutes there will be 376 hours until we leave the EU ‘by automatic operation of the law’. The Westminster mob plan to waste at least 36 of these hours voting on things.
OR
So after the short extension it will be either no deal or referendum and as neither option will get a majority we’ll exit with the default position of no deal.
Either way, the outcome’s the same, which I imagine is exactly what Mogg and his chums are aiming for.
… and thinking about it, if we do apply for an extension, it’ll be for another referendum.
Or a new no redline deal, part of the customs union with freedom of movement ?
If A50 is extended do we retain the ability to revoke it and go back to current status quo after Mar 29th, or is that a time limited option?
When she mentioned the possibility of a 2nd ref there were cheers of yes but there was a massive cheer of no, clearly much louder than the cheers for yes. It looks to me like there is no majority in parliament for a second referendum. How this pans out, I have no idea!
I heard that as a massive yes, and then a quick loud NO, not that indicative but you have to remember many can't participate in the shouting..... (no free shouting yet)
On extension, Mandy was on the BBC last night, his opinions had some grounding in reality (oh how we can laugh...) the EU elections are in May, so the top team will change and no really be locked in until the autumn so it holds better for a 12 month extension.
Though that is based on something being different. It also builds more time for a vote on the outcome or process.
EU said only way to get extension is with serious proposals.
I reckon a GE, Tories are ahead in the polls, they don't have to worry about Labour.
I see this line pretty much sums up the present situation
BBC news was all like:
Numerous EU leaders expressed their dismay after MPs voted by 391 to 242 votes to reject Mrs May's deal.
Thing is, if we do end up with a "People's Vote" referendum then there is a very real possibility that it will return a Leave vote, which solves nothing. (arguably a Remain vote would solve nothing too!)
It would need to be a multi-part ballot: Q1) Leave or Remain; Q2) If the vote is to Leave then do you want a) leave with no deal b) leave with May's deal c) unicorns.
I reckon the EU will only allow an extension if we participate in the EU elections
That's my thinking too.
Resigned to leaving without a deal - now looking forward to the prospect of watching working class brexit voters getting totalled by a combination of no deal Brexit and a conservative majority for the next decade.
The UK has never learnt a lesson from war or other political foolishness, we take our economic and political stability for granted. Hopefully this will humiliate the country into having some humility.
The MPs on telly last night were saying that there was a majority for labours's Brexit plan.
Has anyone from the EU hinted that their plan is doable?
A total ****ing shambles.
It would need to be a multi-part ballot: Q1) Leave or Remain; Q2) If the vote is to Leave then do you want a) leave with no deal b) leave with May’s deal c) unicorns.
Even this has it's problems - look on Facebook or Twitter & see how many people are shouting 'let's go WTO' 'No Deal' etc...
My personal favourite tho are the Facebook comments that say 'Leave WTO' - people aren't educated enough to know what no-deal means, it's been presented as no problem or project fear.
WTO isn't even guaranteed is it?
Resigned to leaving without a deal – now looking forward to the prospect of watching working class brexit voters getting totalled by a combination of no deal Brexit and a conservative majority for the next decade.
What a lovable bloke you are. No chance of you being first against the wall come the revolution.
Resigned to leaving without a deal
There are a bunch of amendments to the no deal vote tonight that would stop that totally. Apparently the Tories are whipping against those amendments but who knows how MPs will vote in the current climate.
Apparently the Tories are whipping against those amendments but who knows how MPs will vote in the current climate.
Whipping against a free vote 😉
Having just heard the current brexit sec (what's the point in learning their names) on his slash tariffs approach to trade and a blind eye to smuggling NI Border.
Nice soundbite but I'll be waiting until the WTO and ROW/G20 wake up and reply to see how realistic that is.
now looking forward to the prospect of watching working class brexit voters getting totalled by a combination of no deal Brexit and a conservative majority for the next decade.
There was a fruit and veg trader on the radio this morning frothing at the mouth and demanding no deal. Said most of his stock comes from Europe but 'They need us more than we need them'.
A fruit and veg trader.....
Thing is, if we do end up with a “People’s Vote” referendum then there is a very real possibility that it will return a Leave vote, which solves nothing. (arguably a Remain vote would solve nothing too!)
It's worth keeping in mind that referendums are advisory (although May forgot).
