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The last thing on earth this country needs right now is a Tory leadership election. But with this lot, and the way they ALWAYS put the party's interests before that of the country, that doesn't mean we won't get one
Rees-Moggs 'question' to her about whether he should now be writing a letter was clearly a rallying cry to the headbangers. Its just a question of whether that many of them are so unhinged as to throw the country into further chaos?
What is refreshing about this is the amount of MPs asking for a Peoples Vote.
Flippin hard to believe that 40% of the country still think leaving is a good idea! I didn't realise that the circulation of the Daily Mail was that large!
A craven alcoholic
Amazing then isn't it that he seems to speak more sense than the whole of the (presumably) sober cabinet?
The last thing on earth this country needs right now is a Tory leadership election.
On the contrary. The more chaos, the more chance there'll be of the whole thing being cancelled. My view for a long time has been that the men in grey suits in shady back rooms will never allow a no deal to happen as there is just too much money at stake. Political chaos and a dysfunctional government provides the opportunity for the whole thing to be suspended pending resolution of the crisis. Once it's suspended, the chances of it being cancelled altogether are vastly increased. Basically short term pain for long term gain.
Rees Mogg is a very very dangerous individual. I know many people think he's a joke and a pastiche (which he is as well) but he is also deadly in his ambition to disrupt and grab as much power as possible in the ensuing confusion. Total sociopath and normally in govt there would be enough checks and balances to see he never got in a position to do any harm but clearly that ship sailed long ago. I mean the whole ERG was his idea, been around five minutes and now its being given equal credence with labour - you hear media pundets citing comments from both in the same breath. Wouldn't be suprised if it morphed into a new party.
Maybe, just maybe that's been the plan all along. Destroy the whole thing from the inside. Would be a masterstroke of political engineering if it is but I doubt it. More like there was no hope of any deal being made whatsoever and we are now completely helpless.
"Flippin hard to believe that 40% of the country still think leaving is a good idea! I didn’t realise that the circulation of the Daily Mail was that large!"
Come here to Wales and you'll easily find a load of people who still think Brexit is a good idea. Unbelievable considering we gain a massive amount from the EU Development Fund, some of these people actually work for an EU department!! That big, new road being built to get people from the North and the Midlands to BPW quicker? (I know, not it's intended route but it's as far as it will now go!) Funded by the EU. But no, we'd still be better out.
Gove is the next Brexit secratary apparently. I suppose he issued a threat that he'd resign if he didn't get it.
The terminally dense Penny Mordaunt must be gone next, surely?
In other news - Rees Mogg has convened a meeting of the ERG (and yes, I agree that they're givem far far too much credility for what is essentially a splinter group of far right lunatics)
A craven alcoholic who’s in the pockets of the tobacco companies?
I hadn’t noticed anything craven about it.
Bloke likes a drink and a fag. Gets a bung from the companies who supply one of his pleasures.
And let’s not forget his bar bill alone probably kept Ronnie Scots afloat during the “Crap Food Years”. 😇
Having watched his performances on QT, I’d have to ask - what’s not to like?
Having watched his performances on QT, I’d have to ask – what’s not to like?
His appalling treatment of haemophiliacs, when he was health secretary.
That big, new road being built to get people from the North and the Midlands to BPW quicker?
Which one's that then?
Another affable bloke who likes a pint and a fag. What could go wrong?
Another affable bloke who likes a pint and a fag. What could go wrong?
Probably something caused by his tendency to talk absolute bollox every time he opens his gob.
Molgrips, seriously?! The Heads Of The Valley Dualling. The whole idea was/is to make it continuous dual caiirgaeway from the M50 to Swansea and the Valleys, plus the addition of loads of industrial parks along it's route. It's one of the main drivers for companies like Aston Martin to move to South Wales in the last few years: efficient road links to their suppliers. Massive project only possible by funds from the EU Objective 1&2 pots. The WAG is positively shitting itself that the EU may not pay the full build cost for the current section between Gilwern and Brynmawr, let alone the remaining sections. The current section's build costs is 3x the annual total WAG budget! Add in the proposed M4 relief road and there's no hope of any budget being made available to do either without outside help.
No matter what happens over the next few days in Westminster (even if a miracle happens) we're screwed here in Wales.
Are people leaving the debate to conspire and sharpen the knives?
It seems a lot emptier now.
Theresa is looking like she about to run to the toilet crying. It feels like the other MP's acknowledge it's a busted flush.
Are people leaving the debate to conspire and sharpen the knives?
It seems a lot emptier now.
Posturing done - no point in watching others posture.
It'd be interesting, that now the actual deal is on the table & people know what it'll mean to leave the EU if there was a vote tomorrow if the Leavers would swing at all...
That picture of Farage makes me want to shove that glass in to his gaping pie hole, then re-enact the "kerb" scene from American History X. He's such a c**t.
