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But then what happens to the backlog of legislation that needs to get through parliament to underpin No Deal?
Easy. Unicorns.
Isn’t that what the transition period is for?
No Deal = no transition period. All we have is the EU's olive branch to stop us being as completely shafted as we would be if we 'just left'.
Genius - May has just told parliment it was their fault it wasnt sorted out befoe Christmas.
Come March 28th, I’ll bet one of my lesser-used internal organs that May will be in Brussels begging for an extension, like a University student who’s spent the last three months consuming their own bodyweight in Diamond White and then suddenly realised that their assignment is due tomorrow and they’ve got as far as writing the title page.
Well she er does have a form for porkie pies.
I wouldn't want to take bets on this thou.
Regardless of no-deal or may-deal her party will still be in charge so it's a win-win for them without lifting a finger.
Anything else but No Deal would involve both our political parties putting the interests of the country before their own narrow self-aggrandising, showboating nonsense and somehow managing to not act like a gang of incompetent clowns
As such, No Deal it most definitely is. No question.
I'm trying to take the positives, and all I can think is that as we dissolve into anarchy its going to be a lot of fun looking for a righteous vengeance on those who's fault it all is...
No Deal = no transition period.
Oops sorry misread it. Got my deal/no-deal/unicorns mixed up.
deal or no deal, there isn't the time to pass the laws that need to be passed. So realistically an extension is needed for that reason.
Gibraltarians want to stay in the
UKEU…
We're screwing them over now over EU membership … and all the talk is over customs arrangements etc, which excludes them … so how exactly is the UK doing anything now that is in the interests of Gibraltar? Why would you think that it is anything but an inconvenient afterthought for our politicians back here?
there isn’t the time to pass the laws that need to be passed
Unless all our normal democratic conventions are overturned, and the government just rules by degree, with no oversight or votes in either parliament. The powers to do this were in the bills passed to enable Brexit… and those of us that pointed that out were decried as "scaremongers" and that the powers were only theoretical, and that such an abandonment of our democratic norms would never be allowed…
deal or no deal, there isn’t the time to pass the laws that need to be passed. So realistically an extension is needed for that reason.
Unfortunately, May today has said that she will fast-track them as there is no need for scrutiny.. this makes me very worried.
Saw a nice idiot Facebook thread full of brexit fans talking about riots. They were simultaneously saying of course there won't be riots if we leave we're British and we don't do that sort of thing but if we don't leave then you can expect riots.
Unfortunately, May today has said that she will fast-track them as there is no need for scrutiny.. this makes me very worried.
short of rubber stamping there isn't the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
short of rubber stamping there isn’t the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
I'm amazed nobody had pointed out that was likely....
Unfortunately, May today has said that she will fast-track them as there is no need for scrutiny.. this makes me very worried.
short of rubber stamping there isn’t the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
I don't actually reckon she gives a chuff , there's probably a masterplan we haven't seen yet to override the lot
Wasn't she the one trying to bring in special powers to surveillance any member of the UK population?
I don’t actually reckon she gives a chuff , there’s probably a masterplan we haven’t seen yet to override the lot
Wasn’t she the one trying to bring in special powers to surveillance any member of the UK population?
Whilst im not cynical at all, and don’t own a tin foil hat..
You have a point.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
She's been at it since the word go. If she put as much effort into finding solutions to the countries problems as she did in avoiding any scrutiny and oversight by all means possible, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place
Brexit was always a power grab by the executive. And she's always acted like a tinpot dictator. All she needs is some gold epaulets and some nice shiny medals she'd awarded herself. I reckon she'd quite relish the opportunity to put troops on the streets and declare Martial Law.
These are strange times indeed - pretty sure at any other point in history, Chris Grayling would've resigned/been sacked by now.
Quick question, does our parliamentary procedures allow the government to ask the house to vote on the same question twice? i.e. if May gets nothing new from the EU can she ask them to vote again on her deal even though it's been rejected once already.
Thanks.
My understanding is: technically no, but anything is possible in extreme circumstances.
So yes, at the moment...
My guess is she'll knock the vote back, coming up with the usual 'dog ate my homework' cobblers, until 11.55pm on the 28th March
She might wait 'till Monday the 1st April.
Which MP wouldn't vote in favour of "any" Withdrawl Agreement that took us back under the umbrella of the EU for a period of time, in that situation? Except the ERG&DUP perhaps.
