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Instead nothing has been done and they and us are screwed .
Have we done the Your Comments section on the "Brexit will make UK worse off, government forecasts warn" BBC article yet?
Some right stormers in there.
Meanwhile, who needs drinking water?
Some right stormers in there.
It's just depressing. Eg,
Exactly, now have real reservations about Brexit but would I vote leave again ?
Absolutely.
Why ?
Because I can.
I mean, where do you begin debating with that level of belligerently stupid?
Kind of sad that no deal brexit won't happen now, I would have liked to have seen some of my fellow countrymen experience a real third world style water shortage.
Ever since the telegraph shut down their comments the BBC HYS has been inundated with a tsunami of gammon
a tsunami of gammon
The steaks are high?
Amusingly the Highest Rated and Lowest Rate comment is the same one. This one:
"I don't want to be worse off. This was never presented by either side during the referendum. Can we have a second referendum please?"
To be honest I'd rate them down. "never presented"? Really??
They sit there, in their quarter of a million pound house that they paid <£20K for back in 1980, with their savings and their fat pensions and their summer holiday home in Costa Del Little England, ruing how shit their life is now. Meanwhile the current generation are leaving education with thirty grand plus worth of debt and looking at probably never getting on the property ladder, and the Boomers’ parting legacy before they shuffle off this mortal coil is to see how badly they can **** up the country even further for everyone else.
Don't forget their triple lock pensions. They voted for something that should the economy tank will effect them not one jot. Any self respecting brexiteer pensioner should have volunteered to forgo their triple lock and instead tie their increases (or indeed decreases) to the money in the pockets of 18-25 year olds.
Have we done the Your Comments section on the “Brexit will make UK worse off, government forecasts warn” BBC article yet?
I'm particularly enjoying the 'but we weren't told the economy was going to be worse off after brexit' comments. Actually you were, you were just so intoxicated by the thought of putting all the brown people in boats and pushing them out to sea you didn't hear it.
Mark Carney and the BOE boys tearing brexit a new arsehole on BBC news.... live
I mean, where do you begin debating with that level of belligerently stupid?
Simple answer....We can't debate with such people but we could remove them from the electoral roll (and sterilise them for good measure) so they cannot vote ever again, if you are that ignorant of the facts yet continue to believe in unicorns then you have zero right to have a say in how the country is run.
We keep being told that people who voted for Brexit aren't all shit-thick racists. Well a hefty chunk of them certainly seem to be just that
The level of 'logic' being exhibited by them....
, if you are that ignorant of the facts yet continue to believe in unicorns then you have zero right to have a say in how the country is run.
And yet you can still be leader of the Labour Party
What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches. They had some effect and they weren't attended by the liberal elite with well meaning banners. I went on some of those in the 90s and they were proper civil unrest, marching on Westminster, getting corralled by the police. Good times. What has happened to those people, the far left you'd probably call them Socialist Worker Party, Class War anarchists plus a lot of ordinary trades union members. Did they all grow up and turn in to the latte slurping lefties that we see on demos these days? I imagine some of them are even pro Brexit, especially the trades union members.
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Hold on, is May visiting a factory in Glasgow to sell her Brexit deal?
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I wonder if they’ve vetted who she’ll be speaking too?
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It'll be the same as that creepy-as-**** thing she did before the election, where they sneaked her into a locked warehouse with a pre-selected audience and everyone reported how great it went.
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What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches. They had some effect and they weren’t attended by the liberal elite with well meaning banners
I took part in 2 out of 3 of those, and yes they were.
But if we did the same again, you know how it'd go, they road tested the new response in 2011 and there was hardly a peep.
Theresa May says she's got the best deal for the country.
Unfortunately the country in question is France.
Mogg has just been on radio 4
To summarise the interview:
These figures are wrong!
How are they wrong?
Because I say they are. And anyway.... you can't trust a Canadian.
Then David Davis, another intellectual heavyweight, weighed in to say that this was just more project fear
Given the irrefutable logic of their arguaments I'm amazed I wasn't convinced to vote to leave in the first place
What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches.
