No smoke without fire as they say, still looking like a strong and stable government. United in purpose to deliver something.
As many have been saying for a while UK universities and research already being damaged by Brexit.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
Missing the point phil. The UK has been a leading research centre due to its excellent universities AND freedom of movement which made it a great location for collaborative funding from the eu. The UK is removing 2 of the 3 things that made it attractive. Students will still get study visa's for the cash but research will leave and that is what makes good universities great.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
What does that actually mean, for a university to "stand on its own feet"? Where is a university to get money from if not "handouts" and tuition fees?
Universities thrive on international cooperation. You know why the Internet was created, because intellectuals wanted to communicate wxith each other.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/should-referendum-brexit-threads-be-a-ban-on-a-cycling-forum ]Anyhow, what are you doing on this thread, Phil? You wanted it banned.[/url]
philxx1975 - Member
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
what you fail to understand is that science is all about collaboration, being part of the EU has made that much easier, not just through shared funding also researchers being able to work here, we attract a huge amount of talent from overseas, especially from the EU via FOM.
as I and others have repeatedly been stating EU workers are already leaving, thanks to the vote, our hostile press, the lies of politicians and the shambolic lack of a plan at the heart of government taking skills and knowledge with them.
There is no glory in the isolationaism of Brexit, science & research institutes wont collapse, but UK science & our knowledgebase is lessened.
Today is the final day that countries can apply for the European Medicines Institute to be hosted in their country when it leaves London, another tickbox on the Brexit checklist of self-harm for the UK.
Brexit is an exercise in ignorance
we had this email from the principle last week, worried that we are losing staff
Dear ColleaguesI last wrote to you on the subject of the UK’s decision to leave the EU in March, following the triggering of Article 50. You will be aware that official negotiations on the UK’s exit from the European Union opened recently and that the UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019.
The UK Government now has a webpage with the latest information about the status of EU nationals in the UK. The webpage will be regularly updated as negotiations progress. The webpage includes the UK Government’s policy document, which outlines a proposed offer to EU citizens resident in this country at the time of Brexit. Of course, we may not know the final agreement between the UK and EU for some time and negotiations over the coming months mean that the situation is subject to change.
We note that the information provided currently states:
There is no need for EU citizens living in the UK to do anything now. There will be no change to the status of EU citizens living in the UK while the UK remains in the EU. If you would like to find out the latest information you can sign up for email updates.
I am acutely aware that many of our colleagues face a period of uncertainty and others will also be concerned about the status of family members, friends and work colleagues. We will do our best to provide relevant support and information to staff throughout this period.
I’d like to remind colleagues that there is a range of information available on our dedicated EU referendum webpage. Colleagues in HR remain on hand to help with queries and to arrange a repeat of previous briefing sessions by lawyers specialising in the area of immigration and employment issues, should colleagues indicate this would be useful. Please contact them on their dedicated email address (EUreferendum@qmul.ac.uk).
You may also find it helpful to take a look at both the Russell Group and UUK’s websites as sources of further information and to understand what sector bodies are doing to influence the government’s position. For example, the Russell Group have recently urged EU Brexit negotiators to make research, innovation and higher education priorities in the upcoming discussions.
The Russell Group has also asked its members to obtain feedback on how the Government’s recent announcement is being perceived by colleagues from other EU countries. If you would like to prove such feedback then please email EUreferendum@qmul.ac.uk.
This is an unsettling period – clearly for colleagues from elsewhere in the EU, but also for staff who are anxious to emphasise the importance of a continued open and global outlook, and the benefits we all derive from membership of an international community here at QMUL and beyond. As always, please send any insights or observations to me via principal@qmul.ac.uk.
Regards
[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40772332 ]Brexit: Race to host EU agencies relocated from London[/url]
Relocation plans need to be finalised well in advance of the "deal" being struck. There is no wait and see what kind of deal or transition option available...
Negotiations are quite straightforward, May's 11 point letter spells it out. Hammond btw said implementation period was for a max of 3 years, thats the limit. Fox said he thought 2 years was fine. In the case of Vince Cable there is an awful lot of bark and no bite.
Barnier is stuck as he can't admit that the answer to "what is the legal basis of the Brexit Bill" - is erm ... none.
@cornholio did you see my post that the Medical / Drug Authorisation Authority is here because the expertease is mostly British ? If they move it they'll either jave to pursuede all the experts to move (costly) ot somejow hire more which by all accounts don't exist in Europe. As for things like the EIB it should IMO go and we should withdraw our £6bn of capital.
