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this ealing trust was fined >£100,000 for missing ts A&E targets.
Going to help anyone? That's a hundred k out of the tax payers purse.
It's a 100k back into the "tax payers purse".
But you're right, it doesn't help anyone to punish trusts for the failed policies of central government.
Back to Brexit… anyone still in contact with people who voted Leave to "do the right thing by the NHS"? May has remembered that they exist… she repeated the lies about a Brexit dividend for the NHS at PMQs this week… a dangerous game not to be honest with these people.
Also, i'm fairly sure the NFU were pro-Remain, but their membership were on the whole not.
Let's not shoot the messenger.
and i do think we need to be serious about the ramifications of ignoring the result,
It is not a case of ignoring the result. It is looking at the practicalities and doing what is best which may not be what was voted for but that is what government is for (to look at the finer points and make more reasoned decisions)
Lack of education of many of the population chimes with me. Our education system totally and utterly fails to cater for the non academic and changes made by Gove have made it all much much worse. In science my subject a few years ago we could do BTec Science with weaker pupils or single award gcse science, now everyone has to do double award GCSE, many just cannot do it. Combine this with needing 98/420 over 2 papers to get a 4-4, (equivalent of 2 C's) or maths 47/240 we teach kids that having no idea what is going on can still lead them to be successful. At the 289/420 got you a 9-9 in science thats beyond A* level at less than 70% of the papers correct.
Its no wonder people dont see the value of understanding things.
… she repeated the lies about a Brexit dividend for the NHS at PMQs this week…
i think she was hoping BoJo would pay it for her...
Combine this with needing 98/420 over 2 papers to get a 4-4, (equivalent of 2 C’s) or maths 47/240 we teach kids that having no idea what is going on can still lead them to be successful. At the 289/420 got you a 9-9 in science thats beyond A* level at less than 70% of the papers correct.
I don't particularly like what Gove's done to the education system but I believe the various grade boundaries are adjusted each year so that the percentages achieving A* (or 9 etc) are roughly the same as the year before. Obviously it varies; the year below me was clearly thicker and this was reflected in the results.
Harder paper: fewer marks required to get higher grade. It's also possible that someone is technically correct but the mark scheme doesn't permit them to gain more points for the answer, either because it's missing key words or a logical step is missing in the working.
One of the problems I have with Gove is my own ambivalence towards him: in many respects he's a raving, idiotic, backwards, gammon Brexiteer; yet on his previous secretarial postings he is by all accounts the only person to have ever aimed to understand them. He was the least "conservative" justice secretary in 20 years, and for that I do give him credit.
As someone who went through their GCSE / A Levels in the early 00's, I can distinctly remember that formalised exams started in year 9 with SATS, then mock exams or early GCSEs in year 10, then GCSEs in year 11, followed by AS in year 12, and taking them to A2 in year 13.
Double science was compulsory when I was at school; that's not a recent change.
So - and this is solely my opinion - fewer exams are a good thing.
Obviously it varies; the year below me was clearly thicker and this was reflected in the results.
I would imagine it would be very hard to see that in a big enough sample which AQA take. How do you know they were clearly thicker?
Double science was compulsory when I was at school; that’s not a recent change.
Oh right, all those kids I taught BTec science or single award science for about 10 years must have been a figment of my imagination!
How do you know they were clearly thicker?
You didn’t really take that seriously, surely?
and i do think we need to be serious about the ramifications of ignoring the result,
I've said this since practically day 1. We don't have to leave in order to not ignore the result, that's not the only course of action available to us.
The referendum didn't tell us that the country wanted to leave the EU. It told us that we were a country divided. The result was as near a 50:50 split as makes no statistical difference. The sensible thing to do, and what we should have done, is to look at the result and analyse why people voted to leave and then worked out the best way of acting on that in the country's best interests.
And we've done this subsequently, of course. The single biggest motivator by a long way was concerns around our immigration policy. It was in our power to address this internally, we have the flexibility to exercise tighter checks and balances around immigration but we choose, as a country, not to do this. We could have shored up our policy and that would have been a great chunk of leave voters appeased straight out of the gate.
