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Oops she did it again !
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/factory-theresa-chose-big-brexit-13854668.amp
Has she made any speech in a building that wasn't funded by the EU ?
At this point why the hell are journalists not asking her that at the end of her speeches?
Is anyone actually surprised that the channel tunnel ceases in the event on no deal? How do people think trains run internationally?
The same also applies in Ireland on services such as Dublin Belfast as i understand it.
There is already something ready and in place for trains and buses in Ireland IIRC.
Anyone wanting a window into the rest of the country outside our nice little middle class IT bubble, turn on 5Live now. One woman has just said she doesn't care how MPs vote, she'll be leaving the EU regardless.
Just heard Farage on the telly going on about a second referendum without frothing at the mouth. As much as he's a loathsome character he usually has his ear to the ground so this made my ears prick up.
Anyone wanting a window into the rest of the country outside our nice little middle class IT bubble,
Oh? Where’d the 48% come from? They can’t all be in here.
she’ll be leaving the EU regardless.
I need more details! How did she propose doing that? Will she be operating on WTO rules from now on?
So she's on board with the old plan of just telling everyone who voted leave that we've left and calling it job jobbed? Capital. We really should have done it two years ago, we would have saved ourselves an awful lot of aggro.
Some lovely quotes, by lovely I mean effin retarded, from Gove on R4:
we face either a no-deal Brexit, with the short-term economic damage that would bring, or worse: no Brexit at all
He really is an unctuous little speccy toad. I hate him so much. Out of all the line up of loathsome creatures from the brexit saga he definitely stands out. Hang on though what about leadsom, Johnson, Raab, Davies, may etc. Spoilt for choice really
So she’s on board with the old plan of just telling everyone who voted leave that we’ve left and calling it job jobbed? Capital. We really should have done it two years ago, we would have saved ourselves an awful lot of aggro.
Is it when Comrade calls vote of no confidence and there's a general election if they can't get their shit together in 14 days
does she still get to call when the election happens ? Because that could be December the 25th 2019 from what I read if the rules of calling a general election under those circumstances are followed ...we could have left a long time before a GE
One woman has just said she doesn’t care how MPs vote, she’ll be leaving the EU regardless.
Good, because when the UK is still in the EU she’ll have to **** off somewhere else. Don’t let the door hit you on your gammony arse....
If I was PM I would revoke Article 50 but tell the proles that we'd left Europe anyway.
And in other news, I have FINALLY clicked what Bandersnatch was all about. Very clever !
This is mays get out.
At Dunkirk we got our arses kicked.
We regrouped , got a plan together got some backing and a few years later we were back rescuing the mainland.
Brexit is exactly the same. We've probed the enemies defences and been repulsed. We now know what we are up against. We shall revoke article 50 and once we have overcome all the obstacles, even if it takes 10 years we shall have a brexit fit for Britain not one imposed on us by the eu.
May will look all patriotic ,the gammon's won't be able to argue against that.
Then hopefully the whole thing will just go away.
My MP has put a notice up on his website saying he wont be replying to any more Brexit emails & he'll be voting for the deal anyway (hes an original toady thats never voted against the government)
The head in the sand tactic is the same he used at the last GE where his majority fell by 7000 votes
I have sent him an email to express my displeasure
Some lovely quotes, by lovely I mean effin retarded, from Gove on R4:
we face either a no-deal Brexit, with the short-term economic damage that would bring, or worse: no Brexit at all
He really is an unctuous little speccy toad. I hate him so much. Out of all the line up of loathsome creatures from the brexit saga he definitely stands out. Hang on though what about leadsom, Johnson, Raab, Davies, may etc. Spoilt for choice really
I was listening to this on my way to work.
There was so much drivel in that interview, but I couldn't stop listening. It was like some morbid obsession.
The icing on the cake was the stroppy 'No, no, no, no, nooo' when he was being challenged, and the blatant time wasting.
It was at around 8:30- you can find it in here somewhere
good read here on what happens next
Interesting that Kate Hoey believes that a second vote would have a bigger leave majority...
Not really Kate Hooey talks a lot of crap
I was more referring to how deluded & how much her head is in the sand.
Just a slight side note, to leave my echo chamber I've started to follow a few leave people on Twitter. Now, the right are always accusing the left of violence. However the only violence I have seen or threats I've seen are from the right.
Am I not left enough? Or is it that the left is more peaceful & the right uses threats, violence & aggression a lot more?
