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Retail stores are being killed off by business rate that are going to the bureaucrats.
And once the WTO tax hikes kick in we are properly ****ed.
Trump prefers them
Not trying to discuss their politics but
Good to see you have given that one up.
And once the WTO tax hikes kick in we are properly ****.
Political parties like to blame each others but non got the balls to deal with business rate.
Good to see you have given that one up.
Politics? LOL! People are just doing stuff as they see fit coz that is their identity and the nature of things.
Brexit or anti-Brexit ... they are who they are. Ain't going to change.
Frankly, I don’t see Superdry surviving for long in their current retail chain concept but as independent store perhaps
Revenue of £3/4 bn last year, and have seen a 22% profit rise so far this year, bucking the trend of high street retailers ,
not sure that your pocket gripes are holding them back, but you could always drop them an email with your observations & theories
Chewkw are you a shoplifter? Just saying "big pockets"
Revenue of £3/4 bn last year, and have seen a 22% profit rise so far this year, bucking the trend of high street retailers ,
not sure that your pocket gripes are holding them back, but you could always drop them an email with your observations & theories
High revenue does not mean long term survival. One bad year and all those revenue will be wiped off especially by those sucker business rate.
Bucking the trend? I sincerely hope they do as our high street in North East is practically empty of stores now.
My pocket gripes is just me but it does not take a genius to see low traffic to shops ...
I ain't a fashionista so my view does not make sense to high street fashion brand.
Chewkw are you a shoplifter? Just saying “big pockets”
I am referring to shirt pockets by the way. Not others sort of pockets.
Put it this way if you cannot put a medium size 4.7" smart phone in your pocket then the pocket is too small.
Chewy. , amazingly my business rates went down last year.
Except that the guy who gave 1 million pound created Superdry years ago, but sold his shares last year. Nothing to do with them now......
I am referring to shirt pockets by the way. Not others sort of pockets.
Pockets on a shirt?
Business rates going up because local Government has seen their central funding massacred for the sake of austerity. We also have a domestic economy over-reliant on consumer credit and buying stuff they don't need. Retail has also been propped-up by changes to the benefit systems where they employer everyone on zero-hours / part-time contracts and expect workers to get benefit top-ups. The High Street deserves what it gets - people like Philip Green who undertook leveraged buy-outs, loaded companies with debt, asset-stripped them and off-shored the proceeds. Fat chance of getting a WTO deal if we crash out and haven't sorted the Irish border - everyone else will slap maximum tariffs because they know we're royally-screwed and haven't got any leverage in a negotiation - the desperation will stink.
Chewy. , amazingly my business rates went down last year.
Is business rate going down something good that should be cherished? LOL!
It is like saying instead of the parasite sucking a pint of your blood this year they suck less. LOL!
The money you pay for business rate perhaps could be used by you to invest elsewhere for better use innit. I assume you have better knowledge of running a business and investing you own money better than anyone else.
Pockets on a shirt?
Yes, pockets on shirt. See all those "lumberjack" style shirts they have? Cannot even fit a smart phone without the mobile falling off.
The High Street deserves what it gets
Not everyone behaves like Philip Green or the likes. The more you maintain the high rate the more Philip Green you will create because they are the ones that can afford the rate.
The money you pay for business rate perhaps could be used by you to invest elsewhere for better use innit.
Yep, He can start by investing in some security, because no tax no police, then he might need some roads, so customers and deliveries can service his business, if he employs anybody they are going to need to be educated and healthcare, that's got to be paid for, although prayers should suffice to make sure he doesn't burn down. You know when you think about it, all the public services that a business needs business rates are a bit of a bargain. In fact some might suggest that business is subsidised though general taxation.
But not to worry we can do away with all them pesky things post brexit.
Yes, pockets on shirt. See all those “lumberjack” style shirts they have? Cannot even fit a smart phone without the mobile falling off.
This is is a good thing. I always laughed at the amount of phones you would see in a pub toilet where someone had gone to flush and bye bye phone....
Yep, He can start by investing in some security, because no tax no police, then he might need some roads, so customers and deliveries can service his business, if he employs anybody they are going to need to be educated and healthcare, that’s got to be paid for. You know when you think about it, all the public services that a business needs business rates are a bit of a bargain. In fact some might suggest that business is subsidised though general taxation.