Where's he gone, now that the poo is not only on the fan, but liberally sprayed across the entire country?
I like to keep a few of the more ... erm, how shall I put this.... 'intellectually challanged' guys I used to go to school with as Friends on Freindface. One of them just posted the following:
100% betrayal by the Prime minister and the Conservatives l am Briitish and l do not recognise the EU, it's authority, laws or legislation!
I know that we're not meant to say that Brexit voters are a bit thick, but.... you know....
He's done the whole tour bolstering his contacts book so I'd guess he's now in hiding until the whole shitstorm is over, then he'll resurface somewhere to line his pockets again. Probably on HIGNFY.
Ask him if he is happy to be told to what to do by the Swiss and their corrupt banking cronies.
No surrender to the WTO.
Where’s he gone, now that the poo is not only on the fan, but liberally sprayed across the entire country?
Germany probably, with his wife
Where’s he gone, now that the poo is not only on the fan, but liberally sprayed across the entire country?
He's on LBC every week night (and bloody Sunday) picking up a cheque, and enjoying the calls as his pig meat cockney fan club ring in.
I shit you not.
I actually feel sorry for May now.
I've been in her situation in work before where swivel eyed loons are asking for the moon on a stick then berating you at every turn for not turning water into wine. I don't know why she hasn't told them to stuff the job up their arses and retired into the sunset. I can't imagine there's a single drop of job satisfaction for her right now
I'm hearing reports of Gazza arriving at 10 Downing Street with a bucket of KFC, and fishing rod.
Chairman of 1922 Committee says no announcement on leadership challenge will be made. So watch this space.
JRM has submitted a letter of no confidence.
LOL in the office at that one verses
Just turned on BBC Parliament, Pm is still going but there are only about 30 MP's left in the commons. Where are all the others? Have they all cleared off for lunch?
Molgrips, seriously?! The Heads Of The Valley Dualling.
Oh I knew about that, I just didn't know it was part of a grand plan.
apparently gove turned down the job offer.....
Leadership election it is then! Things are now getting interesting, and I have to admit I'm rather enjoying it. I'll say one thing for brexit, it has provided first class political theatre, and I get the feeling this latest act has only just started.
1922 threshold not reached yet?
when does it officially become a constitutional crisis ?
apparently gove turned down the job offer…..
what a snivelling little coward
Can someone remind me what the DUP actually want to happen with their border with the Republic and the one with the rest of the UK?
They want to work under the same laws as the rest of the UK except when they dont.
Simple really.
1922 threshold not reached yet?
It's only a matter of time now JRM has played his hand. May is finished. Perhaps that was her plan all along?
A minor diversion, and apologies if it's been posted before, but related to ''Rees Mogg is dangerous' upthread : https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
apparently gove turned down the job offer…..
Keep head down, retain support, wait for leadership election then start waving. Self interest before everything else.
apparently gove turned down the job offer…..
Is that now a clean sweep that every single one of the leading Berexiteers has run a mile when actually charged with delivering it?
Where’s he gone, now that the poo is not only on the fan, but liberally sprayed across the entire country?
This man wouldn’t know hypocrisy if it stared him in the face
Rees Mogg really is a slithering shite of a man.
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary.
make it up as you go along why don't you
perhaps they should put it on the side of a bus!
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary
Wonder what they do when one resigns....toilet paper?
Maybot has vowed brexit will happen
Which is pretty surprising considering
Loathsome is not resigning so i guess she wants out
I assume they'll get enough letters but I can't see her losing the vote. Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
All I can add at this stage, at what must be 3 years since we started this whole sorry mess is - what a bit of a mess.
It comes to a point when you're praying the The Queen dissolves Parliament (in Acid if needs be) and we start afresh.
This is great, I love watching the world burn.
Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
Hopefully a long walk off a short pier. Whatever it is it will be sniping from the sidelines preferably using someone else as a puppet so he can dodge the blame.
Loathsome is not resigning so i guess she wants out
I don't think so, she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
On the bright side, I sold a bunch of stuff on ebay last night to europeans, on the strength of the pound's nosedive.
No genuinely, that's the only bright side.
With all the vitriol on here and snakes in office I find some solace in that
"she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it."
Nice little snippet from Sturgeon
"David Mundell wrote to May a few weeks ago, warning that “any deal that threatens the integrity of the UK’s internal market” was a resignation issue for them. Where is David Mundell now, she asks. Does he have the principle to resign? Both Dominic Raab and Esther McVey have warned that that the deal is a real threat to the integrity of the UK, she says."
Remember Davidson and Mundell ( with a lot of help from scottish labour) got 13 mps mainly in coastal areas and their biggest selling point was that fishing would not only be under UK control but Holyrood control. so there is that point as well as the "integrity of the UK" Fisheries policy will remain in EU hands under this deal indefinitely and under Westminster control after that if it ever comes back from the EU
So will Mundell have the guts to resign or will he carry on the pointless stoge? Davidson is in real trouble as well as it now clear that even Scots tories are treated with contempt by Westminster tories and she has lost one key plank of her position .
