Not surprising he did that as its all in here
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[quote=jambalaya ]Not surprising he did that as its all in here
Did you even bother to read the link you provided, or did you just assume it supported the #jambafacts? The very first mention of the negotiating specifics is: "negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union".
Hence I'm extremely surprised at John McDonnell ruling that out.
85% of votrs at the GE being cast for Brexit Manifestos.
No.
85% of votes went to one of the two main parties in what is in effect (and has been for decades) a two-party system... we effectively have no realistic choice to vote for either Labour or Tory if we want our vote to count towards putting a government in place that we approve of.
Liberals don't have a strong enough proposition and are badly weakened by their coalition experience. Greens are a tiny party so of course they got tiny numbers of votes. UKIP lost huge numbers of votes. Thank God.
This voting pattern does NOT mean we voted for either Brexit manifesto. Anyone who wants to suggest that is clearly grasping at straws. Correlation does NOT mean causation.
It gives me hope - having to misrepresent stats in order to reassure yourself of your argument is a tacit acceptance of the data not backing up your beliefs.
Brexit will fall apart under it's own contradictions. It is already, and we've not even started the negotiations...
jambalaya - MemberAh deadly still dragging up a post from 3 weeks before the election amdnone I revised downwards.
3 whole weeks before, aye, when Theresa May was playing a blinder. Course, when you revised it downwards to an estimate still spectacularly wrong, you pretended that was what you'd said all along...
Cmon guys, this election was all about Brexit, of TM gaining a mandate! It all went swimmingly: everybody lost. Except the brextremists...
Of course [i]everybody[/i] has voted for a hard brexit... Even me (and I didn't even know it!). It stands to reason, no other interpretation is possible, duh.i feel so stupid...
**** me, just what is Jamba smoking. That sure is some [i]powerful[/i] shit 😯
That is your views because they have not even started negotiations yet.brooess - Member
Brexit will fall apart under it's own contradictions. It is already, and we've not even started the negotiations...
Besides, it is the Conservative party that is in govt not other party(s).
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Oh god. You've nothing to say that you haven't already said before. Please just go away.
Please just go away.
You can make him go away just a bit. All hail the killfile.
PJM1974 - Member
Oh god. You've nothing to say that you haven't already said before. Please just go away.
Unless your supported party(s) has won the election you cannot form the govt. There will be no more election for a term at least.
The newspapers and media might hoodwink or wind you up that there will be an election is simply fantasy.
The news and media are just raking it for themselves. 😮
Think about this do you think the Govt is going to take a risk again? 😆
EU referendum has already been won by Brexit. We are leaving the EU bureaucratic system. 😛
We've had this discussion before, many times. I've politely explained that there's such a thing as a representative democracy and that stuff doesn't always happen just because chewkw says it will. Anything else is simply repetition.
Chewkw, please just either read up on your subject matter and join the [i]debate[/i] or simply just go away.
STOP FEEDING HIM
get the kill file and ignorance really is bliss
Austria has turned Nazi,
Doesn't surprise me at all - Austrians barely have much awareness of their past - unlike Germans and the whole country seems to have a massive entitlement complex considering how affluent they are on average.
For example Linz is a beautiful city, to those that don't remember history - and then you just start seeing darkness and pig ignorance everywhere you look in that city.
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Most people, including Austrians would walk past that balcony utterly oblivious to its history.
Junkyard - lazarus
STOP FEEDING HIMget the kill file and ignorance really is bliss
Link...?
chewkw - MemberThere will be no more election for a term at least.
This is [i]genius.[/i]
you need to then download deluge to make it work - no idea why
Works with chrome browser not sure of others
Doesn't surprise me at all
Well, it should, because it didn't happen.
Exit polls look awful for LePen&Co as well.
I can assure any interested parties that this Chrome add-on has increased my enjoyment of this forum by at least 80%.
I will happily buy whoever wrote it a pint or three.
Exit polls look awful for LePen&Co as well.
8 seats.
What was jamba predicting back when he told us France would lurch to the right?
Hang in, it wasn't 150 was it?
Well, I for one am delighted that the Front National is on the back foot. Long may it stay that way.
Cheers!
[quote=Junkyard ]you need to then download deluge to make it work - no idea why
I have to admit I have no idea what deluge is, and fairly sure I don't have it installed - though I am usually running a dev version of the extension (really should check what the difference is to the current release version) I'm sure the release version also works.
[quote=PJM1974 ]I will happily buy whoever wrote it a pint or three.
See my message above 😉 I'd take a pint off you as I've only done updates, were it not that I've not touched the block user feature - I know who did write it, but I don't think he's on here very often (and his user name is disconcertingly similar to the user who usually prompts its installation!): http://singletrackworld.com/forum/profile/chvck
Back on topic, Labour have mirrored May and her team's "cake and eat it" approach so as not to leave any clear water between the two main parties on Brexit during the General Election, so they couldn't be accused of sliding away from the Leave process. Those hoping that the top two in the Labour Party will take a more sensible approach now the election is done, are probably deluding themselves; they will be aiming to be ready for another snap election.
So… once it's clear the options are "no cake at all" or "remain" (rather than the many fanciful contradictory options hoped for over the last 2 years)… and "the people" don't get given a clear choice between the two [b]real[/b] options… how well is democracy working then?
can you get stats to see who is the most blocked?
We know who it is , and his lead is unassailable, but to what degree.
Well, that's plus two in the last ten minutes.
Today the first dose of reality will arrive.
This past year reminds me very much of the community charge(poll Tax)
1. The community charge. Some people thought it was a good idea.
2. The tories at the time had a large majority.
3. The debates about the Community Charge went on. Some dispute it made
sense. Others warned of the dangers.