No idea if that would legally and constitutionally be possible… but that wouldn't stop May.
She might wait ’till Monday the 1st April.
If she doesn't present it somebody will - if she toys with them enough that should be it for her. There are enough to force her to do something. All this BS about being strong and seeing it through must be getting a few tories riled up - especially those in remain areas. They know she is finished after March so owe her no loyalty especially if it looks like a lunatic taking over.
Just thinking we're getting close to the latest that a no confidence motion could be heard before its too late to change anything. I know she'd get 14 days before they need a general election, but even then there would need to be a vote to delay a50 as well, and the eu would need to agree to a delay. With the eu summit on 22 March I guess that means a successful no confidence vote before the end of February otherwise she can just ride the burning wreck into the ground.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1095325385510793217
not quite sure what to say. illegal to pass the legislation, without passing more legislationn first, and no time.
So it's back to crash out or stay? That makes a bit of a difference. What chance of election do you have as a tory with reports of food shortages and medicine rations? Massive hit to the pound and more?
Anyone thought about what they're going to do in the event of no deal
Even the news aren't leading with brexit no more
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Honestly I have permanent residency back in Oz for a few more years, if it gets dicey that is an option. I will be seeing what goes on with work and how it effects out clients and hence my work.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Carry on as now. Pay a bit more for stuff that is imported but other than that nothing for me to worry about. Clearly many won't be that lucky.
I’ve figured out what Leadsom’s superpower is.
Complacency. She just bleats, her stupid gerbil eyes peering out and genuinely thinking she’s ‘got it’, she knows what is going on.
She’s utterly inept, as is May and they are being marched (along with the rest of us) to the cliff edge by a bunch of political lightweights who have been emboldened by being allowed to get away with too much for too long.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Yes - will have to find out about booking plane tickets so I can visit my wife (damned forriner) on the weekends.
I’ve figured out what Leadsom’s superpower is.
Complacency.
That seems to be a defining characteristic of the May government. Grayling is the best example, his silly grinning face on the front of a totally empty skull.
My guess is she’ll knock the vote back, coming up with the usual ‘dog ate my homework’ cobblers, until 11.55pm on the 28th March
I think that's been clear for a while - using the dysfunctional procedures of our moribund parliament to prevent any proper discussion of alternatives or decision in a rational way. I'm almost hoping for a no deal so the whole f'ing place burns down.
The Maybot has form when it comes to tight deadlines. DRIPA 2014 was rushed through in the same manner as she's trying to rush the WA through..
‘Overheard’ in a bar...
So Britain's negociator has totally lost sight of the fact he needs the unanimous agreement of 27 countires to extend Art. 50 and I can think of a couple who have good reason to not play ball unless bribed. Dick.
and that an extension needs the UK to either get rid of red lines or cough up something else.
I’m afraid that idiots have been given examples of specious reasoning to justify their idiotic conclusions – glib phrases like “well, it’s just a theory”
"Project Fear"
Dave down the pub’s problem is invariably he does not have the intellect or educative experience to appreciate what a dumbf*** he is on a subject or how useless his source material is.
Well documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Saw a nice idiot Facebook thread full of brexit fans talking about riots.
Let them. It'll be about a dozen gammons shouting at people until opening time.
Brexit was always a power grab by the executive.
Of course. Demonstrably by the fact that the first thing the Tories did post-referendum was fall into a court case to attempt to usurp power from parliament. "Take back control."
Re delaying A50 - if Europe won’t agree a delay, we can revoke & re-trigger.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Campaign for Scottish Independence
French newspaper are saying the only extension you will get is up to EU elections in May .
The way it is going , I doubt the UK will have made much progress by then .
https://www.flickr.com/photos/169636755@N07/32133720787/in/dateposted-public/
t least Mark Carney is on side
Any extension would be shorter than that.
Faced with a cliff edge MPs will back Mays deal.
May just needs enough time to rubber stamp through whatever repressive & shoddy legislation she needs (her time at home office, last 2.5yrs of avoiding any scrutiny of Brexit & lie after lie after lie- indicate that's exactly what she will do)
Then resign & call an early GE in May.
The legacy of the rushed through legislation will be a problem for someone else.