Exactly what I'm talking about. I was involved in all those too. Back then we didn't wait for politicians to lead, we made them catch up. If the supposed dispossessed younger generation want a better deal they need to get off their arses quite frankly. I've a lot of sympathy with them but they need to drop the entitled hard done by act and start organising and making a nuisance of themselves.
What has happened to those people
We got older, got jobs, had kids. SImple as that really. Civil disobedience and resistance was always a young person's thing and probably always will be as you have a lot less to lose when you're young.
I’m particularly enjoying the ‘but we weren’t told the economy was going to be worse off after brexit’ comments. Actually you were,
PROJECT FEAR!
We keep being told that people who voted for Brexit aren’t all shit-thick racists. Well a hefty chunk of them certainly seem to be just that
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, the shouty ones certainly are. Whether they're representative of those who voted leave overall is hard to say.
A comment in that BBC article that it’s the BBCs fault that the pound is crashing and they simply shouldn’t publish any negative news😂
If the supposed dispossessed younger generation want a better deal they need to get off their arses quite frankly. I’ve a lot of sympathy with them but they need to drop the entitled hard done by act and start organising and making a nuisance of themselves.
Still pedalling that one, it's all avocado's, fancy phones and latte's these days?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34721681
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_student_protests
Should they start with the guillotine or just a gentle riot?
But but potholes.
The problem with the chattering classes is it's easy being principled in an echo chamber such as this but when faced with a batten charge.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309
Hi, I was looking for some sunlit uplands, a unicorn or two and the easiest trade deals in history. Someone said something about no downsides, only considerable upsides - are they upsides anywhere to be seen as well?
I was sure there was a delivery of all that lot due any day now.
I’m really looking forward to next summers riots. I’m hoping they culminate in the lynching of Boris Johnson
this is for you diane abbott
today its wednesdaaaaaay....
tomorrow is thuuuuuursdaaaaay
just so you have a ****ing clue what day it is i mean really when she starts interjecting ............ITS ****ED
<p>Civil disobedience and resistance was always a young person’s thing and probably always will be as you have a lot less to lose when you’re young.</p>
<p>Except any chance of a career or realising any decent prospects you mean?</p><p>The world has changed, social media can put someone on the spot and screw them royally, it only takes one person with a camera at the right moment and that's it.</p>
Should they start with the guillotine or just a gentle riot?
Well much as I disagree with random untargeted violence, a riot or two might actually make the politicians sit up and take notice. So where are they are on brexit? It's a much bigger issue than university fees, and apparently they're being shafted by the old which will destroy any chance they'll have of having a decent life. I'm not trying to have a go at them, I agree with them pretty much, but if they want things to change they have to make it happen themselves cos no one else will.
it only takes one person with a camera at the right moment and that’s it
That and the effectiveness has been dropping. Unless you are willing to get into proper violence with the attendant risks to careers most recent marches regardless of how well attended have been ignored.
The problem with civil unrest is the the politicians have got much better at playing the propaganda game using it for their own ends and discrediting rightful protests, even going so far as using under cover police as protagonists for violence.
I’m actually amazed there hasn’t been a big remain march. Support would be massive imho. My kids would definitely be on it.
Sarcasm Dan? 😉
The BBC decided that slagging off the Labour Party was far more newsworthy than reporting them.
The Moggster actually referred to MC as a '...second rate, failed Canadian politician'. 🙂
As opposed to a second rate, failed human being.
Don’t know if this has been linked, very good article https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/how-right-s-brexit-dream-died
That's a fascinating read, thanks for sharing.
Yeah just read that too. Absolutely brilliant read
Great read - thanks.
I spent yesterday at an EU Exit meeting in Leeds covering the chemical industry and effects of deal/no deal Brexit (boring complicated subjects like REACH, ECHA, CLP labelling, Customs, HMRC third party rules etc - nothing that easily fits on the side of a bus).
100+ people with heads in hands wondering how the hell we (as a country) could be so stupid.