TMH there will be a social benefit from having a more balanced, global and diversified immigration policy. Whats unbalanced is an unlimited number of predominantly white Europeans and the public's view it's uncontrolled, very divisive.
Nice trolling Cable. 8)
If they move it they'll either jave to pursuede all the experts to move (
I suspect that might be easier than you think Jamba. Since June last year a lot of folk born in Britain think it's not the place it was and leaving might make sense.
more balanced... immigration
So why are you arguing against balance in favour of skilled / rich only? Balanced is what we had.
ah bless....
It's all going swimmingly.
If the guys at the drug agency want their jobs they will have to move full stop. It's leaving along with the other organisations. The UK doesn't have any key government operations outside the UK does it why would the EU?
I'm sure most brexiters will be shocked to know the earth doesn't revolve around Grenwich.
Negotiations are quite straightforward,
didnt Davis say it would be as complicated as the moon landings?
but then he said scheduling would be the 'row of the summer' and on day 1 of the negotiations he meekly agreed to the EU's timetable.
they dont have a clue. maybots wishlist was always fantasy, after her electoral humiliation it may as well be written in smoke.
Whats unbalanced is an unlimited number of predominantly white Europeans and the public's view it's uncontrolled, very divisive.
yeah coz all those brexies want more brown folk instead.... you are kidding no on one with that line!
So.... Hammond, Rudd, Johnson, Fox, Davis, PM all saying completely different things about, transition, FOM, 'implementation', deals
no wonder business investment is down and companies are setting up EU bases out of the UK
even the cabinet cant decide what the 'plan' is 😯
On the European Agencies, banking should definitely go makes total sense and none for it to remain in the UK
Also I love this
The 27 remaining EU countries are determined that the UK will pay the relocation bill, as Brexit was a
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
Yep these 2 are a quick 1000 jobs gone. Now either these people leave the UK or you need to generate 1000 jobs to replace them. I think it was quoted as 40,000 nights of visitor accommodation etc. That's quite a lot of cash to kiss goodbye to. Moving costs would depend on what sort of legally binding contracts were signed when they were located here.
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
quite some brexi-logic there, especially as we arent even looking at EEA membership
only one country voted to turn its back on the EU
that we'd loose the EMA & the new patent court wed been so instrumental in setting up was as usual dismissed as 'project fear' by the bullshitters before the ref
[url= https://www.ft.com/content/1a5df2de-13a2-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173 ]UK would lose two pharma bodies in event of Brexit, lawyers warn[/url]
as for who will pay.... are you are as certain about that as you were of maybots landslide? 😉
Yep these 2 are a quick 1000 jobs gone.
We voted in a referendum [b]overwhelmingly[/b] to get rid of jobs so that we could give that £350M/wk to the NHS and take back control of our borders from all those foreigners.
Suck it up snowflake.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
That is completely and utterly nonsensical. Don't take my word for it, go and speak to others employed in the area of academic research.
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
No, the UK is leaving the EU, the UK doesn't want anything to do with the EU so has asked for the agencies to be kicked out. Quite simply really.
Obviously there is the opportunity for all those people to stay and work for the new agency the UK will set up to duplicate all the functions of the one that is leaving.
Think of all that duplication of red tape you're advocating.
As an aside, seen the comments floating around about the acid attacks and the link to the government getting rid of red tape and the anti free-market rules entailed.
Think of all that duplication of red tape you're advocating
yep
and to administer the [url= http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/06/britain-will-break-free-of-the-common-agricultural-policy-but-we-still-need-to-subsidise-farmers/ ]CAP payments, setting up our own food & agriculture standards committees[/url] , regional development grants etc etc, current suggestion is indeed to carry out trial to duplicate EMA work in the UK, which will be hugely expensive & time consuming, either costing gov. millions or increasing price of drugs
oh and duplicating Euratom, oh and will have to [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html ]create a body & inspectors to certify our own aviation safety personel[/url]
then theres the new IT system to monitor EU citizens, and [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html ]the new custons it system[/url] oh and [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/eu-supports-poorer-regions-tories-abandon-brexit-funding ]LGAs have asked for guarantees that we will replicate the regional development fund[/url]
all hail the bureaucracy of Brexit!
philxx1975 - MemberAnd as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
Are there any other industries that you think should stand on their own two feet and stop relying on foreign customers?
Medical / Drug Authorization Authority is here because the expertise is mostly British
Nonsense I'm afraid. EMA experts are already planning to leave. The MHRA does a lot of the heavy lifting largely due to co-location in London, The other agencies are perfectly competent to do the same, see BfArM, for example in Germany.
