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I am going to try to get dutch residency before brexit day. I have family there and getting them to employ me seems a good idea. If I am in the netherlands employed there before brexit day I have a better chance of keeping my movement rights. Slim chance but better than none.
My sister is going to have to give up her UK citizenship and get a dutch passport to protect her position.
Unless it really looks like scotland will become independent and stay in the EU which of course is the best option.
Oh dear, Phil!
Firstly, how is bellyaching about anything (justifiably or not) on an internet forum actually affecting anything in the real world?
Answer, it isn't. You're just realising that you are struggling to reconcile your own prejudices and attitudes and the result that that kind of sentiment is actually going to have. You just don't like that feeling of utter powerlessness and are lashing out in a futile attempt to sluice off a bit of frustration to make yourself feel a little bit better. Boo hoo.
Secondly. What exactly is it you want me to get behind? I am firmly a remainer and have zero respect for the result. However, I don't want to watch the UK turn (even more) into an outsourced McCountry full of zero hours zombies and a few massively rich patrons. So, what is the plan dude? What is the plan that is going to achieve Brexit and make our lives BETTER (or at least remain the same)? If you can tell me, I'm on board. But you can't because even the softest BRINO is going to damage the economy and make the vast majority of our lives poorer. So, when the answer is so obvious (beg for mercy and either cancel A50 or beg to rejoin at 00:01 on 30th March next year), why would I 'help'? And in any case, no one can say what I can do to 'help'.
Put a sensible and non-damaging Brexit plan forwards and I'm with you, Phil.
Phil has a plan… he wants our biggest export market to suffer financially, and he doesn’t care if there is a knock on effect on UK based workers. He also wants us all to move out of the country, taking our productivity and tax contributions with us.
Entirely wrong I don't actually and get that part I DONT actually give a toss what YOU do , it won't affect me or have a knock on effect what you decide to do and that's the part your not getting. As I said yesterday your part of the problem and won't mobilise anything to do anything than lament the downfall on here.
In fact that was too harsh , you probably voted and lost then decide to sign a petition about how it's so wrong.
your part of the problem
What about my part of the problem?
Or did you mean "you're part of the problem"?
What is this 'problem', though? As I've stated, I'm willing to be proved wrong if Brexit turns out to be great and I've volunteered to 'help' if someone can tell me what to get behind and how it will ensure Brexit has a neutral or positive effect on the UK.
Give me something to get behind and I'm there.
In fact that was too harsh , you probably voted and lost then decide to sign a petition about how it’s so wrong.
Which is still more constructive than the entire department for leaving the EU.
If you are isolated enough that it will not impact you then **** off and let those of us who will be impacted get involved.
I DONT actually give a toss what YOU do , it won’t affect me or have a knock on effect
Him individually, no. But us collectively, yes, it will affect you a lot.
But no in the usual British way instead of getting on with it you now have two tribes **** it up for everyone
I have picked my side. It’s the one with free movement and all that jazz.
as Farage stated before the vote that a loss would not stop the battle it would just be a setback. That is all this is for me. We will come full circle in time. Until that time I will remain in the highly skilled class and have secured a European passport to insulate myself should I need to.
this country will only succeed if we go back to being outward looking. Hiding away behind the water pretending the world has not moved on won’t work.
Think Alan Partridge in a car park "PHIL" PHIL" .... PHIL"....
Wheres the plan Phil.....
I DONT actually give a toss what YOU do
If that's the case, why do you want us to:
get over it.
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Vote with your feet.
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pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living
And probably others if I look further back. For someone who doesn't give a toss what anyone else does, you're rather fond of telling them what to do.
And as for the latter point, I quite like living here, thanks very much. I fail to see why I should move house because someone else wants to set fire to the one I'm currently living in. Arrogant much?
It's just more tedious Brexiter lashing out. It's all the fault of the EU, or remoaners, or foreigners, or...... well, anyone but 'me'.
I'm more than happy to get behind a coherent and sensible plan that delivers a Brexit that is not damaging to the country. I'm even putting to one side all the affirmation of insularity that it will entail, I'm talking economics only (and forgetting all the nasty political stuff) - to keep it easy.
So, Phil. Where's the plan? What am I 'getting behind'? How can I help in a meaningful way? I'm raring to go here, because negativity (justified or not) is wearisome and I fancy a change - so here's the big chance - unveil the brilliant plan.........