Or we get a No deal & get to watch MPs spend a decade arguing over which rights we will give away to secure trade deals & keep manufacturers here
Re delaying A50 – if Europe won’t agree a delay, we can revoke & re-trigger.
In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
I cant see the EU, if given some hope it would help, challenging an extension. After all whilst it will hurt the UK a lot more a hard brexit will be rather unpleasant for the the EU. Its just whether they have any confidence that the extension will change things which is the concerning thing. I wouldnt have currently since the maybot is dancing to the ERG and DUP wishes whilst the more sensible tories are letting love of the tories override telling her to get her act in order.
In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.
Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.
we can revoke, and the eu does have a nuclear option of expelling a member. So revoking and then pissing about isn't going to go down well.
After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
(Checks rulings) … looks very clear to me.
I suspect we'd need a new PM for that to take place though. And there is no time left for that. We're all May's bitches for now.
And, rescinding and then triggering again (sooner rather than later) would result in even less trust in the UK worldwide.
If we rescind, realistically it'll be after the next election 'till we could trigger again. But then… if we go ahead and leave now… we still won't have resolved our new position by the next election anyway. That's going to be a messy campaign, and Brexit obsessed, no matter what we do this year…
Just a reminder that grayling is only still a minister coz of Brexit
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1095305351589695488?s=19
Presumably the above document just refers to the 40 or so existing trade agreements with the EU that we are currently part of, and getting agreement to carry on as before. No more and no less. However, I also guess, that any of these agreements that we can agree to carry on with will be dependent upon nothing changing from how it is now. So should we choose to diverge on regulations from those currently agreed, say for example we approve the use of GM crops or hormones in beef (so that we can cut a deal with the US) then all those agreements are up for renegotiation. In other words, to keep them longer term as is, without renegotiation, basically means we continue to align exactly with actual EU rules and regs?
Or am I missing something here?
That appears to be a fair assessment.
This tries to explain what the Swiss agreement looks to be - carry on as usual for the transition period. Doesn't apply in the case of no-deal.
It's written by a trade expert though, so you can instantly dismiss it by shouting 'GATT Article XXIV!' if you so desire.
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2019/02/12/uk-and-swiss-trade-post-brexit
So Olly Robbins has been overheard saying the vote will be Mays deal or extending article 50
Its just more can-kicking though, isn't it? It'll resolve absolutely nothing. The Tory party will carry on having an internal war with itself but not actually getting anywhere, and the labour party will sit impotently watching on, while Jeremy daydreams of his fantasy Socialist Brexit (Sexit?)
I wonder if Theresa is simply trying to bore everyone into submission with an eternal groundhog day, like a sort of political Jose Mourhino
Just a reminder that grayling is only still a minister coz of Brexit
Amber rudd same boat
Within 24 hours of Amber Rudd from the UK Government damning the ‘reckless few playing fast and loose with people’s futures’, a report by i-News exposed as an egregious example the, er, UK government.
Headlined ‘Armed forces budget faces “huge” £3billion pension black hole’,
The 7.25 trillion in promises includes NHS pensions which only has 2.5 trillion in the pot to cover it.....
And these people are leading us into the brightest future of the century if we hold our nerve
It might get worse yet. Government ministers are today to hold talks with the shadow cabinet.
Just imagine..... the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?
That'll soon get everything sorted
"When I voted to leave I didn't think it would change anything for my rights to live here" -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47214093
“When I voted to leave I didn’t think it would change anything for my rights to live here” – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47214093/blockquote >
But leave-voters aren't thick, oh no.
Just imagine….. the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?
Still on the same racist bandwagon, eh?
Especially as Spain doesn't do dual nationality so staying in Spain is going to be a lot harder (more expensive) than staying in France where people are finding it easy to get dual nationality.
Its just more can-kicking though, isn’t it? It’ll resolve absolutely nothing.
The odds of an election in May are looking up. If May gets her deal through, it's job done and she'll step aside to honour her promise to tory backbenchers. If she doesn't, she'll have failed on the single task her administration is based on and will need to step aside.
Maybot is worried that a second referendum would make a mockery of British politics...it says on one of the papers
Errrmmmmmmm
Still on the same racist bandwagon, eh?
What's racist about it?
Its the default, knee-jerk, Corbynista position when its pointed out that Dianne isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box, and most people wouldn't trust her to run a bath.
