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May, no plan and thoroughly incompetent and unable to put any kind of fear into her MP's or listen to them - you either need to lead or listen.
Do I get points for being able to read the question and know who has been a PM?
Mays problem has been the lies.........
She lied to Business- that she could keep frictionless trade & lied that Nissan didnt get extra cash
She lied to the EU- signed the WA, then reneged on it, lied that she wouldnt go round barnier & tried twice to go straight to heads of state, icluding the googletranslate letter farce
She lied to MPs (first about no GE) then later about when the meaningful b=vote would be etc
She lied to her party- when she said last december that teh backstop wasnt the CU (they were too dumb to notice, it was only when geoffry Cox pointed it out they got uset)
She lied to voters when she said that she thought 'No Deal was better than a bad deal' which is bollox coz her deal is a bad deal yet she knows that No deal is much worse....
I know all politicians lie, but she has eroded all trust, Im amazed she doesnt get called out more often
Thatcher was truly the spawn of satan, but you knew exactly what she was about. She was on a mission, and there was no ambiguity whatsoever about what it was.
May has absolutely no discernible philosophy, ideology, direction or purpose other than trying to hold the Tory party together at all costs, and cling on to power by her fingertips, even if this means wreaking economic devastation on the entire country.
I honestly believe that if Thatcher would take one look at this present shower, all of whom claim to idolise her, she would be absolutely appalled by the lot of them
Thatcher was truly the spawn of satan,
Oh don’t be so f*****g ridiculous. 🙄
Thatcher was worse. I mean May has flushed the UK and everyone in it down the toilet, by being useless. But Thatcher systematically dismantled society on purpose.
May has a purpose, she hates difference, she hates foreigners, she will not accept that anyone who might disagree with her is worth wasting her time on.
A timely article in todays Guardian by George Monbiot. just to reinforce whats coming in the event of whats looking more likely by the day... who exactly benefits from a no deal brexit
Why disaster capitalists are praying for a no-deal Brexit
If we crash out of Europe, the dark money that helped to buy Brexit will strive to use this opportunity to tear down our regulations: this, after all, was the point of the exercise.
If you wanted evidence of the desirability of belonging to a large trading bloc, that HuffPost article is it.
Have we done...
This article by Mark Steel is worth a read
Who does Donald Tusk think he is? We’ve always been so civil with these ‘EU dirty rats’
But Thatcher systematically dismantled society on purpose.
Bilge.
She took on an enormous pile of crap and changed it into an enormous pile of different-smelling crap with shiny bits in it. 🙄
Further to the USA is run by corporations video up the way - here's what they want from us post Brexit...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64
Has this been done? Heathrow stockpiling rubber gloves in the event of a no deal to avoid stinky pinkie for security officials.
Brexit Command and Control (sic) Centre hiring at £300 to £400 a day.
and CV in the post 😉 If you can't beat them take the money and have an escape plan
If you wish to amuse yourself for the next hr by shouting at the radio then the long steak of damp piss otherwise known as rees mog is on LBC, the callers have been the usual bunch of ****in idiots so far-we need a cull.
Brexit Command and Control (sic) Centre hiring at £300 to £400 a day.
Blimey, that’s going to put a dent in the £350m a week for the NHS.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Only if you’ve killed thousands of people in a hilarious pipette mixup disaster. You’re going to have to blend in with the bosses, remember, you can’t go embarrassing them by not ballsing up everything you touch. That is not the Brexit way.
I’ll sort if for ten million quid (way less than what this nonsense will cost). Mind you it will only take the time it takes to download the ‘Application for Membership’ form from the E.U. website, so my hourly rate would be high.
“Just sign at the bottom, minister, then **** off if you’d be so kind”.
Wonder if I could.use.my QA background in pharma for a role there.
Can you adapt to a rapidly changing set of rules, ignore everything inconvenient, accept being ignored when you say something nobody wants to hear and deal with so much bad news it could power a space ship?