Or is it that the left is more peaceful & the right uses threats, violence & aggression a lot more?
I believe the accepted method is that the right oppresses the ordinary people until they can stand no more. There is then a flashpoint where the ‘forces of law and order’ claim they were fired at first......
Although these days I’m not sure the police are onside with the Tories. This is the depth to which they have slipped.
We do need to be careful in here, though. Just heard a depressing vox pop from Harlow - there’s another place that needs nuking from space and starting over. The level of ignorance and misplaced arrogance out there in the Littlest of Little England is terrifying.
I was absolutely gobsmacked at a recent chanel 4 news piece from Barrow. They've basically swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the narrative that the area they live in is shit (and dear god, its grim!) because everything is the fault of the EU.
Thats understandable given decades of relentless press hostility, but what I really don't get this airy assertion that 'we'll be fine'. Really? What evidence are you basing that on? It really won't be fine. At all! Especially for an area like yours, where the only funding or investment you'll have seen for the last 3 decades will have come from Brussels
Predictions are always wrong… you can't trust them… but of course some are far more wrong than others…
https://twitter.com/duncanweldon/status/1079294495253057536?s=21
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Compare OBR (project fear mongers) with Minford's Liverpool Research Group (the Brexitiers only source of optimism about postBrexit Britain - minus farming and manufacturing of course). Now, who should you trust least?
Just had a nice burger and beer in Wetherspoons. I’ll post up some pics from their magazine on the table..... 8-0
Am I missing something here? Two ammendments on the backstop simialr to the Murrison ammendment have been seslected, but they both directly go against the withdrawal agreement, so are basically irrelevant as EU wont accept them? I assume it means we have a siuation (if the deal gets voted through) that we have a deal that has gone through Parliment, but isnt the EU deal, so May has to go to Brussels and say "this is what I've got through, its differnet to what we agreed, will you accept it;" at which point Brussels says 'no' and we are in limbo with event more time wasting?
Interesting that Kate Hoey believes that a second vote would have a bigger leave majority…
Kate Hoey does talk a load of hooey on most things, but I have a sneaking suspicion she may be correct on this one. Or at least that it would be again, too close to call.
Was it only a few months ago the Tories were trying to stab Bercow in the back?
I think they may just have had an object lesson in never kicking heads if they can kick back. 🙂
(Referring to the amendments selected)
Am I missing something here? Two ammendments on the backstop simialr to the Murrison ammendment have been seslected, but they both directly go against the withdrawal agreement, so are basically irrelevant as EU wont accept them? I assume it means we have a siuation (if the deal gets voted through) that we have a deal that has gone through Parliment, but isnt the EU deal, so May has to go to Brussels and say “this is what I’ve got through, its differnet to what we agreed, will you accept it;” at which point Brussels says ‘no’ and we are in limbo with event more time wasting?
Thats how I read it too... Tabled by a Brexiter, assuming it gets voted through it basicaly kills mays deal dead, leaving what, no deal crash out or reamain?
It might inadvertently strengnthen the reamin position.
We live in interesting times.
What deal could we have if may allowed free movement of people?
We wouldn't be in the eu so no one could moan about it.
At Dunkirk we got our arses kicked.
We regrouped , got a plan together got some backing and a few years later we were back rescuing the mainland.
Er not quite, we and our close allies defeated the Nazis. We couldn't do it alone, we were too small to compete. Demonstrates the value of working together doesn't it?
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/euref2-poll-of-polls//blockquote >
Fine, but look at the number of remain favouring polls in the run-up to the referendum.
cant disagree that they were all over the place before the ref but yougov polls there have been way more consistant over the last 2 years than the year b4 ref
Admit it though, you'd be bricking it all the way up to the vote...my fear is that the arguments against EU membership (or lies, depending on your grasp of reality), will still be as potent, but with the added spice of 'Our politicians are betraying us, let's send them a message they can't ignore'.
My personal preference is lots of shenanigans leading to a long extension of A50 then, finally a second ref. Adjusts the demographic a bit further through 'natural wastage', hopefully.
my fear is that the arguments against EU membership (or lies, depending on your grasp of reality), will still be as potent, but with the added spice of ‘Our politicians are betraying us, let’s send them a message they can’t ignore’.
Yep I just don' think you can sale 'remain' once you've opened the fantasy box.
I'm all for shenanigans +extension +second ref.
