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Nothing beautiful about Jamba's prediction, but it's probably a very good one.
A large Tory majority seems more likely as the fortress Britain rhetoric ramps up.
And with it kiss good bye to the NHS, any traces of the welfare state, anything that might impede big business from making money, worker rights etc.
And with it kiss good bye to the NHS, any traces of the welfare state, anything that might impede big business from making money, worker rights etc.
S'funny, that's what the lefties said would happen at the last election, and the one before that, and the one before that, but it turns out that bar some minor tinkering round the edges all those things are as big as they were before, and the government is spending more than ever on them
The whole thing is turning very much "boy who cried wolf"
all those things are as big as they were before, and the government is spending more than ever on them
yes, of course they are.
Number of three-day emergency food supplies given by Trussell Trust foodbanks:
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Primary Reasons for Referral to Trussell Trust foodbanks:
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-- https://www.trusselltrust.org/news-and-blog/latest-stats/end-year-stats/
S'funny, that's what the lefties said would happen at the last election
as deluded as ever ninfan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/25/record-level-cancelled-urgent-operations-nhs-england/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/homelessness-record-levels-numbers-rise-9688811
In this case I take no pleasure in proving you completely wrong
Perhaps if they didnt get free food they would stop breeding & get off their backsides & do better for themselves.
Perhaps if there was no healthcare people would choose not to get sick
More seriously though, perhaps if we had a properly functional welfare state and big companies paid properly instead of expecting the taxpayer to subsidise their wage bill we wouldn't need food banks.
oldtalent - Member
Perhaps if they didnt get free food they would stop breeding & get off their backsides & do better for themselves.
especially the 436,938 children, time for the workhouse to be brought back !
Well there are complex reasons why people visit food banks. Apparently.
Like hungry?
It's fairly obvious that the lack of affordable housing, minimum wage and inflation currently provide problems for poor folks. It is easy to say "get off your arse" and there is no shortage of minimum wage jobs in most parts of the UK but the next 10 years is going to deliver a bigger employment change via automation and these people lack the education and motivation to retrain. We have a hotel chain client who are already deploying a five year automation plan to its 35 UK hotels, this is partially to do with Brexit and a fear they will loose their EU staff.
The employment model will change beyond recognition and the highly skilled/educated will do well the rest will be consigned to history.
The Tories understand this and they know that reducing the average benefit bill per person is critical for the long term as it's is highly likley that "proper" unemployment is going to increase.
The reality of a crap brexit (which it will be) is the UK has very little it can do to survive and investment in automation (both creating and using) is the only way the economy can be maintained - the misery is that around 20% of the workforce (maybe more) will not be required.
Anyone who doubts this needs to think about -
Driverless cars/taxis/delivery vans/buses/trains/trams/metro
All warehouse functions
90% of Admin
Hotels
Manufacturing
All online services
Inland revenue etc
Accountancy
Financial services
Agriculture
Food processors
Retail
Ports
Airports
The employment model will change beyond recognition and the highly skilled/educated will do well the rest will be consigned to history.The Tories understand this and they know that reducing the average benefit bill per person is critical for the long term as it's is highly likley that "proper" unemployment is going to increase.
It's interesting - there was a good programme on radio 4 last night discussing the French economy, and how productivity per employee hour was higher, but employment was lower (French youth unemployment figures being particularly dire). A lot of this was put down to franch companies and farmers previously investing more heavily in automation due to the higher costs of employment (wages plus taxes), however suggesting that the real fear was now that even those big companies were looking to relocate to Poland and Romania (see the recent whirlpool issue issie i. The French elections)
They also discussed how French social & welfare bill was highest in Europe
Perhaps if they didnt get free food they would stop breeding & get off their backsides & do better for themselves.
[i]*Not sure if sarcastic trolling or just a heartless monster*[/i]
Poe's Law.
Just in case, why not read some of these stories and tell us which people you'd have left to starve?
https://www.trusselltrust.org/what-we-do/real-stories/
It is easy to say "get off your arse" and there is no shortage of minimum wage jobs in most parts of the UK
Looking at the Trussel Trust figures, "Unemployment" is given as the primary reason for referral in just 0.03% of cases.
"Low income", which presumably includes some of those minimum wage jobs, is the main reason at 26.45% of referrals.
While it is always going to be difficult to get the truth of what is actually said by people behind closed doors the recent "event" between Junker and May along with the Guardian article Varoufakis [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may ]Greek finance issues[/url] wrote highlights to me one of the reasons we are better out of the EU than in it.