You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
Yes of course. Which is why she wants to limit the democratic options available to MPs around it. Its also odd how the opinions of all the brexit voters just happen to be for her flavour of Brexit.
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary.
Isn't it Sam Cams family company that provides it all? Keep it in the family?
Theres a certain irony to all that lovely stationary being used to call for the head of the woman left to clear up the mess her husband left when he curled one out on UK democracy then promptly ran off
"Its also odd how the opinions of all the brexit voters just happen to be for her flavor of Brexit."
i think you might be a little out of tune on this statement . Resignations in Cabinet and the wider ****tersphere of Brexit voters seem to disagree .
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected .. however shite that may be
JRM mentioned David David and BoJo as potential future tory leaders. Is that really the best he can come up with? Sweet ****ing lord. Hardly strengthens his hand in challenging May does it? Hopefully putting such a clown in charge triggers a GE, Article 50 is stalled and some form of brexit hiatus ensues. I'd put JRM is as Foreign Secretary and send him off to the Saudi embassy for a chat.
Is that now a clean sweep that every single one of the leading Berexiteers has run a mile when actually charged with delivering it?
I think you are correct. The hypocritical sniffling idiots. BoJo has vanished off the face of the earth (which is no bad thing)
@binners. Indeed, I hear the wallpaper in No 11 is also to a very high standard.
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected .. however shite that may be
I was going to post something similar, but that sums it up.
You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
The quality of a democratic result is only as good as the understanding of the electorate. Or, as Churchill put it, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
another letter goes in
so we're upto 3 🙂
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls in the cabinet & make her CV look even more impressive 😉
( I know someone who sat with her on a science committee & he described her as the least informed, yet most arrogant non-scientist on the committee )
@taxi25 @makkag as for delivering the result of the referendum they promised.....
"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want
Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards
the problem is that this is what the country was promised & expects but its impossible to deliver, this is the paradox at the heart of the demcratic legitmacy brexit
It's all feeling a bit;
I don’t think so, she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
Since when did she have any choice? It's got nothing at all to do with her personal choice - Her team have to come up with something that will get through parliament. Walking away from Brexit would have got no support at all and an immediate no-confidence vote.
I have to say - reading the headlines of the 'deal' last night, I was expecting "some" support, but it seems that it's a poisoned chalice - You really can't say anything definitive about Brexit without 90% of parliament saying they disagree (but with no proposition of their own).
It's an absolute farce, and I'm not sure I've heard from a single Tory MP that I believe is thinking about anyone other than themselves/career - Ken Clarke is perhaps the exception.
i think you might be a little out of tune on this statement
Whilst she hasnt run away yet when you see all her comments it is aligning her view of brexit with the voters. Which, incidentally, then leaves her betraying democracy if she backs this one.
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected
To do that you need to actually understand what the electorate want.
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls in the cabinet & make her CV look even more impressive
She's probably accidentaly locked herself in a toilet, or something
The quality of a democratic result is only as good as the understanding of the electorate. Or, as Churchill put it, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
Which might be true, but the option is to remove universal suffrage. And who decides who's clever enough to vote ?
Has no-one done a 'Downfall' parody of this yet? Standards are slipping.
And who decides who’s clever enough to vote ?
A referendum
Hopefully May will weather the the attempted leadership contest.
Parliament all but guaranteed to vote down her deal.
That leaves no deal, and more realistically an extension or retraction of a50.
Last thing we need is May being ousted or a second refurndum... Too risky..
Why is a s second referendum too risky? Risky for whom?
implement the result of the referendum
So you're saying that those staying in the government are doing so as the exit agreement is necessary to implement the result of the referendum? Fair enough.
Ex-ministers claim that they left government because the exit agreement make it impossible to implement the result of the referendum.
It's almost as if the referendum was fundentally flawed as regards what it asked, and when that was asked, and now the result can be used to justify two contradictory positions.
Well, then as now, to justify multiple contradictory positions, really. But then I've said that a hundred or more times in this thread…
We still don't have a plan for our future relationship with all the countries that surround us. All we have are transition plans and a backstop or two designed to give us years to think of, argue over, and implement a future relationship… and why is no one proposing a new relationship…? Because there is still not a single possible relationship which the British public would ever back over remaining a member as we are now. Multiple contradictory possibilities have to be kept alive to keep Leave support above 40% of voters.
Which might be true, but the option is to remove universal suffrage. And who decides who’s clever enough to vote ?
No it isn't, the answer is representative democracy and not direct democracy - ie referendums/mob rule.
Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
He has a plan?
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls
Aye she likes a sandwich.