With proper controls on what can/can't be said/fact checking and and actual concrete "this is the conditions of leaving the EU" type of choice.
So everyone knows their options, I'm sick of ****ing fantasy unicorns.
And I sell that idea to Brexiters by telling them that I don't like the EU, but I voted remain as it was the least-worst option, if you can show me a deal that I reckon is a good compromise/I'd be happy with*, then I'd vote leave.
*I'm pretty sure that's impossible, given our current "deal" of being one of the "big" members of the EU with all the rights/responsibiliites/privledges that come with it, but I'm happy to keep an open mind until the details are there and I can make an informed decision 😉
Former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab says the deal involves "the most severe and enduring risk for our democracy, economy and stifles opportunities of Brexit".
He says the Northern Ireland backstop is "undemocratic", and the deal would be the UK "giving up control" to the EU.
The EU would wield all the negotiating leverage in further negotiations, Mr Raab adds, noting the deal is "so demeaning it would torment us for the foreseeable future".
He says what he fears most is "the drain the deal would have on our economy", and that he will not sign up to that.
"The deal is racked with self-doubt, defeatism and fear," Mr Raab says, noting that he votes for Brexit but not for this deal.
If only you had been able to influence the deal some how... If only there was such a role as Brexit secretary... Oh hang on...
How stupid do these people think we are?
I had exactly the same outside Parliament yesterday when David Davies (the welsh one) tried to look clever during an interview by asking me which political party is elected to run the EU - he really didn't like it when I explained to him that isn't how it works.
A second ref is dangerous, too many voters don't understand what no deal means and there has been no attempt to call out the lies. Then the issue of how social media is going to be swamped by lies in the run up. Too much money has been stacked to fail now.
i see that, somewhat prophetically, Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street. By an armed police officer..
I have to admit to enjoying the contribution of Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox
He's like a beardless Brain Blessed 😀
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/geoffrey-cox-attacks-mps-children-2431243
too many voters don’t understand what no deal means
On the Guardian feed of today's activity...
Closer to the gates of the palace, Philip Hodson, 60, from Newmarket in Suffolk, stood holding a placard reading: “Uphold our English constitution.”
“I hope the outcome will be no deal, and that’s the most important thing,” he said. “We should leave straight away and then Europe will come looking for us for a deal.
The mind boggles.
https://twitter.com/damiengayle/status/1085195790170112000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
i see that, somewhat prophetically, Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street. By an armed police officer..
That's not a patch on Trumps McD's delivery.
It would be very fitting if they'd order a load of Tobby Carveries in.
Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street
Let's not forget May couldn't campaign as she is a diabetic.
Suicide by doughnut.
No need for that.
It would be very fitting if they’d order a load of Tobby Carveries in.
With plenty of gammon?
The bookies have suspended betting on her losing the vote. You can still get odds on how much she'll lose by
If only you had been able to influence the deal some how… If only there was such a role as Brexit secretary… Oh hang on…
How stupid do these people think we are?
In the main very very stupid indeed, and they were proven right in June 2016.
Anyone with half a brain cell can see that Raab is a sweaty little creep with about as much political clout as a wilted leaf. Someone who repeatedly had his arse handed to him in ‘negotiations’ and just made himself (almost implausibly) look more of a bellend as a result. To the point where the Maybot just starting bypassing him because he was so utterly useless. At least David Davis kept one of our national reputations intact by putting a dent in the EU drinks budget.
But the Fail et al won’t have been telling it like that. They were pushing the line that it was the snide little continentals plotting and schemeing like some latter day Cardinal Richelieu. And the prats will lap it up.
Don’t underestimate the stupidity that is out there.
It's getting harder to say hunt again.... Some great please just vote for this please please. Stop talking about how much of a cock up this is. (today R4)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/15/europe-brexit-meaningful-vote
I enjoyed ‘casually mendacious’ to describe the UK government especially.
The full interview at the bottom of this page is quite entertaining.
I did manage to find some odds for May's deal losing about an hour ago.
A £1 bet would net you a 2p return, lol!
zippykona
Let’s not forget May couldn’t campaign as she is a diabetic.
Suicide by doughnut.
It's part of the post-brexit food plan, we can eat all the doughnut holes we want
Watching her speech now.
What drives May these days? Really, what makes her get out of bed?
Not wanting to go down as one of the worst PM's in living history?