The NHS was another hot topic. Giving more money to the NHS sounded like such a great idea that they wrote it on the side of a bus. Don't tell me the money isn't there - how much have we spunked in the last two years on court cases, general elections, bungs to the DUP, cash to South African countries to secure trade deals we already have, corporate funding to bribe people like Nissan into not doing a runner, and so forth? We send £350M a week to the EU, why not give it to the NHS as well?
I could go on. All of these things are, ipso facto, honouring the result of the referendum. A referendum which, let us not forget, was a non-binding opinion poll and could cheerfully be ignored anyway if parliament had wanted. Boaty McBoatface was just as much "the will of the people" as the EU referendum.
Whereas (ironically), blindly triggering Article 50 was in fact actually ignoring the result - it conveniently ignored the sixteen and a half million people who wanted to remain. Who's giving a remote shite right now about the will of those people? We won, you lost, shut up and get over it, something about bananas. It's perfectly acceptable to ignore the result of the referendum when it involves people you don't agree with, that's how 21st Century "democracy" works now seemingly.
Double science was compulsory when I was at school; that’s not a recent change.
When I was at school, "Science" (double or otherwise) was taught to the lower streams. The more academic kids got separate subjects for Physics, Chemistry and Biology (and Electronics at GSCE Options time). For reference, ours was the first year ever to do GCSEs rather than O Levels.
I can't find how many people are attending the pro march in Harrogate.
Has anyone turned up?
Good numbers here in London.
When I was at school, “Science” (double or otherwise) was taught to the lower streams.
When I was at school....is usually followed by some pointless, inaccurate or just plain stupid statement.
Before the Gove reforms to GCSE which had the first exams for science last summer a number of different courses were available which fulfilled the requirement for everyone to do science. With the the very low ability having to now do a double award GCSE it means you needed less than 25% to get a C equivalent.
I love the BBC reporting on the demonstration. Several hundred thousand is as far as they will commit, although they do admit stewards estimates as high as 570000 people. And then, just to add kudos they choose to mention that some 150 coaches from all over the country have brought people to the march. Now unless I am way out with my calculations, 150 coaches with 50 people max on each makes about 7500 people. Hmmm, either someone has miss-counted or else that was a wholly pointless statistic to even mention!
When I was at school….is usually followed by some pointless, inaccurate or just plain stupid statement.
Was there any need for that?
Nothing I said was incorrect. "When I was at school" is perfectly valid when talking about being at school rather than making a pissy comment about someone not being able to add up or something.
Meanwhile a typical leave voter...
https://news.sky.com/video/lets-get-back-to-being-a-british-empire-11530606
Jesus, that's depressing.
That's why London needs to sow a giant strip of landmines outside the M25 - maybe with a West Bank style guarded corridor to Oxford and Cambridge and then cut the rest of the country off.
Those people shouldn't even be given suffrage - they didn't even vote because they seem hard up or depressed - no they voted cuz "empire".
Idiots.
China has the right idea with re-education internment camps for anyone who gets uppity.
Just got back from the march. A very British, good natured thing with babies though pensioners queuing quietly (apart from the "Bollocks to Brexit" and "Where's Jeremy Corbyn?") waiting for the march to start. Took until 14:00 for my part of the crowd to get out of Hyde Park and I wasn't at the back. I got as far as Green Lane by 14:30 but bailed out as I've got to pack for an 06:00 flight tomorrow. Crowd was massive - way more than 100,000. I can easily believe 500,000+ as the whole route was packed with the head of the march arriving at Westminster whilst we were still on Park Lane.
Be better to split the country in half and have brexiters on one side and remainers on the other side. Only then the less than super rich people on the brexiter side will realise there error of their ways but tough, they are not allowed into the remainer side. I would love to live in a country such as the remainder country - reasonable people who are able to think about the good of society past their own selfishness
Can't see that plan going wrong, splitting countries in two always works out well...