Can you adapt to a rapidly changing set of rules, ignore everything inconvenient, accept being ignored when you say something nobody wants to hear and deal with so much bad news it could power a space ship?
Keeping a straight face will also be a key competency.
Their biggest problem is that their first two interview questions, presumably, are incompatible:
Do you believe in Brexit?
Is your IQ in excess of your shoe size?
If the required answer to both of those questions is ‘yes’ then they’re recruiting from a pool of precisely zero.
If the required answer to both of those questions is ‘yes’ then they’re recruiting from a pool of precisely zero.
Hence the question that overrides them all "Will you sell your soul for £400/day"
Hence the question that overrides them all “Will you sell your soul for £400/day”
You see, I still wouldn’t be able resist it.
“So, dannyh, will you sell your soul for £400/day?”
“Yes, but only if the NHS still gets its extra £350m per week”.
“OUT! We mustn’t have unpatriotic people here”.
and in todays, isn't Brexit so personally wonderful, I got called a provo, years since last time, starting thinking can't remember being called a taig? This brexit is really going well.
Farage has started his own party.
Thatcher was truly the spawn of satan,
A rather simplistic worldview.
Had plenty of crap policies (in my opinion) but also had limits on them. Problem with the ERG and co is their starting point is way beyond where she decided it should stop.
That said as a comparison Thatcher got lucky compared to May.
Her cutting back of the military gave the Argentinians the idea they could take the Falklands but hadnt fully kicked in by the time they tried it. A year later and it would have probably been impossible to retake them thanks to the cuts she was imposing. As it was with the cost of lives she managed to portray herself as a heroine (whereas the previous Labour government had dealt with the Argentinian threats by the casual mention that they had sent a hunter-killer sub to the area which, as per the interaction in the war, would have been more than capable of wrecking the Argentinian navy)
Likewise with Scargill. She got someone who made serious strategic errors. That plus the oil boom let her get past many really poor decisions.
mickmcd
Farage has started his own party
Splitter
Holy shit ...recognised by the electoral commission
Wonder if he could possibly be PM
mattyfez
It does not matter, the UK was never going to get a better deal than it already had.. So the placement of the anchor was, and still is, largely irrelevant.
There's a hell of a lot of room between the status quo and May's walking abortion of a deal.
There was a gammon on C4 news earlier. He voted leave and bought a house in Spain. Now he's surprised and disappointed to discover that ending FOM affects him and "proper Europeans" as he put it, and not just Eastern Europeans.
And these people object to being called "thick"?
Wonder if he could possibly be PM
You really need to work on those ironic smileys.
“So, dannyh, will you sell your soul for £400/day?”
“Yes, but only if the NHS still gets its extra £350m per week”.
“OUT! We mustn’t have unpatriotic people here”.
My true consultant might just come out and get in to take the cash and smash it from the inside
Can you adapt to a rapidly changing set of rules, ignore everything inconvenient, accept being ignored when you say something nobody wants to hear and deal with so much bad news it could power a space ship?
Yes. If I was taking money to deliver a shit deal for brexiters, I'd still be laughing about it on my death bed.
So it turns the ferry company with no ships can't deliver.
Of course it's definitely not Chris Graylings fault, but I'm sure people will try & blame him simply because he's a brexiteer.....
And we all know that brexiteers aren't responsible for the farce of Brexit
2 colleagues have friends working in the civil service, working on brexit.
One advised colleague to make sure his mum a a 6month supply of her meds.
Another did a psychology phd & has now got a job working in fisheries, he said it was like redoing his doctorate in haddock & cod in a month.
He now advises the government, with the only ministers that have a clue being the Scottish ones with fishing constituencies
isn't Brexit brilliant
According to the Financial Times
Talks between Britain and Japan on a new trade deal after Brexit have "stalled" - highlighting what the paper sees as the UK's broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade agreements, "let alone secure anything better".
Japanese officials, it says, have been instructed to extract "every advantage possible", as Tokyo is confident it can negotiate more concessions from the UK than those it has agreed with the EU.