But not to worry we can do away with all them pesky things post brexit.
Ya, those points have been exhausted for so long they really make little sense anymore.
You can blame whatever you wish the bottom line is the high street is slowly empty of shop occupants.
A bargain? What bargain? The high streets have plenty of empty shops.
p/s: ... you can either kill the business off, with business rate, before the business even make profit or tax them later when they make profit (whatever rate ...)
You can blame whatever you wish the bottom line is the high street is slowly empty of shop occupants
Well lets blame Europe then, bloody EU letting all them African migrants in to the UK to destroy our high streets, or it could be evil pixies, I have seen them stealing out of the cash registers and straightening our proud bent British bananas, I think they come from lapland.
Is this merry dance to avoid the bit where the Tory Brexiters are starting to panic that the wheels are coming off
Well lets blame Europe then, bloody EU letting all them African migrants in to the UK to destroy our high streets, or it could be evil pixies, I have seen them stealing out of the cash registers, I think they come from lapland.
Like I said previously NO govt has the guts to abolish the business rate regardless.
Is this merry dance to avoid the bit where the Tory Brexiters are starting to panic that the wheels are coming off
If you only see it from one perspective (yours) then you only see what you wish to see.
It is about the opportunist Superdry brand trying to position themselves politically (brand positioning) as the representative of the "rebel" brand in the 48.1% market niche.
It is about the opportunist Superdry brand trying to position themselves politically (brand positioning) as the representative of the “rebel” brand in the 48.1% market niche.
Do keep up
Except that the guy who gave 1 million pound created Superdry years ago, but sold his shares last year. Nothing to do with them now……
Despite being really confident that leave would win any vote at any time, they really don't want to ask any more questions, you know because they are so confident...
If you only see it from one perspective (yours) then you only see what you wish to see.
Maybe, yes.
It is about the opportunist Superdry brand trying to position themselves politically (brand positioning) as the representative of the “rebel” brand in the 48.1% market niche.
Beautifully illustrated.
The irony is strong with this one.
I’m really looking forward to the governments ‘Protect and Survive’ style leaflets with their advice on what to as the economy collapses and we all face starvation. I’m sure it’ll be comedy gold!
This shit will be worth it if in the inevitable civil unrest I get to see Boris swinging from a lamppost shortly before someone stoves my head in with a pickaxe for my last tin of spam
True Binners but you might be able to have Jose's work permit revoked, and if you play your cards right and get in with the real new powers of the people they might let you design some
I’m really looking forward to the governments ‘Protect and Survive’ style leaflets with their advice on what to as the economy collapses and we all face starvation. I’m sure it’ll be comedy gold!
But surely all we need is the leaflet that explains how the NHS is going to spend its extra £350m per week? I’m confused.
Chewkw you is funny...
Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab said securing a deal was still "the most likely outcome" - but added making alternative arrangements was the "responsible" thing to do.
You couldn’t make this shit up. Satire is finished. There is nothing left to parody.
That’s what Armando Illucianelli said. That there’s no point in writing any satire about Brexit as the reality is so unhinged, you just couldn’t compete.
i love the way the Brexiteers are flippant enough to say it’ll ‘probably’ be ok. From the mouths of those who’ll be just fine, thanks very much, whatever happens
It is about the opportunist Arron Banks and Farage brands trying to position themselves politically (brand positioning) as the Insurance and financial services representative of the “gullible” brand in the 51.9% market niche.
If you only see it from one perspective (yours) then you only see what you wish to see
It is about the opportunist Arron Banks and Farage brands trying to position themselves politically (brand positioning) as the Insurance and financial services representative of the “gullible” brand in the 51.9% market niche.
"If you only see it from one perspective (yours) then you only see what you wish to see" 😀
After the decision by the people? 😀
informed peoples vote or misled peoples decision?
you are arguing only about the validity of democracy, not if brexit is a good idea (it isn't) which is being championed by honest people for the benefit of the majority (it isn't).
informed peoples vote or misled peoples decision?
Shouldn't people just accept the new direction set for the country or is democratic decision only applicable in some instances?
you are arguing only about the validity of democracy, not if brexit is a good idea (it isn’t) which is being championed by honest people for the benefit of the majority (it isn’t).
I am referring to Superdry trying to create something for themselves. If the person wants to donate then donate, no need to advertise their product brand.
