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[quote=jambalaya ]Look at their list of free trade arranegments, its like a who's who of small and irrelevant nations
Ah, that's what you're pinning your hopes on regarding a free trade deal?
binners - Member
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
This is clearly silly. We'll need (and get) a bilateral agreement with the EU, if we don't just stay part of the Single European Sky, like Norway and Switzerland and some of the Balkans. However, it's also silly to pretend this won't come with a membership fee (SES) or disadvantage to UK carriers (bilaterals).
This is clearly silly. We'll need (and get) a bilateral agreement with the EU, if we don't just stay part of the Single European Sky, like Norway and Switzerland and some of the Balkans. However, it's also silly to pretend this won't come with a membership fee (SES) or disadvantage to UK carriers (bilaterals).
Which is why we would all be better served if the Tories came clean and explained the deal they are looking at. No deal is a non starter. To even pretend is pointless, there is no way no deal can be considered.
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
Until it fails, then it will be the blame game.
We are going into the most essential trade talks of generations with people fuelled on evangelical ideology who know nothing of how the world of business actually works. They genuinely haven't got the first clue!We are truly ****ed!!! The main problem is that the labour front bench, such as it is, is equally as barren of business nous.
Instead of wailing about it, What you gonna do about it?
vote?
what else would you propose?
Yet No Deal polls well with the electorate and plenty on here buy into the myth, so the Tories will keep on using the lie to win, it worked with Brexit after all
And when it fails, how messy?
Do we really want to go back to the riots of the early '80's because that is the logical next step when people realise they have been shafted.
I'm genuinely baffled by what you've posted in the last two pages of thread, not because I disagree with you, but because it appears to be complete gibberish.
I feel that this is appropriate, sums up my attitude in a lighthearted way at least.........
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And when it fails, how messy?Do we really want to go back to the riots of the early '80's because that is the logical next step when people realise they have been shafted.
Andrew Rawnsley wrote an article in the Guardian on this subject, a couple of months back. He was reporting that there are plenty of moderate Tory MP's who are privately expressing just this concern. That when the reality of where the right of the Tory party want to take Brexit dawns on people (slashing [s]red tape[/s] workers rights, environmental controls, food standards and other regulation etc, etc, etc....)... and people realise the truly huge extent to which they were lied too and deceived... that this is exactly what's going to happen. And those warnings are coming from within their own party
@chewkwI'm genuinely baffled by what you've posted in the last two pages of thread, not because I disagree with you, but because it appears to be complete gibberish.
I think the chewkbot algorithm is broken
chewk youre not running on an XP machine in a russian warehouse somewhere are you?
I suppose it makes a change from the usual crap flood of controversial assertions without citation, chewkw and I have had numerous exchanges about this as I would argue that it contravenes the forum rules. However, it's very hard to argue that indecipherable sentences which cannot be understood constitute trolling.
Some of the online personas on this forum are absolutely fascinating IMHO.
I'm equally obnoxious in real life
I have met you and you are not 😉
Chewkw wants attention whilst you deliver it he will deliver the posts
I wonder what someone actually has to type to actually be ignored on here* as clearly incomprehensible gibberish is not the threshold for so many of you who continue to feed.
* Lucid measured and factual?
Has Turkey joined the EU yet?
waiting for either greece to explode or the EZ to implode
For my part, I genuinely like to engage with people who have differing points of view to my own. I'm quite happy for chewkw or anyone else to take part in a discussion, provided that forum rules are respected. We don't (yet) have a facility to ignore particular posters on here, a conscious decision taken by the moderators although I would argue that one would improve the standards of debate considerably.
Isn't EZ GDP growth higher than the UK's at present, and while the historically low unemployment we have enjoyed as part of the EU is set to rise the admittedly high EZ unemployment is falling?
#TakeBack... oh I can't be bothered
We don't (yet) have a facility to ignore particular posters on here, a conscious decision taken by the moderators although I would argue that one would improve the standards of debate considerably.
its was practically created for him and I imagine he is the number 1 reason for its use
he probably enjoys this fact.
Isn't EZ GDP growth higher than the UK's at present, and while the historically low unemployment we have enjoyed as part of the EU is set to rise the admittedly high EZ unemployment is falling?
Which from what i have been reading ties back to productivity, the UK has gone for cheap employees rather than investing in machinery. Net result the UK has low unemployment, and low wages, France for example has higher unemployment because they went the other way.
No wonder Merkel is happy to ditch Brexit Britain & Trumpland
Canadian GDP: +0.9% growth
German GDP: +0.6% growth
Japanese GDP: +0.5% growth
French GDP: +0.4% growth
US GDP: +0.3% growth
UK GDP: +0.2% growth
Italian GDP: +0.2% growth
its Ok weve got a trade deal with canada through the EU
oh wait...
I like this one from the FT
Brexit Overload
FT Research shows UK must remake 759 accords with 168 countries
Does this surprise anyone? Lets see the kippers explain how they have shafted the UK to the benefit of Putin?
mrmo - MemberDoes this surprise anyone? Lets see the kippers explain how they have shafted the UK to the benefit of Putin?