I truly wish Farage or Mogg (or even any of the Brexiteers on here) could have been present to demonstrate their superior intellects and explain away the project fear mumbo jumbo...
for a march to have an impact , it needs to happen every week , block motorways etc...
look at french news for the way to do it .
At work in the Netherlands, I forgot a password. The temporary password they gave me was Brexit01. Oh how we laughed until I started off on a long rant.
Anyone heard from Ruth Davidson recently? I always thought she was reasonably sane and funny as Conservative MPs go.
Has she been 'disappeared'?
She had a baby a month ago and is on maternity leave,
Which at least shows her skill at tactical scheduling.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn't do - i called a colleague a '****ing idiot'.
TBF he is also a ****ing idiot outside of this particular issue, but his all round idiocy became too much.
I simply cannot see how this will resolve itself, and i'm worried.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn’t do – i called a colleague a ‘****ing idiot’.
An advantage of working in Edinburgh. Actually quite hard to find many Brexiteers.
Can’t just be me that’s experienced that?
An advantage of working in Edinburgh. Actually quite hard to find many Brexiteers.
Head north, they're all in the 'blue belt' which I think extends from about Bridge of Allan to Perthshire. My wife and her family are all loyal Tories who voted Brexit for the following reasons: Immigrants.
Scotroutes: that Dateline link is genius, thanks for sharing! 😀
I truly wish Farage or Mogg (or even any of the Brexiteers on here) could have been present to demonstrate their superior intellects and explain away the project fear mumbo jumbo…
Similar meeting regarding Europe wide cancer trials some a while back (we have gone fron main driver to backseat passenger until we know where we will stand on patient data regs) amusing as the Genomics England guy was one of the most vocal critics & that's a government run company.
It truly is amazing how the Tories bonkers brexit is destroying their credibility with business.
Following Johnson’s comment “f*** business” regarding the worries about the economy, Bill Cash was on the tellybox last night stating quite matter-of-factly that Brexiters’ entire motivation was political and though he (and his friends) recognised that the economy would be plunged into chaos by a no deal situation, it wasn’t as important to them as the wresting of political power away from a participatory EU, into the hands of the nationalist forces that he represents. The suggestion is that the U.K. survived WW2 with the alleged “good old British cup-of-tea dogged determination spirit” and so this is what will see us through any disruption caused by a crash out.
So what these people are deliberately doing, is pushing the U.K. towards a state of penury and suffering not seen since the blitz, to enable their own grab for power, whilst being the last to suffer it’s effects that will have to be born by those without access to capital wealth of the kind enjoyed by the Rees-Moggs, Johnsons and Camerons of this world. IE - the rest of us.
If their project fails, at what stage will these conspirators be bought to book for treason and stripped of their freedom and privileges?
Don’t hold your breath.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn’t do – i called a colleague a ‘****ing idiot’.
I called a colleague (actually, he was my boss) a ‘****ing idiot’ the morning the result came in. He was an intelligent bloke who said he'd voted leave as a * off to Cameron because "I didn't think for a second they'd actually win!"
I thought it was entirely justified under the circumstances. The *ing idiot!
Wopster - Its going to be just like the banking Crisis all over again. Those that cause it will just shrug, wander off completely immune from the consequences, then look how much their power and wealth has increased as a result of the fallout from it, while ignoring the smouldering wreckage of the disaster they caused.
It's us 'little people' who will be left to pick up the pieces. Same old, same old....
Christ, I *ing loath the lot of the cold, uncaring, greedy, morally bankrupt *s!!!
Yes, binns. It didn’t occur to him to ask, what would make them win?
Oh yes - people voting for it...
I entirely agree with regard to the award of his non-ability to reason, that you attribute. 👌
My wife and her family are all loyal Tories who voted Brexit for the following reasons: Immigrants.
I should imagine that's of pressing importance in Perthshire.
Examining my own feelings, I discover that I am contemptible of them and despise them with extreme prejudice. Not only have they abandoned those whose care they are supposedly responsible for, they have also abandoned the very entities that their Conservatism pretends to support - the businesses that generate the wealth on which the country depends.