BBC estimates the crowds in London at 670,000 - any estimates for Harrogate?
Farage, some bloke and his whippet?
Partition should surely be easy.
The brexiters have been saying for months there is no reason why NI needs a hard border with the Republic
So there is no reason that London, South Cambs and Scotland couldn't remain in the EU with the rest off the country departing.
While I have some sympathy with building a bloody big wall between remainers and leavers you do all know there are plenty of us in the North who voted remain don't you? 🙂
So there is no reason that London, South Cambs and Scotland couldn’t remain in the EU with the rest off the country departing.
Except about half the country voted remain. I know it's a bit of a joke but it's also missing the point by over generalising where people voted leave and remain.
in a possible universe.
When I was at school” is perfectly valid when talking about being at school
Yes but as I keep saying up until about 3 or 4 years ago double science wasnt compulsory, I know I was teaching single award or Btec. So people banging on about when I was at school and then sticking their fingers in their ears about an actual fact is well you know, quite Brexit.
What's the problem? And what has it to do with Brexit? Double science isn't for high achieving kids anyway. Oh yeah, was the link Gove? Don't make this a Gove thread… argue/agree with teachers elsewhere… start a new thread if you want.
It was compulsory for certain streams at my school. The top sets got separate sciences, the next down got double science, next got single science, the very bottom set got "why you shouldn't eat crayons" or something.
If you're talking about at a National Curriculum level then you well may be correct, but you cannot possibly dismiss what I said as false unless you attended Hollins County High School in Accrington in 1983.
Except about half the country voted remain. I know it’s a bit of a joke but it’s also missing the point by over generalising where people voted leave and remain.
I apologise. I thought about listing all the remain areas, but on a phone, with the new website, I couldn't quite face it.
So instead, a referendum for each constituency to decide whether they remain or leave. No need for any walls, and we can use the same advanced technology being proposed(*) for the Irish border to maintain frictionless borders between different parts of the country.
For example, South Cambs would probably have a simple EU/EU border with Cambridge, but a WTO border with South East Cambs, but that would be no problem at all.
(*) Unicorns and pixies.
I apologise. I thought about listing all the remain areas, but on a phone, with the new website, I couldn’t quite face it.
So instead, a referendum for each constituency to decide whether they remain or leave. No need for any walls, and we can use the same advanced technology being proposed(*) for the Irish border to maintain frictionless borders between different parts of the country.
Just had a go at making some sense of the breakdown.. but at a regional level Leave never cracked 60%, remain did so over the country it was still way to close. If you break it down further you get some more extreme areas but as no area appears to be the same population size it makes them very hard to compare after that.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
We could have 'EU' and 'Brexit' counties, like the US did with free and slave states for a while.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
https://news.sky.com/story/farage-happy-to-have-another-referendum-in-20-years-11530869
Sky reporting 1200 people.
The MEP was joined by Labour MP Kate Hoey, who has been heavily criticised in her part for her vocal support of Brexit.
"We shouldn't really be here," she said. "We had a clear vote to leave, we know that people knew what they were voting for, even though we are being told people were stupid and racist."
May I suggest a referendum with the simple question of do we want Farage and Hoey in the stocks outside parliament for a week?
The entire cabinet signed off on the NI backstop last December, even Mogg hailed it as a victory, now they say they didn’t understand it. That was a 15 page document, trade deals run to many 1000s. They have got a hope.
I thought I’d dreamt there’d already signed off on it so the only thing stopping the deal is something they’ve already agreed to.
That makes sense er not...
Meanwhile in the real world.
rumours are they (swivel eyed brexiteers) want everyones favourite 70 year old permanently pissed & befuddled politician (not juncker the other one) .............. David Davis in as caretaker PM until were out & the real power play can start
Would the **** wits have enough votes?
I want a second vote . Apparently that's not democratic but you can oust a democratically elected leader.
Would this in any way trigger a GE?