What am I ‘getting behind’?
A fantastic opportunity. It will be solved by a technological solution. I wont bore you with the details but its going to be great. You just need to stop being so obstructive and support this amazing solution. The fine details will be worked out by 2020, but you wont want to hear about all the expert babble.. just that it will be a Brexit for the people...
Now fall in line you traitors and get behind this thing....
Phil didn't even vote. His opinions here are absolutely worthless
His opinions here are absolutely worthless
No, no, no. Please don't offend him now. he's just about to unveil 'The Plan'.
Phil? Phil? You out there bro?
I miss phil..... i thought he had a plan, ah well maybe a new "phil" will come along with a plan.
His plan is for us to all "get behind" something, though the tories haven't quite decided what it is yet. Not Chequers apparently. We all voted for it 2 years ago though. If only we hadn't been stopping it happening by whinging on the forum it would have been sorted out long ago.
His plan is for us to all “get behind” something,
Thats unfair there is more to the plan than that. If you arent behind it you can sod off overseas.
When we apply to rejoin the EU, do you think they’ll insist on us joining the group euro and do you reckon we’ll get to keep the special reduce club subs Thatcher negotiated?
Answers on a postcard boys and girls...
Yeah, except I can't cos the ****ers have taken that right away from us! Well they are in the process of doing so. Which is unfortunate as I'm sort of stuck here until my brexity relatives die.
Frankly given the choice between being ruled by the European superstate and the shower of shit that's currently in charge it's not really much of a contest is it?
do you think they’ll insist on us joining the group euro
The same rules will apply as for everyone else; they can insist on an eventual transition to the Euro, at some indeterminate point in the future,
I missed out the wink emoji Scotroutes
And as for the latter point, I quite like living here, thanks very much. I fail to see why I should move house because someone else wants to set fire to the one I’m currently living in. Arrogant much?
Your problems not mine you chose to live with dumb people who got led up the garden path but your yet another who sits around waiting for someone to save you or lead you
You have the power to stop it yet would rather just sit watch it unravel and then blame everyone else
Get off your arse man organise a protest cause some unrest , you never know you might be the hero that's quoted years from now as the person who started the fight back.
But then it's easier to sit back and relax ain't it.
Me my plans don't involve Europe but don't feel too bad, I won't be stuck in this shithole when it goes south.
Phil? Phil? You out there bro?
Sorry had to come to work
Get off your arse man organise a protest
Hang on, I thought you wanted me to get over it. Which is it?
There's plenty of protests being organised, all the time. And you have no idea what I have or haven't done.
I won’t be stuck in this shithole when it goes south.
Ah, there we are. I'm alright Jack, bollocks to the rest of you. You'd make a fine Tory politician.
The same rules will apply as for everyone else; they can insist on an eventual transition to the Euro
Would that be such a bad thing?
Meanwhile, over at Mercedes-Benz,
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Phil the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
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... or maybe because people dont see the point debating with people with the mindset like this...
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Also, Phil, I don’t give two shits if my actions or the actions of remainerrs end up spoiling the prospects of some leavers.
Karma and an eye for an eye , lack of social contract with leavers etc etc.
I’ll be voting out of pure spite for whichever party **** up the Brexit heartlands the most.
Hilariously, that will probably be Tory.
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Get off your arse man organise a protest cause some unrest , you never know you might be the hero that’s quoted years from now as the person who started the fight back.
But then it’s easier to sit back and relax ain’t it.
Those people are exceptional people. Not everyone is like that of course, by definition. So to sit back and say 'well you didn't start a revolution so tough' that's just peurile. And shows you aren't thinking, and just don't give a crap anyway.
Mooman the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
Same story still no vision
Me my plans don’t involve Europe but don’t feel too bad, I won’t be stuck in this shithole when it goes south.
You're moving to a different continent?
or maybe because people dont see the point debating with people with the mindset like this
Plenty of other people to debate with. But well cherry-picked.
So,is Phil Jamba,THM,or another of the usual suspects?
Not as finessed as THM, not as false data driven as Jamba - I would go for another of chewk "personalities"
I don't think it's an alt account. And Chewkw doesn't have a personality that I'm aware of. (-:
Does it come with egg and chips or pineapple?
At least they have the same plan as tory party is currently using
but your yet another
Jesus H Christ. It is “you’re”, man. This work you had to go to, it wasn’t teaching English was it?