Shouldn’t people just accept the new direction set for the country or is democratic decision only applicable in some instances?
Sigh... democracy means that it does not matter if you win or lose you still have the right to campaign and fight for what you believe to be right. If something is set forever as soon a vote occurs we can do away with all this voting lark as there would be no need for any more elections.
one could say Farage et al should have just accepted the direction decades ago, but hey democracy means they didn’t have to..
the fact this is not a democratic negotiation between the Uk parliament and the EU just one between two warring factions of one political party that doesn’t even command a majority is an entirely different matter...
I am referring to Superdry trying to create something for themselves. If the person wants to donate then donate, no need to advertise their product brand.
Did he advertise the fact or did the media state that he was linked to Superdry making it sound like he was currently involved with Superdry ? Or don't you need to worry about that in your assessment of the situation...
Trump prefers them
Not enough praise for this reply from @Klunk… so a small round of applause from me.
Anyway, October is looming large…
tick tock…
*sigh*
Theres absolutely no point in trying to engage with chewkw, many have tried to explain how a parliamentary democracy works, it’s a bit like me trying to explain to my cat how the magic pictures on my laptop screen got there. All he knows is that he likes to chase them.
All hail the killfile.
Oh hey @chewkw, remember all that discussion about how you thought JLR would never move production as their brand was inherently British and that was a key selling point for them?
Well... my brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for JLR and have just announced that they have to relocate from Warwickshire to Nitra in Slovakia by December.
Oh hey @chewkw, remember all that discussion about how you thought JLR would never move production as their brand was inherently British and that was a key selling point for them?
Well… my brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for JLR and have just announced that they have to relocate from Warwickshire to Nitra in Slovakia by December.
Lol*. I think that is what is known as an inconvenient truth.
Given the current state of politics and 'truth' I fully expect you to be shouted down and denounced as an 'enemy of the people'.
*Note that is a bitter and eyes rolling 'lol'. Unfortunate for your family, though. Are they assuaged at all by knowing that they are necessary collateral damage in 'taking back control'? I wouldn't be.
By the way, you won't get a real answer from Chewie, you do know that, right?
Did he advertise the fact or did the media state that he was linked to Superdry making it sound like he was currently involved with Superdry ? Or don’t you need to worry about that in your assessment of the situation…
I would imagine the media added it for context. Otherwise the story is retired/unemployed businessman who you don’t know thinks leaving the eu is a bad idea
Nitra looks alright from google images but then so does Solihull... if JLR relocate and probably pay for housing, schools etc it could be a fantastic move even if just for a short time. New environment, new culture - working abroad is something I believe everyone should do at some point
So what are the odds for no deal again?
Shouldn’t people just accept the new direction set for the country or is democratic decision only applicable in some instances?
Where I work there has been this "decision" taken on some stuff, which is just plain stupid. I keep getting dirty looks from the manager involved who tells me "that train has left the station" and "the decision has been socialized" and "you're the first person to raise any objections to this".
But it's still utter cobblers, and I have yet to get an explanation of why we're doing this, or in what way it will improve things. It's all very brexity.
And because I'm not a mindless sheep, I'm going to carry on objecting until either someone explains why it makes our lives better, or sense prevails and we abandon it, or I get sacked.
But yes Chewy, if you are a mindless sheep who does things without questioning them, without having an adequate explanation, then you should just accept Brexit.
it could be a fantastic move even if just for a short time.
Minimum of two years I'm told (setting up the teams that will be taking the jobs). Possibility of being more permanent.
working abroad is something I believe everyone should do at some point
True but nice to have the choice of when though eh? I don't think many people would choose to do it when they have one kid approaching exam age and another still in middle school. Plus they have literally just finished a four year long renovation and extension project on their current house!
Shouldn’t people just accept the new direction set for the country or is democratic decision only applicable in some instances?
Of course if the vote had gone the other way Nigel and the other ***** would have just accepted the result and gone on their merry way happy that it was the "will of the people". Or not.
Of course, we joined due to the will of the people in the first place, so why did Nigel &co campaign for another referendum?
Of course, we joined due to the will of the people in the first place, so why did Nigel &co campaign for another referendum?
Ah Molly,they said that's because what we joined was different to what we were in so it's OK to have a re-think on it.
Apparently it's not OK to have a rethink if what you're getting after you leave is different to what was promised though.