I don’t hate them. They’re not good enough for that.
Ironically, they may have provided an opportunity for employers and workers to discover a space in which they can finally coalesce...
So Andrea Loathsome has either been bought off with a peerage, or the penny has dropped that the alternative to 'the deal' is no Brexit at all.
The Moggster actually referred to MC as a ‘…second rate, failed Canadian politician’.
The veneer of politeness that he claims to favour is wearing very very thin indeed. You can see more and more of his true personality every day.
I should imagine that’s of pressing importance in Perthshire.
Agriculture and hospitality would be the most visible areas that’s seen immigration in Perthshire?
I recall a lot of anti immigration sentiment in both Northants and Norfolk rural areas. Largely down to Eastern European’s taking jobs in the rural industries.
North East Fife is a hot bed of toryism and brexit (see: my parents).
Recent utterrings include "we're being overrun by immigrants" (NE Fife is just a see of white faces) and "I voted to leave to get rid of all the ****s" (After pointing out that ****stan wasn't in the EU, my mum said "well, you know what i mean")
To be fair to my dad, he didn't vote leave because of immigration, more he wanted a more global/free trading Britain. Which I can understand, even if I don't think it stands up to scrutiny. He also wants to pay less income tax.
Hers an idea for the gammons.
Should we just accept the first Brexit that comes along or the best one?
Now we know what the questions are let's go away for 10 (maybe 20, maybe a 100) years to figure out the answers then we can have a proper Red White And Blue Brexit fit for the hero warrior lions of this brave isle.
The EU might have won the battle but like Dunkirk we shall retreat , heal our wounds and attack when the time is right for us.
"If you think old England's done."
Think again.
We shall give the EU the pretence that we are remaining but really we are training.
Training for the day when it is once again legal to hoist the union jack as we all know the EU has banned it.
Anyone who doesn't agree with the above is a traitor.
Fact.
May is presently being questioned by a parliamentary liaison committee. Its on Five Live
I am listening to the British Prime Minister justifying carrying out a policy that she knows full well is going to cause untold damage to the countries economy and remove the rights from its citizens, but all that is all fine because.... less immigrants
Its surreal. It's like a waking nightmare. Like Nick Griffin is writing government policy
I don't think I know anyone that voted Brexit - despite me being close to Moray, the area in Scotland most finely balance between Leave and Remain. I assume because of the large number of military and ex-military types living there
Loads of immigrants round my way but also an area of very low unemployment.
One good thing to come out of Brexit is that the Boris Johnson 'oh he's clever underneath' lie has finally been slain, he's stuck his foot in his mouth too many times to get away with the pretence any more...
Yet he's still the bookies odds-on favourite as next Tory leader - and therefore possibly PM. I think most of us saw through Boris years ago. The senile old racists that comprise the Tory Party membership simply don't want too.
Part of me would like to see him become PM. Its'd be such an unmitigated disaster that his premiership wouldn't last 5 minutes and would se the Tory's out of power for a generation. I'd love that to be his legacy
He also wants to pay less income tax.
Has he medical insurance and a good personal pension pot? Does he also have a billion or more in the bank?
If it's a no to any or all of these then Brexit isn't for him.
I know people who voted leave as they believe there will be more higher paid jobs, lower taxes and higher unemployment benefits....
now there may well be more higher paid jobs available as supply of people drops until we manage to sort out our next range of cheap imports. Trouble is the jobs they think they will suddenly get they would never get in a million years.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the premiership with all the eu players potentially needing a visa mid season...
Look at this. What will happen when the racist cretins realise that they have caused a massive increase in not just the proportion, but also the actual numbers of non-EU migrants to the UK? Such migrants are much more likely to be non-white, and/or Muslim. Who will the gammons blame for that?
I have not one ounce of respect for Bill Cash's position, or any of the other zealots, until they start caveating their comments about the 'price worth paying' with the universal truth: "of course, it'll be you lot paying that price, not us."
I loved Moggs comment about Carney being a failed second-rate politician. The interviewer missed a trick in not immediately asking him to describe what a successful first-rate politician looks like?