You mean a negotiation involves 2 sides? Someone had better inform David Davis!
Oh don’t be so f*****g ridiculous. 🙄
This is because Satan is a religious construct....isn't it
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There was a gammon on C4 news earlier. He voted leave and bought a house in Spain. Now he’s surprised and disappointed to discover that ending FOM affects him and “proper Europeans” as he put it, and not just Eastern Europeans.
And these people object to being called “thick”? "
I saw that and thought exactly the same. It would be funny if it wasn't so damned depressing.
And when it all turns to shit, these are the people I'm going to remind, on a daily basis, it's all your ****ing fault.
I need cheering up, schadenfreude, please
Schadenfreude indeed. You have to admire the restraint of the journalist saying "you might have shot yourself in the foot a bit" and not "you're a complete bloody idiot".
I still don't blame the voters such as those… when people tried to tell them that THEIR FoM and THEIR pensions could be effected by Brexit, they were crowded out by calls of PROJECT FEAR. That the media, including the BBC, allowed this "balance" (just dismiss warnings over what losing EU membership will mean, as, basically, lies, without any actual counterpoint as to why the warnings should be heeded) is a huge question. And now, their willingness to repeat "undemocratic" whenever someone suggests we might night some more democratic oversight, of any kind, over what is going on in our name, raises the same huge question…
Really? I do. My family may be split up by their stupidity and selfishness. They didn't consider that before they put a cross in the "no foreigner" box, so f 'em if their plans are screwed up now. Tough titty.
They didn't know your family life would be at risk. They were told, repeatedly, that was just Project Fear. On every channel.
We were all told that. Stupid people believed it. People were told of the risks but didn't give a shit about anyone else and voted leave. Forgive me if my sympathy is a bit lacking.
To give an example of the how stupid some people are, I worked with a Polish bloke, who was pro Brexit, because "it'll get rid of the Muslims" he refused to believe it could mean him getting deported over people who've lived here for generations.
I'm with the doctor. These people have the wherewithal to afford retirement abroad. They could have done 5 minutes of critical thinking.
Best is they are the same lot that crap on about how Britain survived the war. Yet can't be further than 5 minutes away from a Spanish bar with cheap lager, full English and premiership football without moaning about it.
Sigh --- aren't we all clever because we didn't fall for the bullshit, even though the "reputable" news channels repeated it ad nauseam.
Yep, my old man has lived in Spain a time, he and his crowd are very pro EU, for obvious reasons but there are a few who are staunch leavers, the most vocal being a typical racist, who's also a bit of a fraud, owns a property, doesn't have residency and over stays frequently... It's just bare faced hypocrisy.
Sigh — aren’t we all clever because we didn’t fall for the bullshit, even though the “reputable” news channels repeated it ad nauseam.
Not clever per se, but rather just not as thick as pig shit. I glean no satisfaction from knowing I am less gullible than a bunch of thickos, so meh.
"Japanese officials, it says, have been instructed to extract “every advantage possible”, as Tokyo is confident it can negotiate more concessions from the UK than those it has agreed with the EU."
How very dare they! Don't they know who they are dealing with.....?
Sigh -- we all consume and assess information differently -- those people who didn't campaign for us to have a referendum, but had to decide on the run up to the vote which way to vote (they didn't ask to be made to assess our EU membership) and came down on balance to Leave, are not "Thickos". They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of "Project Fear". They may still have no idea what is now going to happen… but then, who the whatever does?!?
If they're too stupid to have thought through the possible implications then they deserve whatever difficulties they now face, and let's be honest, the UK deserve the return of the them if they're booted out.
how can people make promises before a referendum as to what's going to happen after the referendum, but then claim not know "what's going to happen after the referendum" once the voting is finished?
