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I remember reading that first chaper in Ian Dunt's book and thinking, "Ok, that's enough doom...like that would [i]ever[/i] happen." 😆
Oh...
Led by a PM who doesn't know how she would vote if there was another referendum.
or does but wouldn't say.
and she certainly failed to go Brexit-all-in when given the chance.
Are the quitter channels apoplectic this AM?
[quote=DrJ ]The interesting bit is that she is so weak and spineless that she feels unable to stick to her principles even in a radio interview.
I presume because she still has to pretend to the loony fringes, because that's the only way of maintaining any semblance of control over them (which to be fair would be the case even if she wasn't so weak). Damian Green at least doesn't have any such qualms
Liz Truss on Brexit just now:
[b]since we've left[/b] it's been more positive
FFS!
it's this sort of weaseling about that gives politicians a bad reputation.
yes, Corbyn is a lot better at avoiding making any binding statements...
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-says-no-deal-brexit-11324138 ]Hammond going off-message and letting that nasty 'reality' business intrude on the flag-waving bonkersness[/url]
I think Phil, despite looking like a particularly depressed funeral director, is actually enjoying himself winding up the loonies. Well if Boris can swan about doing what he bloody well likes, why not?
yes, Corbyn is a lot better at avoiding making any binding statements...
quick some whataboutery to distract from the Tory Brexishambles!
yes, Corbyn is a lot better at avoiding making any binding statements...
if you think i was suggesting that then let me disabuse you of that notion now. 😉
We are well into the realms of fantasy land if folk expect the PM to go on radio and state she is opposed to Brexshit in the middle of leading the negotiations
We are well into the realms of fantasy land if folk expect the PM to go on radio and state she is opposed to Brexshit in the middle of leading the negotiations
I don't think we expected that. I think we might have hoped that she would either lie convincingly or else avoid the question a bit more artfully than just flopping around like a newly landed fish.
or else avoid the question a bit more artfully than just flopping around like a newly landed fish.
You're familiar with her recent 'Strong and Stable' work then? 😆
We are well into the realms of fantasy land if folk expect the PM to go on radio and state she is opposed to Brexshit in the middle of leading the negotiations
She has seen all the studies, she is the best placed person to know whether brexit is a good idea. It really isn't a hard question, is it good or bad. That she can't say it is a good idea might give a hint of the truth.
Time for politicians to start telling the truth, will of the people or not, if it is going to be a disaster then it is time to start telling the truth not hiding behind meaningless soundbites.
By not spelling out the realities, it only makes things worse later when people realise they have been betrayed.
Quite intriguing.
Has anyone here come to regret their choice?
[quote=teamhurtmore ]We are well into the realms of fantasy land if folk expect the PM to go on radio and state she is opposed to Brexshit in the middle of leading the negotiations
It's a disingenuous answer either way, because she must have an opinion one way or the other, and if she was in favour of Brexit it would be really easy for her to say so.
Of course the actual reason for her refusing to answer is nothing to do with the negotiations (where I suspect the EU might even be happier dealing with her if she was prepared to admit that). But then you know that don't you?
Who knows what to expect of May anymore, as she lurches from one own-goal to the next.
Whatever her talents may be it's obvious that doing interviews, public speaking or interacting with actual people are not among them.
We are well into the realms of fantasy land if folk expect the PM to go on radio and state she is opposed to Brexshit in the middle of leading the negotiations
I dont think it matters as her "refusal" let us know the answer anyway.
As aracer noted she stayed stum to appease Tories not to say anything to the EU. It was to paper over obvious cracks within her own party not to make the ice lady more potent when whacking the EU negotiators into submission. If you think that performance scared them then you are the delusional one.
Its a loaded question and she could have just said my personal opinion is of no relevance i serve the people and their will is clear so I will do my duty for the country I love and so proudly serve.
Its not hard to not make a pigs ear of it ....even I have the diplomacy to do this 😉
Has anyone here come to regret their choice?
Not regret, but I think I might vote Brexit now, but there have been plenty of polls and they consistently show there is no major movement and a significant majority is against a further referendum.
The people who should regret are those who didn't vote at all. I think that if there were to be a second referendum any difference would come from those didn't vote first time around.
Would be funny to see a 2nd ref
Johnson would back remain if he thought it'd make him PM ! THE
The main parties so split on it all
The Tories still chewing pieces off each other over Europe hence Maybot being the weakest PM in a generation !
Would there be another bus of lies for the gullible though ?
Probably but it would be sponsored by remoaners this time
plenty of polls and they consistently show there is no major movement and a significant majority is against a further referendum
Since when has the will of the people been important (on this thread)?
The minority must prevail...call it all off now 😀
But it is ok, JC is going to veto "NO deal", poor chump hasn't worked out that he has already voted for it.
Isn't he going for a "jobs first Brexshit" ?