One who arrogantly and pompously mounts a coup before slowly realising he hasn't even got half the votes he needs to do so, while hosting a press conference that makes him a laughing stock? 😀
But but we are all going to be better off. May told us last year.
Mogg wants the economic disruption & damage of Brexit. It is not a "price to pay" for leaving the EU, for him, it is the reason for doing so. His dad literally wrote the book(s) on how to make money out of this kind of situation. He wants to help off shore funds make money off the back of the misfortune of ordinary Brits. He's an evil shit and it's time the media started calling him out for it, rather than revelling in his entertainment value.
Mogg's aims are completely at odds with the job we pay the gov of BofE to do for us. If he's angry with Carney, that's a good sign he's performing his role appropriately.
Before anyone is asked to comment on Brexit on tv/radio they should have to explain why they personally want/don't want Brexit and not all the gaining back control BS. Most of them would have to lie but at least you have a chance of seeing it.
Look at this. What will happen when the racist cretins realise that they have caused a massive increase in not just the proportion, but also the actual numbers of non-EU migrants to the UK? Such migrants are much more likely to be non-white, and/or Muslim
I predicted exactly this back on like page 2 of this discussion.
Before anyone is asked to comment on Brexit on tv/radio they should have to explain why they personally want/don’t want Brexit and not all the gaining back control BS.
There was a woman on the radio just now, said she voted for brexit because she wanted the housing market to crash. She's trying to buy a £250K property in Hampshire.
Carney called out the swivel eyed at the BOE conf yesterday, qhen askwd about the forecast Carney reset the Brexiteers position by explaining how their forecasts were created and the data sources.
Rees Mogg is on his arse and he knows it, resorted to "sound bites" he is not smart or clever the man is just full of crap latin. He has been outed as the press serve him up as a parody and he doesnt know it.
I predicted exactly this back on like page 2 of this discussion.
Yeah, it was kind of obvious, wasn't it? But now it's actually there, happening, and I bet the idiots will either deny it or blame the EU for it.
Heard JRM playing the man not the ball yesterday on PM, sure sign that he's run out of ideas
At least Brexit is showing the world what idiots they actually are
Carney called out the swivel eyed at the BOE conf yesterday, qhen askwd about the forecast Carney reset the Brexiteers position by explaining how their forecasts were created and the data sources.
Rees Mogg is on his arse and he knows it, resorted to “sound bites” he is not smart or clever the man is just full of crap latin. He has been outed as the press serve him up as a parody and he doesnt know it.
Indeed.
Carney may very well be a failed Canadian politician, but he's also the head of the Bank of England.
Mogg on the other hand is just a failed English politician and nothing more
However, Carney is not a failed politician - he was the Deputy Minister of Finance at the Canadian Finance Ministry - which unlike a Minister in the British Government is a civil service role, not an elected political role. JRM didn't appear to know the difference.
While its funny that they are all now being exposed as the fools that they clearly are, it would have been a lot better for us all if people had acknowledged this self-evident fact in June 2016
How anyone could ever take idiots like Boris Johnson and David Davis seriously has always been absolutely beyond me
JRM is an oxygen thief....
So is Davis, Boris, Bone and the whole of the ERG - they are simply awaiting an extinction event.
Think JRM and Tim Wetherspoon piss me off the most, one offers cheaper shoes and clothes for poor people- the other says he can take 37p off a burger and a pint.
How the * can people not see through these complete *s
Whenever i hear or see JRM speak i daydream about this scene in Drive where ryan gosling opens a can of whoop-ass.
Carney seems like a good person whereas JRM, Boris, Bone etc, really don't. Judge by the person first and then the politics.
Does anyone suspect that May is perfect willing to go through with a no deal Brexit (contrary to what Yvette Cooper has said)? Her evil smile in response to Yvette was telling.
I think the game plan is to try and sell this deal, if no deal Brexit happens and the economy tanks - they will then blame Labour and remainers for the damage to the economy. I think quite a few on the fence voters would actually buy that.