What this exit will mean is that Pharma will need a separate Marketing Application for the UK (as is needed for Switzerland). Whether they can be bothered based on the market returns and NICE hurdles, will be another matter. Normally first applications are for US, EMA and more recently Japan. Others come later.
Are there any other industries that you think should stand on their own two feet and stop relying on foreign customers?
All of them, presumably. Hence brexit.
https://www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate/permanent-residence
interesting that the government appears to be resetting the residence rules.
really being welcoming.
If you already have a permanent residence document it won’t be valid after the UK leaves the EU.
From mrmo's link.
Does that really mean someone who has been here, say, 10 years, applied for and got permanent residence is going to have to apply all over again.
Really?
No wonder the Euros think we're being nasty over citizen's rights.
It's Brexit gone mad(der)
The government it / immigration systems will take 10+ years to process the eu residents in the UK if they all apply for permanent residence
No 10 contradicts Hammond over 'off-the-shelf' Brexit transition deal
Does that really mean someone who has been here, say, 10 years, applied for and got permanent residence is going to have to apply all over again.Really?
yep
thats what the scientist sitting next to me understands and theres contradictory adivce on teh gov website about how much they will be charged for all of this
Rudd is talking about a multi-£million new databse to record all their details, Im willing to bet they will try to recoup costs from EU citizens with some hefty fees
fine for jambs friends in finance, not so good for scientists on crappy wages!
most EU nationals here will not have applied for permanent residence no need.
Absolutely - but even so, that's just nasty.
most EU nationals here will not [b]yet[/b] have applied for permanent residence no need.
FTFY. Most of my EU colleagues are in the process of considering or doing just this. One had hers arrive on Friday. Bit of a kick in the teeth to say you'll have to do it again.
If you already have a permanent residence document it won’t be valid after the UK leaves the EU.
How on earth do you persuade, and arrange for, key EEA staff to stay here?
This country is being run by idiots… cheered on by idiots.
[i][ feel free to insert the words "xenophobic", "blinkered" and "myopic" in that last sentence as you see fit ][/i]
What would happen if all the EU citizens just refused to apply? If the government starts kicking them out, the country will collapse.
the government doesn't know who is here from the EU IIRC
Lived in the UK for 20 years and never applied for residency.
[quote=kimbers ]Rudd is talking about a multi-£million new databse to record all their details
I'm pleased to hear that, because large government databases are always a great success.
As an aside, seen the comments floating around about the acid attacks and the link to the government getting rid of red tape and the anti free-market rules entailed.
No, was it The Mash?
yes that is correct Blair stopped exit checks & obviously May gutted customs and border authorities as home sec. So we've got no way of knowing who's here.
tjagain - Member
the government doesn't know who is here from the EU IIRC
EU Directive 2004/38/EC allowed them to repatriate people without funds or having worked for 3months,
We've always had control, just never bothered to exercise it.
Rather than admit that the gov didn't care how many people came here, brexies joyously jumped on the xenophobia bandwagon with our beloved leveson ignoring rightwing press.
No, was it The Mash?
What's that got to do with Brexshit
Seems like some great leaps of faith - you might as well write how the tightening of gun and knife laws has contributed to the significant rise in related crimes. At last the EU is to blame for that *
* like much recent news, that is completely made up for effect
yep
and to administer the CAP payments, setting up our own food & agriculture standards committees , regional development grants etc etc, current suggestion is indeed to carry out trial to duplicate EMA work in the UK, which will be hugely expensive & time consuming, either costing gov. millions or increasing price of drugs
oh and duplicating Euratom, oh and will have to create a body & inspectors to certify our own aviation safety personel
then theres the new IT system to monitor EU citizens, and the new custons it system oh and LGAs have asked for guarantees that we will replicate the regional development fundall hail the bureaucracy of Brexit!
I can't see how they'll be able to set this up within a sensible timescale TBH.
The only thing I can think is the magic money tree will be shock and all these new agencies will be outsourced to to the private sector at vast expense.
Gotta laugh at dysentry (ah how appropriate is that auto complete) and his farm, why on earth would we subsidise when we can get food at rock bottom prices from our new best buds.
What's that got to do with Brexshit
getting rid of red tape, wasn't that one of the key arguments?
Shockingly it turns out that red tape is a good thing sometimes.
Oh I see, add it to the list then. Amazing that we won the test match today despite Brexshit.
Test match? What sport and who was playing?
Ladies cricket