I also hope it wasn’t project management. “Right, folks, I’ve got this really ace project. Well, it’s actually a shit idea that’s going to make most people’s lives a fair bit worse, but we’ve got to just ignore that and crack on with it. What’s that? A project plan? Nah, you’ve just got to believe it guys”.
So, Phil, what is this plan I’m suspending all my cynicism to get involved with? I really want to believe in you here, fella, so hit me with it.......
Tusk has just put Hunt back in its place . Surely that moron ( Hunt ) knows that people on the continent have Tv and internet ?
What’s that? A project plan? Nah, you’ve just got to believe it guys”.
There's the truth of it. You have to have faith.
And if we can avoid the distractions on the thread for a second, it seems May is now going for a (not 'the' :D) customs union backstop with an indeterminate end point.
It's the only way to get around the Irish border issue and will prevent a crash out with no deal and stand a chance of being ratified by Parliament.
But then everyone already knew that anyway. Every time the can gets kicked the argument for leaving only gets weaker. Not that there was an argument in the first place, bad choice of words. Appetite might be a better word.
Is that the George Michael plan Slowoldman?
Matty - still will be unacceptable to the EU. The irish border backstop needs for NI to be in full regulatory alignment until another solution is found. A time limited solution has been categorically ruled out.
And Corbyn made this possible for her with his pronouncements at the Labour conference. He said he'll whip to support "a" Customs Union… and, yes, full regulatory alignment until a new deal replaces the backstop (no other time limit). Still paying in as well, just no CAP contributions, etc. May has been carefull to say current size of payments is a redline, not payments in principle. Will MPs (of both parties) play along though? Many will not, but how many? And will they start new parties?
Matty – still will be unacceptable to the EU. The irish border backstop needs for NI to be in full regulatory alignment until another solution is found. A time limited solution has been categorically ruled out.
From what I can tell, May is walking the line and is saying that UK will be in full regulatory alignment with the CU/SM for an indeterminate period. That will keep the Irish happy as it won't mean different rules for NI.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, blue and red politicians are being as ambiguous as they possibly can at the moment for fear of losing face to those that might unseat them..
.. Slowly but surely reality is setting in, the speed it setts in is different between the electorate, the tabloids and the MPs, but reality is starting to dawn.
So confirmed. Vote Leave broke the law, and the Electoral Commission mishandled the referendum.
https://goodlawproject.org/another-defeat-electoral-commission/
Will make no difference to anything but hey.
Phil doesn't know the difference between your and you're
This is encouraging
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I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Well I'm afraid to say that brexit will be as much a disappointment for you as it will everyone else- it's literally impossible for it to cost them more than it costs is. Think of it as us cutting off our own dicks- yes the EU loses a dick but they still have 27 more, we'll have none.
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Phil doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re
This is encouraging
https://twitter.com/ftbrussels/status/1047985901605928960?s=21
Brexit set to hit poorly educated men most, says IFS
Yeah but........sovereignty, taking back control, faceless eurocrats, unelected officials, our own laws and regulations, Britain for the British/English, we want out, brexit means brexit means absolutely ****-all apart from a meaningless soundbite thought up by a 21 year old **** with a politics and social studies degree and anyone who voted leave for the above reasons needs taken outside and lobotomised to prevent them from ever voting again........... and i'd line up phillxx1975 for special attention, no justifiable reason - he just irkes me and in the mood i'm in at the moment i'd quite happily wield and apply the knitting needle to anyone that crosses my path.
still won't work matty
the EU side have been very clear on this. the UK will not be allowed full access to the single market and the customs union unless it stays signed up to everything - ie stays in the EU completely Any "backstop" solution must be NI specific. This is to avoid the UK gaining a competitive advantage by having full access tarriff free to the CU and SM but not having to abide by environmental standards and so on.
They are prepared to allow NI to gain that advantage as it so small and its manufacturing sector is so small to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland.
Any backstop for NI must also exist until a (impossible) technological solution is found and must not be time limited
Mays latest proposals do not come close to meeting the basic principles.
Yes May is being deliberately ambiguous and vague as she tries to square the circle. However she has been told by the EU side she needs to produce concrete proposals by the end of the week.. Vague and ambiguous will not do
With talks deadlocked over the backstop, the British government wants a temporary customs arrangement that would keep the whole of the UK in an EU customs union, but with the right to sign trade deals with other countries.