You are allowed to criticise Chris grayling though, because he's a white bloke. And a Tory.
Best to steer clear of anyone Jewish though.Unless you're sending them a death threat by anonymous Tweet
Anyway... talking of Labour, theres some shadow minister on Five Live at the moment. To quote Theresa herself 'nothing has changed'. Labour policy is still that Jeremy is apparently going to go to Brussels and negotiate a cake and eat it Brexit, ending freedom of movement, while retaining access to everything else, but not paying for it
Hurray! Cake for everybody!!!!
Dianne Abbot is not stupid. Far from it.
She is very weak at media interviews.
And getting worse.
Chris Grayling on the other hand is a master of eating up interview time without saying anything at all.
As for the cake eating, Corbyn even used the term "maintaining frictionless trade" again in parliament yesterday, while still insisting that FoM ends. He is stuck where May was approximately two years ago…
Dianne Abbot is not stupid. Far from it.
She is very weak at media interviews.
And getting worse.
Agree. Anyone weak with media these days need to go as that is what getting elected is all about (Corbyn needs to go for same reason). Policies seem secondary.
Its the default, knee-jerk, Corbynista position when its pointed out that Dianne isn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the box
Not really - it's the result of wondering why you would make an obviously untrue claim about someone, particularly when that someone was not even part of the discussion. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing up Dianne Abbot and disparaging her intellect? (How is YOUR intellect by the way? How is YOUR Cambridge first ??)
Who's Diane Abbott?
My best mate has a saying about his incredibly well qualified brother:
"He could calculate how many beans were in a tin but he couldn't tell you how to open the ****er"
indeed
If Brexit has shown us anything, across both parties, is the absolute wilful ignorance and total ineptitude from people who've had the most expensive educations money can buy. You know Chris Grayling went to Cambridge too, right? Think he's doing a good job too?
Abbot is doing an awful job. Piling in on her and calling her stupid is suspicious though, is it not? Considering she is the most abused MP on Social Media, "for some reason".
Anyway… let's get this back on topic… listening to Abbot defending Labour's current immigration policy is quite painful for me. The vilification of FoM by the Labour front bench has equalled that of the Tory front bench this year… they have gone from pretending that losing FoM is an unfortunate side effect of leaving the Single Market, to actively pushing for the ending of it at any cost.
Think he’s doing a good job too?
Clearly not, but he is not the one who is being brought up in a discussion unrelated to his responsibilities via inaccurate description of his intelligence.
Whatevs....
Anyway.... as one of our resident Corbyn fan bois could you talk us though magic grandads policy on Brexit, because to me its just more cakist nonsense?
Do you not think its ridiculous, at this stage in the game, that the labour leader is presently advocating the same policy that Boris Johnson was saying he could sort out 2 an a half years ago?
Seems about as credible as Mays latest ‘Narnia Plus’ option
Sorry to disappoint but I'm far from a fanboi. As most people know very well, JC is pro-Brexit, which will quite screw up my life. I've said a few times that there is no difference between his position and May's shitty deal.
Depressing, isn't it?
I'm struggling to understand how Kier Starmer can remain in the cabinet after having Corbyn remove his commitment to a second referendum from his letter to May after it had been agreed.
Yet another example of Corbyns legendary commitment to restoring democracy to the party, and in no way just ignoring everyone else and doing what the hell he likes, like some tinpot dictator
Just imagine….. the combined intellectual heft of Chris Grayling and Dianne Abbott?
A black, female, working class daughter of immigrants, who got into Cambridge in the 1970s. Anyone achieving that despite multiple disadvantages clearly has plenty of brain power, and to suggest otherwise says much about you.
I’m struggling to understand how Kier Starmer can remain in the cabinet after having Corbyn remove his commitment to a second referendum from his letter to May after it had been agreed.
Because unlike some of the children in the room he probably understands he has more influence in the room rather than outside of it, for instance if there are cabinet/shadow cabinet meetings then he will actually be in them
How is this possible? Is it the same as my local MP changing party? What would happen if my local MP suddenly did this?!
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1095667469757435905
Happens more than you think
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_politicians_who_have_crossed_the_floor
Because unlike some of the children in the room he probably understands he has more influence in the room rather than outside of it, for instance if there are cabinet/shadow cabinet meetings then he will actually be in them
Sounds a bit like remaining in the EU really?