Desperately trying to salvage something, anything so history won't be so harsh on her??
Cameron gambled on Brexit, lost, and at least had the humility to fall on his sword the day after the vote and resign
I expect May will do no such thing.
She’s an absolute clown shoe
The idea that we can accept an amendment that would be ruled out by international law is ridiculous. We are still indulging the fantasists and wasting time.
May about 10 mins ago:
Theresa May says a second referendum would be akin to telling voters "that we were unwilling to do what they had instructed".
She also dismisses no deal as an option, saying it would not deliver a transition period, secure the mutual rights of citizens or protect security co-operation.
So if I'm reading that right, brexit is over??
Whatever will we talk about on here?
The idea that we can accept an amendment that would be ruled out by international law is ridiculous. We are still indulging the fantasists and wasting time.
Yes, but “sovrunty” and Dunkirk and stuff
The idea that we can accept an amendment that would be ruled out by international law is ridiculous.
I don't see it as an issue, the EU would never accept it, and it's widely thought it won't make it through the commons anyway.
It's just lip service more than anything.
Lip service, or time wasting?
We don't have time to waste.
This whole thing is just an absolutely ridiculous charade!
I’m half expecting her to just tail off, mid-sentence and just say “**** it!” and head to the pub
And it relies on May's deal being approved in the first instance. If May's deal is dismissed it becomes irrelevant.
Right, here we go then.
And no amendments, whats the tipple of choice for celebration or commiseration?
Kick it out? Laphroaig Select
Bill voted through? Tasmanian Independent Bottlers RD001 - I might be heading back
edit - or are we now voting on the flounce out of Good Friday and Backstop?
I’m half expecting her to just tail off, mid-sentence and just say “**** it!” and head to the pub
Given that she and her hubby are so wealthy they could afford to plug all the pot holes in the UK with £50 notes, I too wonder why she hasn't done just that.. Some narcissistic sense of doing something probably..
A lot of the Tory backbencher really are the living embodiment of the word ‘gammon’
That interview says all you need to know about the Minister for the 18th Century. Shit Thick.
JOB - 'The government doesn't set a schedule of tar riffs at the WTO. The government asks the WTO and then every single country that's a member gets a vote on whether we're allowed to follow that schedule'
JRM - 'No that's simply not correct'
Unfortunately shit suit; James O'Brien is very much correct. And if you type 5 words into Google you could find that out for yourself.
WTO accessions
Any state or customs territory having full autonomy in the conduct of its trade policies may become a member (“accede to”) the WTO, but all WTO members must agree on the terms. This is done through the establishment of a working party of WTO members and through a process of negotiations.
https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/acc_e/acc_e.htm
The large majority of changes to goods schedules take place under the so-called "1980 Procedures for the modification and rectification of Schedules". Under these procedures, all WTO members have an opportunity to review the proposed changes and to approve them if there are no objections from other members. In the absence of any objections, the proposed changes are "certified" by the WTO Director-General.
It's an abuse of public trust and he is using his position in public office to do it - HTAF there aren't misconduct in public office charges being pursued I don't know.
That interview says all you need to know about the Minister for the 18th Century. Shit Thick.
Sadly he isnt an idiot. It wouldnt be so bad if he was. Depressing but not bad as such. He just has a relaxed approach to accuracy.
Dont underestimate him by calling him thick.
He is continuing his fathers work.
Lip service, or time wasting?
24 votes in favour. Time wasting.
Well Farage getting called out at least (BBC) for blatant lies, and will consider another referendum.
So the May deal stands to be voted on, no deviation, no changes. There can be no doubt this will be a verdict on the deal negotiated. That is quite important.
Also looks like we have 624 in the house, 313 secures it's defeat.
Nope. Repeating the same inaccurate and incorrect diatribe against the EU to someone who for years has spent his time disproving it and will have no issue calling you out on it, is not the mark of an intellectual giant.
The posh accent and shit suit might fool some.
Crikey..
RESULT: MPs reject John Baron's amendment by 24 votes to 600.
Dont underestimate him by calling him thick.
Very much this. You only need look at the comments in the lbc page section heaping praise in him for being so polite in the face of such a rude man trying to get a reaction. It really doesn’t matter how vile his politics, people vote for him because of how he speaks.
A very dangerous man.
Yes very dangerous, though I do think I'd like to buy Alister Campbell a sparkling water at this point, plane speaking honesty in the middle of all of this.