We will rule out a 'no deal' tonight. (I've still got everything crossed) and tomorrow we will vote for an extension. The EU aren't open to another round of talks, and why should they, they've been at it for 2 years or more and have given a fair offer.
If the Commons can't decide they need more info from us. May's deal is probably workable, no NI MPs of all sides won't like it, and for good reason, but better to piss off the Loyalists. Only a few pig shit thick nutters want "HARD BREXIT NOW" because they're just fill of bile and that's the most destructive way to do it, they're bitter Divorcees, happy to screw themselves to screw the other party. Like the ERG, they've vocal, but few.
If I were in charge the referendum would be May's Deal v Remain, it's fair as in it's a real deal and not all the BS that was promised by the leave campaign - if the pubic vote for it, then so be it really. It's the 'pointless' option as Blair said, but not everyone is a caught up in Economics as me and the idea of being 'free' of EU regs and laws is worth the financial hardship, it's a justifiable and genuine position to take IMHO, not one I agree with.
A 3-way Hard/May/Remain vote isn't fair, it will split the Leave vote and whilst we'll win the battle, we may lose the war - the UK and the British People need to put this shit to bed for a generation a least.
For me, the Labour deal is nonsense, Corbyn seems to think he can strike a better deal with the EU that put them in a worse position and us in a better one 'because magic' it's just a way to say "we would have done it better" to the Labour Voting Leavers, there's no time, he's stuck out at every opportunity to oust the Tories via Brexit.
Light relief:
Some guy was on the radio this morning advocating No Deal and surviving by catching wild rabbits and growing potatoes in the garden.
How can you reason with people like this?
Whipping against a free vote 😉
Whipping against the amendments.
Unamended this evening's vote is pointless - it basically says that "we don't like the idea of 'No Deal' even though that's where we're certainly headed". It doesn't take anything off the table.
The amendments are trying to add teeth, effectively to compel Govt to legislate to prevent No Deal. Gov will whip against that as the logical conclusion would be that EU27 would deny our request for an extension, we don't have a deal agreed, can't leave without a deal and therefore Art. 50 has to be rescinded.
And let's not forget the lesbo traety of 2020 when the EU will make us all go gayist.
Whipping against the amendments.
Yeah hence the smiley, the other part is with the exception on ministers the whips have very little control of the party. Tory MP's fell in line as soon as it was clear it would make no difference
The more I listen to the vox pop on Radio 5 the more it reinforces my understanding of the big lie that was used to sell Brexit - not lies about money on buses or lies about immigration or sovereignty - it is the overarching lie that Brexit would somehow be simple.
Caller after caller for no deal still stating how easy it would be to just leave if MPs, Europe, Media etc would just stop complicating it all. Boris, JRM, Gove, Fox and co have a lot to answer for. History will not judge them or this period of our history well
When she mentioned the possibility of a 2nd ref there were cheers of yes but there was a massive cheer of no, clearly much louder than the cheers for yes. It looks to me like there is no majority in parliament for a second referendum. How this pans out, I have no idea!
Call and response is just part of the parliamentary theater.
The "loudest shout" isn't actually the same as a voting majority, if the majority don't want EU-Ref2 they should vote for No-deal tonight, if they vote against No-deal, it follows IMO they must want an extension, and the other 27 are probably going to expect that extension is to allow EU-Ref2 (why else would they grant it?)...
Call and response is just part of the parliamentary theater.
almost certainly, it was actually one of the quietest debates I've seen in a while with a lot less "boo cause he isn't one of us" in some ways it was the Leavers/Die Hards that got caught out not expecting anyone to interrupt the suffering leader.
So they have just said that if there’s no deal, there will be no tariffs and no controls at the Irish border. Surely under WTO that means no tariffs on goods coming from anywhere in the world? So please explain how this puts us in such a strong position to negotiate trade deals…
the Brexiteers are disaster capitalists. This is what they've wanted all along: some Ayan Rand-esque vision of regulation-free turbo-capitalism. They'll abolish all tariffs, then they'll cut corporation tax or abolish it completely, then, inevitably, having destroyed the tax base its bye bye NHS, bye bye welfare state, and everything else....
They just chose not to write this down the side of a bus
Just seen this on Sky News
Fun fact
Today marks the two year anniversary of the first time Theresa May told the Commons that "no deal was better than a bad deal".