4. Some in House of Lords said it was a very bad idea. So the Tories
summoned to the Lords every "backwoodsman" hereditary peer in the land.
5. In what was one of the highest votes in parliamentary history the
government forced the Bill though the upper house. Timetable was kept.
6. It was first implemented in Scotland. Hugely unpopular. [b]Wiped out
Tories in Scotland for political generation.[/b] But the tories shrugged.
7. And then [b]the councils set the amounts to pay.[/b]
The Community Charge became the hated Poll Tax.
8. It did not matter if it was a clever idea. It did not matter if there
was a "mandate". It did not matter the government had kept to the
timetable.
9. [b]When people saw how much the idea was going to cost, they went
against it.[/b]
10. Similarly, the test for Brexit will not be whether mandate or timetable
has been kept, or "Eurocrats" defeated, or even if it is a good idea.
11. [b]The test for Brexit will be when people pay real costs for the
policy.[/b]
So, bearing in mind the points in bold above are warnings from history, if the tories attempt a hard brexit, and once the real costs of leaving and then being on the outside to businesses and individuals come into focus, which will happen very soon, it will spell the end of the tory party.
Sorry, one last OT:
[quote=Junkyard ]can you get stats to see who is the most blocked?
Interesting feature suggestion, but nope (and I suspect it would involve collecting data from users in a way they wouldn't like as everything happens at your end).
FWIW I never used the blocking feature as I disagreed with it on principle and reasoned I could just ignore posts, but I recently started and it's very refreshing!
[quote=El-bent ]11. The test for Brexit will be when people pay real costs for the policy.
The trouble is not only will that come too late to make a difference, but check out interviews of Brexit supporters, most seem to consider the cost to be worth paying to "take back control" and "stop those bloody furriners".
The trouble is not only will that come too late to make a difference, but check out interviews of Brexit supporters,
I understand that brexit supporters will attempt to achieve their aims at any cost to everyone else, they have lived in a dream land for the past year. From today reality comes calling.
They are sitting on a time bomb, and its about to go off.
We're in uncharted waters for sure. However, we've a Prime Minister who continues to damage her own standing with her conduct post Grenfell and who has made several strategic blunders in her negotiations with the DUP and has led a disastrous campaign - [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-leadership-challenge-conservative-tory-leadership-election-2017-a7784226.html ]here.[/url]
The hard-right pro Brexit faction of the party cannot muster enough MPs to mount a serious challenge, despite the bluster in the Daily Heil, Telegraph et al. The 1922 Committee seem to have backed May for now, simply because the other options are utterly toxic and a leadership challenge on the eve of negotiations will ultimately damage the Conservatives' brand even further.
The lack of a commons majority will mean compromise. The voices calling for the whole shebang to be called off are growing louder.
THEFERRET.SCOT can you get stats to see who is the most blocked
A sort of chexit poll!
FWIW I never used the blocking feature as I disagreed with it on principle and reasoned I could just ignore posts, but I recently started and it's very refreshing!
I downloaded it specifically to block chewkw
El-bent somewhere up thread there is a link to a piece with Nigel Lawson, the tories needed a big mandate because they would get hammered in the next election. They would loose seats, but if they started with enough they would remain in power.
Nothing about what is good for the electorate, just about power and keeping it
Judging by the main culprits responses I'm pretty sure they've blocked themselves!
Certainly would explain how they keep repeatedly posting the most ludicrous reality avoiding shite...
I just wish someone could do an iOS killfile. I used to think it was in unnecessary but it really has become extremely tedious of late.
Have we done this? Philip Hammond says that no deal (the most likely outcome IMO, and what Jamba wants) would be very bad indeed:
I note in passing that his odds of being next PM have gone from 14/1 to 7/1.
Memo to self: sell all remaining savings, ISAs, pensions, etc that are invested in the UK.
is hammond no longer part of jambys 85% vote for Hard brexit?
Just make the figures up then present them as factscan you get stats to see who is the most blocked?
[quote=nickjb ]Just make the figures up then present them as facts
Why didn't I think of that? It's not like you lot could have fact checked me if I'd claimed I had the stats here 8)
Seeing Gove being interviewed leaves me feeling bilious
I have to be the honest the longer this Brexit debacle goes on - the more & more ridiculous it & it's supported are becoming....
It's mind blowing that they are STILL blowing the trumpet for it....
wait three weeks then post what you like saying it is what you always said 😛Why didn't I think of that?
Nothing about what is good for the electorate, just about power and keeping it
Yes. When people who voted for brexit heard the line "taking back control", who did they think this "control" was going back to?
What it means is the burning of the terms and conditions of UK citizens, the tories despise anything remotely "social", their behavior towards the greenfell tower fire and on the run up to such an incident is conservative attitude personified. Where was the Government, either national or local at the beginning? It was the community and charities that took up the slack, in the same way that foodbanks are now normal, just how this Government wants it. I've said it before, this is a Government that hates Government, just only wants its power.
Anyone seen as using any social service such as the NHS, or living in social housing are seen as a waste of THEIR money.
Also, this may be a hot topic for some, but the phrase "Turkeys voting for Christmas" has been used a lot about those who voted for Brexit who stand to lose from it. While there are many factors in this such as de-industrialisation, generations left unemployed, and of course the "Foreigners are to blame" lines from the Brexit camp,(working out well now people are dying on the streets) Education has a large part to play. People down the order shall we say, despite there being a public education system which is also under attack from the Government, have been poorly educated and largely ignored once again by this Government.
See the pattern forming?
This is what taking back control is.