The rumour was true though. May is definitely delusional.
May is insistent on opacity when the EU have made it clear there will be full transparancy.
Forget "behind closed doors", she has no chance of getting away with that.
Perhaps if they didnt get free food they would stop breeding & get off their backsides & do better for themselves.*Not sure if sarcastic trolling or just a heartless monster*
Poe's Law.
Just in case, why not read some of these stories and tell us which people you'd have left to starve?
https://www.trusselltrust.org/what-we-do/real-stories/It is easy to say "get off your arse" and there is no shortage of minimum wage jobs in most parts of the UK
Looking at the Trussel Trust figures, "Unemployment" is given as the primary reason for referral in just 0.03% of cases.
"Low income", which presumably includes some of those minimum wage jobs, is the main reason at 26.45% of referrals.
Yes, and low income people does pay the most biggest bill of the brexit. Inflation in UK is already like 2.3% and going up. Minimum salary is not going to be enough in the future. I was surprised how much there are really poor people living in a UK.
Bikingcatastrophe - MemberWhile it is always going to be difficult to get the truth of what is actually said by people behind closed doors the recent "event" between Junker and May along with the Guardian article Varoufakis Greek finance issues wrote highlights to me one of the reasons we are better out of the EU than in it.
TBH the handling of the Greek crisis was the one thing that really made me want to go "**** the EU". Didn't satisfy anyone and never really attempted to, caused yet more unneccesary harm to Greece, all it did was kick the can further down the road. Watching the troika at work, you just think these people shouldn't be left in charge of a corner shop. Having Greece turn up at meetings saying "here's the best way through this that we can see" and be told "Oh no, you just don't understand the rules, we're not looking for a solution that works, we're looking for a punitive outcome that just puts things off for a few more years" Of course, that's a eurozone issue rather than an EU issue but the underpinnings and the institutions are pretty inseperable.
In the end, I settled on not liking the EU much at all but still seeing it as a net positive but I think it unsettled a lot of previously europhile people and especially a lot of passionate, black-or-white people.
highlights to me one of the reasons we are better out of the EU than in it.
so quitting is better than trying to improve something we have benefited massively from?
our calibre of MEPs -kippers have the worst attendance record of the whole parliament- are so low that some of our lack of influence is our own fault
TBH the handling of the Greek crisis was the one thing that really made me want to go "**** the EU".
**** the EU or just **** those people? The EU as a concept is much bigger than whoever's in charge at any moment, or even its current political landscape. That's the big issue here I think. The EU is far more than its current implementation.
molgrips - Member* the EU or just * those people? The EU as a concept is much bigger than whoever's in charge at any moment,
It wasn't just about individuals though.
Pretty good analysis of the "Brexit Bill" makes a few points I have been making
1) EU needs the headlines ti be about how much money it will (cough) be receiving as the alternative conversation is about how much extra some mber states will be paying and/or how much less others will be receiving
2) Preposterousness of the bill is clear when you realise by the same logic should Poland leave the EU they would receive a €100bn and the Greeks €50bn 🙂
3) European Investment Bank is a can of worms and potential back door route for the EU to ensnare the UK in future eurozone bailouts. Hence my desire to see us withdraw from it and have it leave London.
[url= http://brexitcentral.com/eu-obsession-britain-money-exposes-vulnerability/ ]Linky[/url]
Interesting, except that the headlines about the amount the UK could owe come from the UK press. EU27 countries [b]have[/b] been discussing/arguing about their additional payments. That piece is written by someone who ignores what is actually happening in other countries, and then blames them for that ignorance.
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[ latest silly high figure about the UK's outstanding contribution came from the FT ]
[ one of the factors they used to get the new high figure was insistence by member states that they won't plug the gap ][/i]
so quitting is better than trying to improve something we have benefited massively from?
You think its better that we just stay together, unhappy, in a loveless relationship, just for the sake of the kids?
might be better than giving the missus the kids and the house and moving in to a bedsit.
Well ninfan talk to you other half, kindle the love, don't let your Brexy press spend 20 years bullying her...
might be better than giving the missus the kids and the house and moving in to a bedsit.