And it could just be the day MPs vote to rule it out.
Let's imagine there is a huge majority tonight for NOT leaving with no deal. If you were the EU then, would you not be sorely tempted to refuse an extension on the grounds that when pushed into the corner of no deal being the default in 14 days time and no possibility of an extension then the only thing left is to revoke Art 50?
I’m not convinced the vocal minority is all that small.
You bought into EU myths. Here a reality check. There were only two outcomes of the EU insult (I will decline to call it a deal, it was never intended as such by them)
Either the effective annexation of northern ireland into permanent customs union so no longer under UK control or jurisdiction Inevitably alienating unionists disturbing the peace (are you listening to DUP?) Or the building of a physical border alienating republicans both sides of the border So both the EU decided and forced (not UK forced) alternatives result in trouble and EU are deliberately inciting it.The simple alternative brexiteers support of an invisible electronic border avoids the grief. No border is perferct. Northern Ireland has very few points of entry, so it would work. But it offends EU intent on humiliation using their offensive red lines. World war II started by eannexation by the third reich, the fourth reich now want to annexe northern ireland.
Sadly varadkar is caught in the EU trap himself and is a useful idiot for them. If we do not allow annexation they will force him into building the wall, or demand he accept checks in the channel and gets fined for failing to do what he is told. Which is why he is fighting us. Varadkar is deeply unpopular at home, and is trying to score points being nasty to brits.
Surely any remainers rose tinted view of brussels is now tarnished by their refusal to negotiate in good faith or even negotiate at all. Which is why none can accept the deal which relies on good faith on their part.
From anothe forum and indicative of a regular narrative that the EU hate us therefore the only choice is out at any cost.
Same poster also pretty much labelled the UK left as militant fascists. Albeit in that ever so slightly indirect way that leaves the option of the Edinburgh defence.
The tragedy of Brexit is that at every point along the way, incompetence has trumped everything else.
Twitter is full of armchair pundits, people who knew nothing about the EU five years ago but who've been repeatedly told that there are simple solutions for complex problems. There are many complaints that the EU isn't working for people who've not bothered to vote in Euro Elections and who wonder why eurosceptic parties representing UK constituencies haven't bothered to represent them.
and we are off again
In basic terms, the prime minister would renegotiate the backstop element of her Brexit deal to replace it with a free trade agreement with as-yet-unknown technology to avoid customs checks on the Irish border.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/the-malthouse-compromise-everything-you-need-to-know-brexit-vote
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105777295753691136
Twitter is full of armchair pundits, people who knew nothing about the EU five years ago but who’ve been repeatedly told that there are simple solutions for complex problems.
Peter Lily is on Five Live now saying we should leave with no deal, then SIMPLY negotiate a free trade deal from there
Anyone who uses the word 'simple' with regards to anything like this can be immmidaitely be discounted as an absolute imbecile
If we all just wish hard enough unicorns wil be real.............
and we are off again...
(Malthouse Compromise)
Utterly, utterly pointless. EU have consistently said they will not re-open the WA and these muppets expect us to go back and do so based on undefined technology that does not exist yet.
And we expect to be taken seriously?
Yeah but we have a couple of weeks to sort that. Simples.
free vote on malthouse, but not spelman.... tail wagging dog again
What is Malthouse? I've heard it mentioned a few times today - & I really can't be bothered to google it just now.
You gov are currently rolling out what reads like pre election survey, people are starting their polling - I expect printers are getting the calls soon.
free vote on malthouse, but not spelman…. tail wagging dog again
Gien the number of splitters and quitters she had the chance to get rid of her problem there.
What is Malthouse?
The local Wetherspoons?
It’s an amendment that they just all say “Bollocks to Brexit” and head, en masse, to the ‘Spoons and drink themselves into oblivion
What is Malthouse?
Its using magic (well unknown technology) to solve the NI issue.
Some quick fudging and a year added onto the transition and then, when the technology doesnt work, a no-deal brexit.
now looking forward to the prospect of watching working class brexit voters getting totalled by a combination of no deal Brexit and a conservative majority for the next decade.
And you wonder why they voted for brexit?
If this is accurate - there'll be no extension...