I'm not having that **** running my country.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
I ran past the convention centre yesterday with the intention of shouting some abuse but there was no one there. Which I suppose is reflective of all the Brexit planning, come to think about it.
Perhaps we should have good old DD at the front of the queue, to take some responsibility for the shambles as opposed to resigning out of it all.
Just absorbing some of the recent coverage and I think there is a real danger of Brexit apathy allowing a shit deal to get through. The beeb seems to be trying to spin the “95% of the deal is done, just the knotty little side issue of the Irish border to crack on with now” bullshit. Endangering 20 years of peace and commentating on it like it’s just that last awkward clue in the Times crossword. Idiots.
Crass, bluff, dismissive and showing wanton ignorance. Pretty much how a lot of this disaster happened in the first place.
Still, in other news, I reckon I could have a pretty safe bet on how the racist twunt on the Ryanair flight voted in the referendum (if he could actually get to the polling station without attempting to lynch anyone with a suntan).
Funny thing that we’re all obsessed by the “Withdrawal Agreement.”
We haven’t even got onto trade yet, and by Christ, when we do, the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
Implementation period my arse. There’s **** all to implement. Anyone remember the phrase “parallel talks?” LOLz.
2 years and really, we’re nowhere in the grand scheme.
We haven’t even got onto trade yet, and by Christ, when we do, the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
Ahh but disgraced Liam the Fox said it would be "one of the easiest in human history" because our rules and laws are already the same.
the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
I have an ongoing debate (lasting two years now) with a colleague at work who seriously thinks that trade with the commonwealth will replace that with the EU and everything will be ok. Add to that the video above I suspect the gammons will see us not trading with the EU as a good thing.
May is also still insisting that any backstop for NI is time limited. This means of course that no deal is possible as a backstop is essential to any deal and a time limited backstop is no backstop
I was at Saturday's march, sat on a wall next to Downing St watching the crowds of people move down Whitehall. The atmosphere was fantastic, with a huge turnout from the older generation. I spoke with a few former Leave voters, who've become disillusioned with the reality of Brexit versus the politicians' promises. I saw people waving Labour Against Brexit placards marching next to members of Conservatives For Europe, pretty much the entire political spectrum was represented (even a few Momentum t-shirts), I can safely say that I've never seen so many people in one place before, or am I likely to ever see so many again.
The mood of the marchers was excellent. I saw demonstrators making an effort to clear up rubbish and the atmosphere was very friendly - even the Police outside Downing Street were posing for selfies with the crowd.
It's good to know that Nigel Farage's counter demo mustered 1,400 supporters, I sincerely hope that they had a chance to rub shoulders with us and to talk to one another.#
We travelled up from Bristol for it PJM What an awesome day. Met so many good people. Saw so many hilarious banners. Just one of those life affirming days - who knows if it’ll change anything but at least we were there. My 5 year old 😀:
EDIT: and in the distance, our #BorderAgainstBorders 😬
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Anyone buying this "last 5%" bullshit? No? Good? Carry on…
It was 90% done a year ago, so each incremental advance is taking exponentially longer....
I couldn't go to the march, as I went to the funeral of my uncle instead. He was born in Germany in the middle of the second world war, but was a life-long anglophile, studied teaching in Oxford, and married an English wife. He was a huge part of the local village life in Germany (school teacher) but often came over here - he would jump in his bright orange VW campervan (long before that was trendy and hipster) with his wife and children and come over here and tour around the country, dropping in on unsuspecting relatives. Recently they would show up with ebikes instead and cycle around instead.
He very sadly passed away in this country a few weeks ago, on his last visit here.
Anyone buying this “last 5%” bullshit? No? Good? Carry on…
Always reminds me me of the examples that humans have 95% the same genes as chimps or that all humans only differ by about 0.1%. There is a lot that goes on in the fine detail which makes a big difference.
Also agreeded is not approved or implemented.
And nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. It could be 99.5% agreed, but if we can't come to a landing on the last 0.5%, there's no agreement. Northern Ireland has always been the most problematic part, the bit that unless a lot of people could start thinking very differently, would sink any deal, and 2 years, on, no-one's come up with anything to make it less problematic. Not saying NI border is 0.5%, btw!
Dyson really getting behind brexit Britain. ****.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45950377
Dyson said the decision was based on the availability of engineering talent, regional supply chains and proximity to some key target markets
We we used to have all that.
Sorry for the fb link, but this Robert Peston link answers something I've been wondering... doesn't the "no deal" option guarantee a border in Ireland and so the EU will want to avoid it..?
I think it's 0% chance of 2nd referendum, and 95% chance of "no deal" Brexit.
dont think they make anything here though is it not all R&D ?
No deal does mean a hard border on the island of ireland and thus means the UK has breached its commitments under the good friday ageement
Dyson moved his manufacturing out of UK years ago to lower cost economies,
R and D is principally UK based. Not defending it by the way but I can see the business logic.
Still hope that the quitlings see this and start to wonder if they've been sold a lie by the brexit cheerleaders. I can but dream...
Imagine if Dyson said 'I'm going to build this in the UK as I am so keen on Brexit and the deals we can do. The nature of supply chains and proximity to markets don't bother me - its just a mere detail...' 🙂
The company's founder, Sir James Dyson, has been a prominent advocate for Brexit and recently insisted that the UK leaving the EU with no deal would "make no difference".
There we go… breaking up European supply chains will make no difference to manufacturers who rely on supply chains on the other side of the world.
Dyson's just the same as the rest of them. They spout bullshit about Britain and patriotism, but ignore their words and look at their actions instead and its glaringly obvious they couldn't give a flying * about the UK economy or its citizens.
They're purely in it for themselves and what they can get out of it personally. They're just shameless opportunists who have seen Brexit as a gold-plated opportunity to further line their already bulging pockets, and * the consequences for 'the little people' left picking up the pieces (again!)
Dysons not stupid
From across the water...
Dyson has long bemoaned government's failure to support manufacturing in this country, and while I applaud his business acumen and his investments in r&d in the UK, I'm afraid his unwillingness to invest in UK manufacturing, unlike Jag, nissan etc. belie his motives.
"Dyson has long bemoaned government’s failure to support manufacturing in this country"
I'm not sure I'd be able to find a relevant link, but ISTR one statement from him in the last few years suggested one (main ?) issue was with employment policies - effectively the hire/fire bit wrt to production demands (ie time-varying employment requirements), and how that would have to change before he'd consider production in the UK (I guess there's still the issue of relative cost, but the point made he made about Singapore re car production is that costs there are relatively high).
'Course, perish the thought that anyone would want the stability of a full-time job.
Dyson is the the perfect example of an avid Brexiteer.
1. Will not invest in people only assets
2. As above does not like semi skilled workers who he has to pay a living wage and "employ"
3. Self serving git
4. I have none of his products on principal
5. He moved £1.5 billion to Malta in 2012 and pays * all tax.
This is your future Brexiteers - polishing Dysons windows and Toilets for minimum wage (well actually they will scrap that the minimum wage) so a £1 an hour but you will get €1 exchange rate for your holidays....
Why can people not see through these *s
If Singapore can get an FTA why are we finding it so hard?
If Singapore can get an FTA why are we finding it so hard?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Singapore_Free_Trade_Agreement
It was negotiated eight years ago and it's taken until now. Got a TARDIS handy?
Plus, y'know, they probably didn't have nearly 200 other countries that they'd potentially need to start negotiations with all at once.
And we can get a free trade agrement - that is clear. Problem is it doesn't solve the NI issue
Dyson is the the perfect example of an avid Brexiteer.