If they’re too stupid to have thought through the possible implications then they deserve whatever difficulties they now face…
So, are you clear are on the implications… years later? Because I'm not. Those that listened to the wrong people are not necessarily stupid. You have to get past that… or just sink back into your own little hole and stay there. There are many reasons why people mistrusted the untrustworthy people in the government and Remain campaign… it's easy for us to point at the Leave campaign and say "how could anyone trust these snake-oil sales people"… but have another look at who headed the Remain campaign…
Sigh — we all consume and assess information differently — those people who didn’t campaign for us to have a referendum, but had to decide on the run up to the vote which way to vote (they didn’t ask to be made to assess our EU membership) and came down on balance to Leave, are not “Thickos”
Surely that is a definition of what a "thicko" is? Someone provided with a body of information (directly or indirectly) and making an incorrect decision based on it?
They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of “Project Fear”. They may still have no idea what is now going to happen… but then, who the whatever does?!?
So leavers are sticking it to the UK government for various very valid reasons... By voting to leave the EU? It makes no sense.
I'm sure plenty of leave voters are thickos, plenty of remainers too.
We all know people voted for different reasons, hence 17 million different versions of what Brexit means
I think the guy in the video does qualify though-
Voting to leave to remove FOM from immigrants without realising he was an immigrant himself.
Kelvin, you asked if I'm clear of the implications.
I've always been clear of the possible implications of us leaving the EU for my rights to travel to and live in the EU. That is the most obvious right we have had as a member!
It makes no sense.
The person fronting the Remain campaign looked a lot like our PM at the time. All previous living PMs also took part in the Remain campaign. If you don't trust any of those heads and previous heads of the UK government, then perhaps it made sense to you.
So leavers voted based on thier perception rather than considering the practicalities and ramifications?
Sounds pretty stupid to me.
Of course we have the other flavour of leaver, the ultra right wing rich who support leave not out of stupidity but pure callous selfishness.
The former seem to support the latter without realising what the real game is here.
I'm still of the opinion that leavers fall into the following 3 catagoies.
1)stupid
2)rascist
3)selfish
Those categories are not mutually exclusive, they also can be a combination of any two, or all three.
On the other hand, I know an intelligent chap who doesn't really like the EU and how it operates, but voted to remain out of pragmatic realism. That's what intelligence leads you to.
They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of “Project Fear”. They may still have no idea what is now going to happen
Should have either done some finding out for themselves or just stayed in and not voted, then.
So, are you clear are on the implications… years later?
No Nissan's or Honda's....or expensive Nissan's and Honda's
Just as being ignorant of the law when you break it, doesn't stop you going to prison, being thick as shit doesn't stop you being a **** when you vote to ruin the country.
As someone why fervently thinks we should Remain… some of you are sounding like right twits, it must be said.
ION, the ironically named Seaborne has been kicked to the kerb.
I wonder where the money for all that is now..?
but then, who the whatever does?!?
The government's own figures and preparedness notices are painting a pretty bleak picture.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162
Etc. Etc.
That looks like a lot of extra red tape to me.
The BBC are considering relocating to a more international setting.
Got to get your EU licensing sorted somewhere. Any organisation of a decent size should be keeping a foot inside the EU somehow… even if it does have "British" in its title.
It is interesting the tactic of quoting only 1.6% this or that it seems when discussing economics ...when 1% equals 10 billion they don't mention that...yet 350million was a convenient get people on the hook figure
some of you are sounding like right twits
Hope that's not aimed at me, if a bunch of arse holes can take away my rights, and the rights of my family, and you're ok with that then you better get used to being called what you are.
Single Twit World
Re Japan. T. people (pro Brexit twitter group stated today
"Japan is one small country ! imagine their loss when we are successfully trading with 194 other countries! Brexit as per mandate as per the referendum as per democracy as per the vote of 17.4 million as per 1000 years of history! leave now on WTO".
Small country eh? Almost twice the population of the UK, 3rd largest economy in the world. But yeah, whatever.
Sinn Fein are talking up a referendum on Irish unification.
Meanwhile Kate Hoey continues her pathetic little sniping at Guy Verhofstadt.