What surprise? It's all so predictable because they (insufferable [b]Demon[/b]crats) are just abusing the system by using it to intimidate political opponents, through investigating each and everyone that support President Trump in order to find dirt to pin on President Trump. 😆
“Nigel has never been to Russia, let alone worked with their authorities,” the spokesman said. But he did not respond to questions about whether Farage was aware of the FBI inquiry; had hired a lawyer in connection to the matter; or when Farage first met Trump.The spokesman also declined to comment on whether Farage had received compensation from the Russian state-backed media group RT for his media appearances. RT, which has featured Farage about three times over the last 18 months, also declined to comment, citing confidentiality.
Farage has said he only met Assange once has but declined to say how long the two have known each other.
So definitely nothing to see here then. Remember don't lie about something your going to be caught out on.
*coughs* chewkw...
Assertion, with no citation.
And yes, for the purposes of lively debate as set out in the forum rules, I do consider repeated assertion without citation to be trolling.
Having read the piece in the Guardian, the following quote jumps out:
Farage has not been accused of wrongdoing and is not a suspect or a target of the US investigation. But being a person of interest means investigators believe he may have information about the acts that are under investigation and he may therefore be subject to their scrutiny.
Notice how our own government has kept Farage at arm's length since last June. No gongs awarded, no appointments offered.
Notice how our own government has kept Farage at arm's length since last June. No gongs awarded, no appointments offered.
Do you think that was ever likely?
Nothing to see here at all...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/when-nigel-farage-met-julian-assange
It will be interesting what the FBI decide to do next with regard to Farage. The rules on funding election campaigns were definitely stretched on the run up to the referendum: [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/24/eu-referendum-spending-official-campaigns-investigation-opens-electoral-commission ]DUP link to Leave[/url]
There's been a whiff of scandal around Farage's links to Assange and Russis [url= http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/19/frazzled-nigel-farage-ends-interview-by-telling-reporter-to-go-on-a-comedy-show-6648497/ ]The DMG owned Metro newspaper[/url]
I do believe that we've been had.
I would weap so if Farage were to be locked up by the Feds.
I can't think of anyone who deserves it more (ok may be a few)
Has Turkey joined the EU yet?
Not yet no, 80% of the French are against it anyway. Not that that ever stopped the Eurocrats from pursuing their agenda.
George Sorros was pointing out the obvious today in Brussels. The EU is bust and most worringly for the 27 going in completely the wrong direction.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/06/01/dysfunctional-eu-has-plunged-existential-crisis-george-soros/ ]Dysfunctional EU has plunged into an existential crises[/url]
igm - Member
I would weap so if Farage were to be locked up by the Feds.I can't think of anyone who deserves it more (ok may be a few)
Nahhh not going to happen no matter how much hate you have for him that's not going to happen. It's very normal for people to have alternative views you don't like. Nothing you can do about it.
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slowoldman - Member
Notice how our own government has kept Farage at arm's length since last June. No gongs awarded, no appointments offered.
Do you think that was ever likely?
I think Farage should be Knighted or being made Lord ... Imagine having to address Mr Farage as Sir Nigel Farage or Lord Farage, in the House of Lord that will be brilliant.
I don't hate him Chewkw.
He's just scum that needs cleaning up. That's all.
Plenty of Lords been locked up over the years too.
Anyway it does seem the FBI (lead by a Republican when they started investigating the Trump regime) are on a bit of a mission to root out corrupt far right types. They might as well have Farage. Saves us the trouble.
He's just scum that needs cleaning up. That's all.
If he has been on Putins payroll IMO he should be tried for Treason.
Agreed
If ... 😆mrmo - Member
He's just scum that needs cleaning up. That's all.
If he has been on Putins payroll IMO he should be tried for Treason.
What if Russia and UK are good friends? Will that be considered treason or does treason only apply to people you/we don't like? Ya, something to think about eh ... 😛
Farage is undoubtably the most successful politician over the past 25 years, maybe longer. He virtually single handedly got the EU Referendum to happen.
Farage is undoubtably the most successful politician over the past 25 years, maybe longer. He virtually single handedly got the EU Referendum to happen.
That's not a success.......................
Farage is scum Jamba. End of.
Anybody watching QT? Apparently being able to buy M&S clothing in China means it will all be OK 🙄
pretty sure you have to get voted in as an MP to stake that claim and whatever the merits of that claim [ not much] its certainly not doubtless.Farage is undoubtably the most successful politician over the past 25 years,
Its fair to say he has achieved a vote on the one issue he cared most about but I think that is so far off the scale of OTT i am not even sure he would claim it at the end of a lock in.
PS it is clearly Putin who can claim that mantle of most successful* politician and both are scum.
* if we mean simply still in power.
Farage is undoubtably the most successful politician over the past 25 years, maybe longer. He virtually single handedly got the EU Referendum to happen
Crikey, if that's the definition of any "most successful politician" gong, the bloody bar is submerged.
Farage should be knighted or be made Lord because he is that good.
Arise Sir Nigel Farage or Lord Farage coz he has done something no politicians got the balls to do it and succeed.
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