Sounds a sure fire winner with his mates.
I think you'll find that May is the master of empty soundbites !
The remoaner bus could be that Peter Norths revised Brexit vision of decimation...
Brexit at any cost did May say today?
I do love this idea that a one off vote settles UK policy for ever and cannot be changed.
Its a simply ludicrous suggestion. Of course another referendum can be held especially now that the true picture of disaster is getting harder and harder to hide.
thats how democracy works.
mefty - MemberNot regret, but I think I might vote Brexit now, but there have been plenty of polls and they consistently show there is no major movement and a significant majority is against a further referendum.
Nonsense. Are right wing brexiteers unable to see the reality? It is absolutly clear that a second referendum would have a large remain majority
http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/britain-would-vote-to-remain-in-the-eu-in-second-referendum-6749358/
and numerous o0ther sources.
[quitling]But Labour...[/quitling]
Of course another referendum can be held
What was that definition of insanity again?
This article in today's Guardian sums up the [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/10/brexit-cliff-edge-eu-hardline-thatcherism-uk-economy ]Unhinged lunacy of the extremists presently driving current Brexit policy[/url]
It's not that they don't know about the shitstorm they're ushering in. They know alright, but they just dont care.
Why? Because the 'little people' will suffer immeasurabley, but they'll do alright, right? So it's all good!
Well....
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There are many Tory MP's, who are actually sane, who are (privately) expressing the view that this is where it'll end up if the fruit loop hardliners get the Turbo-Thatcherite, regulation and tax free, corporate wet dream Brexit they've longed for
Mefty - are you going to thank TJ for posting a link that proved your point and falsified his?
To post it with "nonsense" too is comic value over and above the call of duty
Remoaners ability to make things up is outstanding. Will the tag team be able to trump it?
thecaptain - Member
Of course another referendum can be held
What was that definition of insanity again?
it only stands if you get the same answer. Its clear it would be a large remain majority
No, it stands if you expect a different answer. Oops.
🙂
Was this not what you were arguing would be the outcome the second definitive one ?I do love this idea that a one off vote settles UK policy for ever and cannot be changed.
I think their should be another but think it is unlikely unless MP's grow a back bone.
teamhurtmore - Member
Probably but it would be sponsored by remoaners this time
Just for fun of course... what would you write on the bus?
Im not sure, about a 2nd vote would go, I think plenty of people believe the hype about it being all the EUs fault that they haven't immediately capitulated as the brexies said they would.
The messy compromises of reality, transitions etc, not nearly as exciting as the swashbuckling fantasy !
Tho watching Davis & May waste time with pointless elections and whining about no trade talks, you'd think that the easiest trade deals in history, and us holding all the cards the day after the vote, not threatening our place in the single market ..... 🙂 some people might have realised theres not gonna be any cake?
[quote=thecaptain ]What was that definition of insanity again?
Is it carrying on doing something which is quite clearly shit, because a snapshot of public opinion was marginally in favour?
I think plenty of people believe the hype about it being an the EUs fault
I said this pages back - it would become the new narrative. Even those who claim to have voted remain now bleat it continuously - either it’s the EU’s fault or “imagine this in Labour’s hands”. It’s party-line above all else.
Is it carrying on doing something which is quite clearly shit, because a snapshot of public opinion was marginally in favour?
It's a little bit more complicated than einsteins definition of insanity in this context. But not by much.
Given that most tories are incredibly rich and rely on thier offshore investments, and tax dodges they are essentially slaves to external influence masquerading as a government to preserve thier personal wealth.
They grabbed the ball and they've run right down the pitch with it.
The leavers can't say anything about it because that is what they voted for, the remainers are just like WTF.
Just for fun of course... what would you write on the bus?
"Are we there yet?"
Couldn't you guess?!? 😉
But I would miss the comedy gold moments like ^ once this is over.
Shirley it'd be 'Look out, Cliff !'
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Those pesky cliffs. Getting in the way of progress.
Mefty - are you going to thank TJ for posting a link that proved your point and falsified his?
To be honest I didn't bother reading it, but as you drew my attention to it and no doubt his, I rather enjoyed the payoff line in the article he subsequently posted
“depressing findings overall for remaining Remainers and those in favor of a soft Brexit. Public opinion seems hostile to things that would keep us in the single market, to voting again and to paying what it seems the EU might ask us for. Strikingly, all this despite confidence in the outcome waning.”
Looking forward to less of this sort of thing after 2019
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/moths-ivy-eating-uk-europe-migration-a7994786.html
Mefty - are you going to thank TJ for posting a link that proved your point and falsified his?
Actually it proved my point and showed how false his is
Polls clearly show an increasing number of people want a second referendum and that an increasing number want to remain. those are the simple facts. Far righties can falsify and misrepresent but the truth is clear.