[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

jambalaya - Member
Did anyone actually read the Deloitte's piece yesterday ?

9/10 foreign workers are very interested in relocating to the UK for "the right opportunty". There is a long line of people ready to apply for a work visa.

didnt you get the memo jambs? brexies dont like immigrants!

Hopefully labour will have seen sense before the crap drops into their lap. But that's their lookout. If they take it on, it will destroy them too.

this! right now MPs have to keep the xenophobic OAP brexies happy but as they die off the youth betrayed by brexshit will become even more engaged

The United States is very hard to get into. They are massively oversubscribed with VISA applicants. Ditto Australia. We can go on. The rest of the world manages just fine without freedom of movement and being part of the EU. In fact the rest of the world is generally doing a lot better than the EU

In fact the rest of the world is generally doing a lot better than the EU

Is that like a real fact? Since the average chinese, south east asian, indian, or african, doesn't seem to be doing that well...............or by the rest of the world do you mean english speaking bits?

fish in a barrel this morning jambs

http://www.cityam.com/265762/its-official-uk-has-fallen-bottom-g7-growth

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league

of course the UK was doing quite well, till some old fools got the ref vote they wanted

Yes we'll always attract some labour, just as Japan remains popular with Chinese and Fillipino immigrants despite the difficulties of working there. But while they are useful labour and in some cases well trained for the jobs they do (Fillipino nurses is a particular example) it's much less popular for higher skill levels.

And of course Japan is in complete denial about their demographic time-bomb which is going to complete reshape their country one way or another in the next few decades.

re the new EU citizen ID cards....

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The rest of the world manages just fine without freedom of movement and being part of the EU

Yes, but they were never in it to begin with. Our issue isn't not being in it, it's leaving it where we had previously been in it.

Do you appreciate the difference, Jam?

Did anyone actually read the Deloitte's piece yesterday ?

9/10 foreign workers are very interested in relocating to the UK for "the right opportunty". There is a long line of people ready to apply for a work visa.

Jamba, i'll warrant 9/10 UK workers would be very interested in relocating to the european mainland for "a yacht and a pony".
how much does this tell us about anything?

jambalaya - Member
The rest of the world manages just fine without freedom of movement

#Jambafact 😆

Mercosur(Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela), along with its Associate members of Bolivia, Chile, Colombia and Ecuador established that their territories together form an "area of free residence with the right to work" to all its citizens, with no additional requirements other than nationality. The Free Movement and Residence Agreement was established in the Brasília summit based in a previous document signed on 6 December 2002.[64]

Jamba, are your children eligible for an EU passport?

Arguably Suez was the last time we threw our weight around

No, we thought we could and were soon put back in our post colonial box by the US. That was when we stopped being a 'world power' its just it has taken us 60 or so years to recognise it.

I've posted this link before but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.economist.com/node/7218678

I've posted this link before but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

Excellent read thanks for sharing

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No, we thought we could and were soon put back in our post colonial box by the US.

Sorry, yes - I meant 'tried' to throw our weight around.

Suez is interesting, my grandfather, who had been a career soldier before and after WW2 and saw all sorts of s***, resigned his commission from the army in protest at what went on there.

Caroline Flint gets it and has listened to her constituents

Caroline Flint will only ever act in whatever manner gets her back on the telly so she can flick her hair a lot whilst hamming it up.

She would have been a Tory anyway, it's just that the opportunity to gain prominence was probably quicker with Labour when she started out.

Suez wasn't the last time IMO, Cod wars, which we lost were.

It's been a year, still no brexie, let alone our government have come up with a plan yet
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everyday, brexit keeps on giving, you would have hoped that some semblance of a plan would be in place. but no.

Well there is a plan, EU pulling bodies, EU companies dropping UK suppliers.

All going so well!

Just had a discussion with a German colleague about Brexit. He's a decent bloke, it seems, but he's quite anti-EU.

He made good points about the shortcomings of the EU. He also said that the press in Germany was controlled by the government and is forced to be pro-EU - even to the point of having the same articles in different papers. But there no-one believes the press apparently in contrast to here.

Also interesting to consider how different a Dexit would be to a Brexit...

kimbers - Member
It's been a year, still no brexie, let alone our government have come up with a plan yet

Naahhh ... nobody is reading your news ... nobody ... nobody gives a monkey about The Times Newspaper headline.

[b]All eyes on that beautiful lady in green Miranda Kerr. [/b] 😆

She is so cute with eye colour matching her tight dress. .. OHhh ...

i think tomorrows Sun has what you are looking for chewy

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meanwhile
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kimbers - Member
i think tomorrows Sun has what you are looking for chewy

What newspaper is the second one? The Canterbury Tale? 😆

chewkw - Member

What newspaper is the second one? The Canterbury Tale?