All well and good for her she thinks, but I know she can't pay the mortgage without me, and it looks like the Turkish neighbour she was planning to set up a new life with is actually a control freak with even less money than me, whose house is overrun with next-doors kids.
edit: And whilst the bedsit may be uncomfortable for a while, I'm getting on increasingly well with this American girl down the road who may be a bit bipolar, but she's got loads of money.
might be better than giving the missus the kids and the house and moving in to a bedsit.
But we get all the spent nuclear fuel, all the plutonium...
The issue with Greece is more about the lunacy that is the Euro than the EU as a whole.
ninfan - MemberYou think its better that we just stay together, unhappy, in a loveless relationship, just for the sake of the kids?
I think considering all the other ways we've ****ed with the kids, yes, that seems like a pretty good idea.
I know she can't pay the mortgage without me
Given how most divorce settlements go, you may want to re-think that analogy:
Oh look she got the kids, your life savings, the house, half your income and all your friends.
Meanwhile you are left living in a squalid one bedroom flat with an aromatic view of the sewage works and nothing but a six pack of extra strength value lager and your acidic bitterness for company.
But hey, at least you took back control eh? 😉
[i]"But doesn't she know she needs me more than I need her?"[/i] you mumble to yourself, as the last can falls from your lips and spills slightly on your yellowed y-fronts...
(Edited for good taste. Sorry)
its not a DIVORCE is it
we arent to try to claim half of Europe or assets belonging europe,
as someone said earlier its a business and telling someone unless we get this your not even getting a foot in the door is called blackmail
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It is a divorce - we were integrated and we shared a lot of stuff, now we have to separate it.
its a business and telling someone unless we get this your not even getting a foot in the door is called blackmail
How can it be business but also "blackmail"?
If one company had specific preconditions that it wanted met before it negotiated a deal with another company then you wouldn't call that blackmail.
and here is a thought, why did the UK shack up with the EU in the first place? nothing to do with the economy collapsing? Nothing to do with the declining living standards, etc etc etc.
[quote=ninfan ]edit: And whilst the bedsit may be uncomfortable for a while, I'm getting on increasingly well with this American girl down the road who may be a bit bipolar, but she's got loads of money.
you clearly haven't noticed her cosying up with your ex behind your back, having realised you're not worth wasting time on now you're a no hoper in a bedsit
LMAO!!!trying to improve something
You must have a short memory. Don't you remember what was in Cameron's begging bowl when he tried to negotiate reform?
The EU is incapable of reform. If they showed any sense they were willing to reform then I for one would have voted differently.
They for starters should lock Juncker away in a dark room as every time he opens his mouth it makes me realise I am glad I voted out.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39816044 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39816044[/url]
I appreciate we all have a right to an opinion, but the amount of negative comment on this forum makes you feel like you are posting on the EU Commission forum.
The EU is incapable of reform.
It's changed a lot over the years.
you clearly haven't noticed her cosying up with your ex behind your back, having realised you're not worth wasting time on now you're a no hoper in a bedsit
yeah, someone reckoned that, but it turns out that in reality we have mutual friends and we, well, you know, sort of speak the same language - plus luckily we have known each other for years, in fact the past we had to help my ex out of all sorts of messed up situations, so she knows just how untrustworthy my ex really is.
The fun part is that many anti-EU people seem to be able to believe simultaneously that the EU is incapable of change, but also that it's changed massively and exceeded its original mandate and purpose.
The EU is incapable of reform. If they showed any sense they were willing to reform then I for one would have voted differently.
thats just trotting out brainless tropes from the rightwing press
EU law is constantly evolving, something that the UK has played a huge part in shaping
the new EU patent court was largely driven by the UK
and weve had huge involvement in science regulation throughout the EU, which has become the global standard for many areas of research
comments like the above make me think that brexit is just an exercise in ignorance and anti-intellectualism
EU law is constantly evolving, something that the UK has played a huge part in shaping
the new EU patent court was hugely driven by the UK
That's why the ex analogy doesn't really work, we are the eu ..........and as for Turkey joining, well.
"comments like the above make me think that brexit is just an exercise in ignorance and anti-intellectualism"
Well they have had enough of experts........
How can it be business but also "blackmail"?
If one company had specific preconditions that it wanted met before it negotiated a deal with another company then you wouldn't call that blackmail.
I never coined the term "business" someone else did a few pages pack iirc
No your right to some degree however being told unless you pay our bill we arent prepared to consider any further discussion on any other topics .....what is that called?
So much butt hurt over a little joke, jeez. Wasn't it supposed to be the liberals that are 'professionally offended'?