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1105797205712093184
Contrasting the statements coming from the EU and the UK Government I know which one I'd prefer to be in charge at the moment. Sound, rational statements, based in fact and reflecting the situation in hand vs UNICORNS!
And you wonder why they voted for brexit?
To stick it to the jet setting ski loving internationally conspiring non elected elites (see PrinceJohn's post).
If this is accurate – there’ll be no extension…
To add to this…
https://twitter.com/j_amesp/status/1104063446105161728?s=21
Let’s imagine there is a huge majority tonight for NOT leaving with no deal. If you were the EU then, would you not be sorely tempted to refuse an extension on the grounds that when pushed into the corner of no deal being the default in 14 days time and no possibility of an extension then the only thing left is to revoke Art 50?
But the law right now is that we will leave on March 29, with or without a deal. Until that law is changed, parliamentary votes on anything are worthless.
They're in a corner from which there is no way out.
At this stage I think it could go either way. They might vote against a no-deal later today but unless they actually pass legislation to either ask for an extension (subject of course to the EU actually agreeing to an extension) or to revoke A50, no-deal is still the default option as per A50 which is currently in place.
I want the Queen to dissolve Parliament, sack the Government, revoke Article 50 and take charge. It'd be hilarious watching the Daily Wail trying to reconcile the Queen of England (who everyone loves and adores) keeping us in the EU (which is against the will of the people).
Or for the end of Blackadder Back & Forth to be true cos right now I'd settle for King Edmund, Queen Marian of Sherwood and Prime Minister Baldrick.
Let’s imagine there is a huge majority tonight for NOT leaving with no deal. If you were the EU then, would you not be sorely tempted to refuse an extension on the grounds that when pushed into the corner of no deal being the default in 14 days time and no possibility of an extension then the only thing left is to revoke Art 50?
Not without either a vote in the commons to change the A50 law they previously voted in, or another Referendum where overturning the A50 law is essentially one of the options (requiring an extension with EU support, and of course for parliament to effectively break said law, because they went and put a date and time on it)...
MPs won't do the first because the Brexiteers will Cry "Betrayal" and if they do the second they're simply breaking a stupid "Law" (that they put in place) which may or may not be overturned as a result of the 2nd referendum, and Brexiteers will still call it a "Betrayal" even if it reflects a "Peoples vote" the only way for MPs to keep most of those those 17m Brexiteers happy now will be to Vote to leave without a deal tonight. Anything else burns them with Moggy, the ERG DM readers and ~1/3rd of the electorate...
Amendment time
What's the Spelman/Dromey amendment?
A bit more on those amendments which we're likely to hear a lot more about over the coming hours.Spelman/Dromey amendment: The amendment from Labour MP Jack Dromey and Conservative Caroline Spelman also changes the wording of the government motion to "this House rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship".
Malthouse Compromise: This amendment sets out the process for a "managed no-deal". It requests:
The government publish tariff schedules
An extension of leaving to 22 May 2019
'Mutual standstill agreements' between the UK and EU until the end of 2021, including payments to the EU
A unilateral guarantee of citizens' rights
It is called the Malthouse compromise because it was put together by Conservative minister Kit Malthouse, but it has been tabled in the name of former Conservative minister Damian Green.It is supported by members of the Brexiteer European Research Group of Conservative MPs and former Remain supporters such as Mr Green and Nicky Morgan.
The Independent Group amendments: One amendment states that "under no circumstances" should the UK leave without a deal, listing the alternatives as revocation of the UK's intention to leave, extension of the Article 50 period or a second referendum.
A second amendment scraps the second half of the government motion, shortening it to: "that this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019"
It has been tabled by the Independent Group, which consists of eight former Labour MPs and three former Tories, who are all supporters of another EU referendum, and who quit their parties in protest at their Brexit policies.
Plaid Cymru amendment: It calls for an extension to the Article 50 leaving process to 2021, or until a future relationship is agreed.The amendment also requests a second referendum to take place, on whether or not the UK should leave with the agreed deal, or remain in the EU.
Cancel Brexit amendment: One final amendment has been tabled by former Tory Chancellor Ken Clarke, Labour's Keith Vaz and the SNP's Angus MacNeil.
It simply calls for the revocation of Article 50 to cancel Brexit.
None selected so far and the order will be critical - IE same people will not want the Plan Bollocks to the lot of you one last