Varadkar poured cold water on the UK’s proposals. The EU could not accept a situation, he said, where British companies had access to European markets but were able to outcompete European rivals by lowering labour, product or health and safety standards. “To do free trade you have to do fair trade as well,” Varadkar said in a nod to deep concerns on this issue that have been raised by France, the Netherlands and other member states.
Staying in the CU indefinitely won't work for any of the brexiters.
I've been saying this for months. It's the least-worst leave option but no-one wants a 'soft' brexit, not Leave and not Remain.
any proposal has to be acceptable to the EU. NOthing May has proposed is remotely acceptable. Partly because she is in thrall to the DUP and partly because she cannot get an acceptable proposal thru parliament
There is no solution that squares this circle. anything other than remain needs special arrangements for NI. DUP will not stand for that.
**** off with you’re poorly educated jibe kelvin
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Cougar shouldn't you be off making some plan to save your countrymen from the impending doom or do you think correcting grammar will be enough?
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">IIsee no one is stepping up to the plate here are they and I had hope for you.</span>
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Pwned.
especially as I only really give you lot time in between squeezing a shit out.
What you're writing seems to be created by squeezing a shit out.
It's OK, there will always be a warm welcome overseas for those hardest-hit by Brexit.
calm down folks let Phil lay out his vision/plan for a positive economic Brexit.
Phil the floor (forum) is yours...
Again a polite request.
**** off with you’re poorly educated jibe kelvin eh you wouldn’t stand in front of me in fact anyone I would wager and mouth off so why do it from the comfort of your keyboard.
Oh the ironing
IIsee no one is stepping up to the plate here are they
Sorry, what plate would you like me / us to step up to?
Any answer to @dannyh's question on the previous page? (Or mine for that matter.)
Phil if you put something tangible up for discussion then people are less likley to respond negatively to the "just get on with it" "get behind it" rhetoric.
People on here like detail and they like to debate (argue) about it. They dont like populist statements.
calm down folks let Phil lay out his vision/plan for a positive economic Brexit.
I fear it is too late, the full gammon phase has now started.
Cougar shouldn’t you be off making some plan to save your countrymen from the impending doom or do you think correcting grammar will be enough?
standards... If we are going to compete on the world stage without any protection we need to learn how to communicate. Otherwise we just look foolish.
**** off with you’re poorly educated jibe kelvin eh you wouldn’t stand in front of me in fact anyone I would wager and mouth off so why do it from the comfort of your keyboard.
In this hypohetical situation, where we bump into each other, would you have already been swearing your head off, telling people to leave the country, yet still expecting those same people to be nice as pie to you? I've got nothing against you, and I'm looking forward to you making some kind of point in this thread, rather than just having a go at people. Don't expect to keep giving it out and not get a few little fun digs in return… especially if there's a way of doing it and simultaneously make a point relevant to this thread.
Phil, Phil, Phil. You have confused me.
You have stated that you didn't vote on the issue.
You have stated that you are (or you're if you prefer) planning to leave the country (to a non-EU location).
You state that anyone not behind brexit should leave the country.
So...are you against brexit? If not, why are you planning to leave and why should people 'get behind' something you yourself are running away from?
Frankly, it's quite hard to see why you are so angry at people who are complaining about brexit when you, yourself are planning to run from it. Hence my confusion.
Phil, has somebody been sending you PMs? Phil?
Your , you’re is all the effort I’m prepared to put in here I’m afraid .especially as I only really give you lot time in between squeezing a shit out.
In between? I thought that’s what you were actually doing, on here...
What happened to that Dick person that all of a sudden appeared , upset us all then vanished?
dickENS, his name was dickENS
but I can see why you might have misremembered his username
are you calling Phil (a) Dick?
He's referring to "rugbydick" I believe. Still an active user, he's posted elsewhere on STW today (just not here).
don't you mean Philip K Dick?
Some of the Brexidreams could be based on his work
He’s referring to “rugbydick” I believe. Still an active user, he’s posted elsewhere on STW today (just not here).
I don't think I've upset anyone. Well, not on this forum anyway...
My only post on here was to ask what I can do about the current situation. I want Brexit stopped!!
nah the troll/spare user was dickens, seems to have moved on, obviously the challenge of coming up with a plausible vision for Brexit has taken up too much of his time