1. Will not invest in people only assets
2. As above does not like semi skilled workers who he has to pay a living wage and “employ”
3. Self serving git
4. I have none of his products on principal
5. He moved £1.5 billion to Malta in 2012 and pays **** all tax.
I don't agree with his position on Brexit (its a truly terrible idea) but he is putting forward some kind of reasoned argument. Absolutely not like your average brexiteer. You need to check your facts too. He strongly supports investing in people, employs a lot of very skilled workers and even pays a decent chunk of tax.
I'm old. Really old. At some point I'd love to stop hearing the phrase NI problem.
of course it won't be long in real terms before I do...
As an aside, I was in a wetherspoons in Manchester the other day and there was a poster in the gents telling Theresa May off for being against free trade. I thought it was pretty interesting, not so much that wetherspoons is still putting up political broadcasts, more that they assumed that if Theresa May does pop in for a large breakfast and a pint of stella, she'll go to the gents afterwards.
On the plus side, the EDL march on the same day attracted less people than the 20th anniversary reunion of the Dust Junkys, despite being free, so I guess Manchester is doing OK
He strongly supports investing in people, employs a lot of very skilled workers and even pays a decent chunk of tax.
Yep my dealings with his business are positive.
But I'm really feeling reassured by the latest strong government lead here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45955500
<p class="story-body__introduction">Ferry and freight firms will be urged to plan alternative routes for drugs and other vital supplies if a no-deal Brexit blocks cross-Channel traffic.</p>
The suppliers will be told to use Belgian and Dutch ports if blockages at Calais threaten to delay shipments.The plan emerged after a Cabinet meeting in which ministers were told of contingencies for a no-deal Brexit.
Earlier, MPs were warned that a no-deal could have "catastrophic" consequences for the supply of drugs into the UK.
A senior government source denied there were plans to buy or charter vessels to keep the NHS working.
Instead, private carriers would be expected to carry out their normal roles, the BBC has been told.
But there are worries among ministers and officials that the sudden introduction of border checks at Calais could cause sudden and serious backlogs.
Even if you worked for a good old 80's council job for life you would have been shoved on for that level of crap
All looking really good https://www.ft.com/content/f853b544-d6cb-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8?list=intlhomepage
I like the flotilla idea. It'll be just like Dunkirk. Quitlings will love it.
It’s good to know that Nigel Farage’s counter demo mustered 1,400 supporters, I sincerely hope that they had a chance to rub shoulders with us and to talk to one another.#
I think that most right minded people regard demos/marches as something the nutters do .. so won’t associate themselves with such things.
3/4 of a million in London are all nutters?
The smashing Mr Dyson
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/make-easier-hire-fire-people-11509200
Owns huge areas of agricultural land and received £1.6m in subsidues last year. This is for the avoidance of inheritance tax.
Tax wise anyone heard of the companies Clear Cover and Dark Cover?
Posting here instead of the other thread, but I’m sure someone will bring up Brexit over there soon enough.
I honestly think this
IIRC I saw some stats that showed most people have very little.
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/do-most-folks-have-a-fairly-substantial-amount-of-savings/
Is the thing that worries me the most about Brexit. Are the majority of people really in a financial position to weather any Brexit turmoil, even if it’s relatively mild there’s a lot of people “just about managing” out there.
I personally know people that voted to leave but have nothing in reserve.
I personally know people that voted to leave but have nothing in reserve.
And the chances are they have very little in reserve because of domestic policies over the last 40 years (housing policy has especially limited peoples ability to have anything spare to save IMO), but the media message has been blame Brussels, and our politicians have pandered to this message. So it isn't a surprise they voted leave really.
Now would have been the perfect time to disclose some hard truths, and educate the voting population. Instead they have continued pandering to the lie, even puffed it up with delusions of empire and self importance, and we now have an even more extreme brexit than was imaginable 2 years ago.
The suppliers will be told to use Belgian and Dutch ports if blockages at Calais threaten to delay shipments.
I take it these Dutch and Belgian ports have managed to prepare in advance, so they have all the physical and processing infrastructure in place to cope with a sudden influx of hundreds of British lorries suddenly turning up on their doorstep, all looking for suitable ferries to drive on to?