I think maybot is describing the image on the front of the sun

Crikey ... is that the headline news?

it's to alter the positive public perception of firefighters, as the government are currently looking bad for cutting services.

@molgrips same with the press in France. As I have posted before its wrong to suggest eurosceptism is a UK phenomenon. When the French had a referendum on an EU constitution they rejected it. Swiss voted to end freedom of movement (hard to implement admitedly). The Norwegians voted not to join ....

@kimbers given Cameron made no plans for a Leave result and jumped immediatey it's not surprising May waited 9 months is it ?

As I have posted before its wrong to suggest eurosceptism is a UK phenomenon

well, done you! newsflash: not everyone thinks everything the eu does is terrific! you heard it here first!
it's a good thing you're here!
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Cameron made no plans for a Leave result

Why would he, Jamba? He didn't support it. (And was smart enough not to be the one implementing it.)

@kimbers given Cameron made no plans for a Leave result and jumped immediatey it's not surprising May waited 9 months is it ?

Be fair. 'Tis only 3 months since the start of the 24. Still incompetent.

sorry my mistake, you would have thought all that time would have been used to come up with the plan....

There are conspiracy theories in France and Germany too. But the idea the government makes papers print positive stuff about the EU doesn't stand up. I could fill this page with anti-eu stories. [img] [/img]

Maybe Cameron spent 5 mins thinking about it and worked out there was no sensible plan, like any reasonably intelligent person could have done.

As I have posted before

Gather round and listen to the words of jamba - balanced and reliable commentator.

who always always remembers exactly what he has posted on here 😉

It's amazing really.

The Tories are jockeying for position in the race to replace May, the only thing that's pertinent to us is whose it going to be & secondly what we are going to get.

A softer Brexit? Well, the Tory party might just about survive & whose at the helm for that will be feted by the party loyalists.

A hard Brexit? Major damage to the Tories as it seems only a small minority of MPs support that.

The question will cone down to not what sort of Brexit is best but what do they (the Tory grandees) want to happen to the party.

Disappear up it's own @rse in a toxic puff of RW p1ss & wind?

Or survive by muzzling or kicking out the haterz & going for a softer Brexit?

Who knows, a softer Brexit might - MIGHT - just convince some of the electorate to forgive them.

Very interesting article on the Conservative election campaign here:

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/26/tory-election-machine-fell-apart-negative-tactics ]The Guardian[/url]

Their lack of any positive message in the election, or any detail about what their supposed mandate for leaving the EU was supposed to bring is telling. It's becoming increasingly more obvious that there's a talent vacuum at the top and that they're making it up as they go along.

bigrich - Member

it's to alter the positive public perception of firefighters, as the government are currently looking bad for cutting services.

Yup, people are feeling disturbingly positive towards the emergency services after Manchester, the London attacks and Grenfell so it's time to get things back on track.

Who knows, a softer Brexit might - MIGHT - just convince some of the electorate to forgive them.

She can have my vote for the usual rate, £100M, paypal to my email address (in profile) is fine.

Ha ha, indeed!

Portuguese colleague, obvs concerned about Maybots Rhetoric just checked, even with 10 years residence her & her husband will have to find 2.5grand each to apply for settled status.

On a science salary., in london thats not easy to find!

I can see many EU citizens leaving well before brexit happens

@kimbers foreign students find far more than that for tuiton fees and accomodation costs. I suspect borrowing £2.5k between them will be more appealing than no job for either back in Portugal.

In other news the EU commission are at least talking about the €10 billions pa hole in their budget post Brexit. Sadly this guy's solution seems to be an EU Army as that will save €25-100bn a year for member states 😯 Given the EU cannot properly manage borders or money God knows what a disaster an Army will be.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/commissioners/2014-2019/oettinger/blog/what-your-europe-worth_en

Jamba - their just going to fine google on a regular basis aren't they? Might need to do Apple and a couple of others too, but regular fines - it's the future.

I suspect borrowing £2.5k between them will be more appealing than no job for either back in Portugal.

That'd be 5k between them, are u sure you're in finance?

And funnily enough there's not just Portugal in the rEU....

As for the 10bn a year hole..... So you're now saying we don't send 350m a so to the EU?

I wonder where the EU can find 60bn for their next 7 he budget cycle..... Oh yeah Davis is about to pony that up in his deft handling of the divorce bill

Brexishambles all the way !