So does a change of circumstances warrant a rethink or not? Confused.
So does a change of circumstances warrant a rethink or not? Confused.
There hasn't been a change of circumstances, though.
It always was, is, and will continue to be a really stupid idea.
By the Vote Leave logic of “ we voted leave so shut up” then opposition parties should just shut up after a general election, and let the victors rule with the “will of the people”. Thankfully politics is slightly more nuanced than Farage & Johnson would have us believe.
Wasn’t Farage encouraging a second referendum if the first didn’t go the way he hoped? 🤔
Vince cable must have heard what I said about business rate ... LOL
https://www.ft.com/content/5126d622-a221-11e8-85da-eeb7a9ce36e4
But he is not really solving the problem other than getting the landlord to pay, which inevitably will still be passed on to the tenants/shops/whatever ...
Me think he is struggling for ideas. 😀
And what does Putin think that has to do with leaving the EU?
I assume you got the update to send out distractions?
Chewk is a brexiteer bot....
Logic and evidence is not relevant, just like the rest of them swivel eyed folks.
This is a local country for local people...
Royston Vasey 2.0
Did you read my post to you regarding JLR @chewkw?
Notice the information?
You need to ask two questions: What would you do with Low pre-tax profit? Maintain current situation or relocate to low cost manufacturing region? ... inevitable consequences?
Why low profit? Ask the garages ...
A spokesman for JLR said the Slovakian plant had been developed over several years and the latest move was unconnected to the Brexit headwinds that led to it announcing 1,000 UK jobs would go in April. Its profits have also been dented by the decline in diesel sales, slumping to £364m pre-tax in the three months to the end of March, compared to £676m in the same period last year.
Then ...
JLR said there would be a “significant investment and technology upgrade” in its Solihull factory, with the carmaker believed to be spending hundreds of millions of pounds to meet its low-carbon commitments. The manufacturer said it would also be investing in its plant at Halewood, Merseyside, to build the next generation Range Rover Evoque.
^^^ Is this commitment the result of some policy change? If you want diesel out then they have to do something.
The move has also been welcomed locally in the Midlands as a step for the manufacturer to upgrade the Solihull plant to build new, electric models.
In a statement, JLR said: “This significant investment and technology upgrade in Solihull in order to accommodate our next generation of flagship Land Rover models, and the refit of our Halewood plant for the next Evoque, is proof that we remain committed both to the UK and to transformation and growth.”
Hhhmmm ... looks like they are staying to meet their commitment don't you think so?
The company has said it would make an electric option for each of its new models after 2020. David Bailey, the professor of industrial strategy at the University of Aston, said: “There has been speculation locally that they needed to free up space to make electric vehicles. There was concern that their first electric car, the I-Pace, was being made in Austria – people wanted that built here.
“If this move on the Discovery means producing electric cars here, overall that is a good thing. We want to see that transition to a low-carbon economy in the Midlands and we want to see the jobs here.
It looks like JLR is dumping old tech on someone who does not complain about diesel fuel then trying to create something new to meet the "clean" fuel demand.
“JLR have been too slow in getting into hybrids and they have to speed up in getting fully into electric vehicles.”
Who should they blame? Why are JLR still here if they are moving?
So… JLR jobs aren't leaving the country?
Chewk is a brexiteer bot….
Logic and evidence is not relevant, just like the rest of them swivel eyed folks.
This is a local country for local people…
Royston Vasey 2.0
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/sep/11/gordonbrown.economy
^^^ Remember this? Wonder where the logic and evidence came from to say something like that ... 😀
So… JLR jobs aren’t leaving the country?
They have two choices:
1. Stay and suffer the consequences of further decline in sales/profit due to incompatibility with govt ambition.
2. Relocate some work to country less hostile to diesel with low labour cost; and reinvest in new tech to meet govt ambition.
They have chosen 2 ...
So… JLR jobs aren’t leaving the country?
^^^ Remember this? Wonder where the logic and evidence came from to say something like that …
Boom! There's the whataboutery card, classy move!
Edited to (hopefully!) clarify I wasn't replying to you, Kelvin. 🙂
So… JLR jobs are leaving the country then.
So… JLR jobs aren’t leaving the country?
So… JLR jobs are leaving the country then.
The original question below. 😀
Oh hey @chewkw, remember all that discussion about how you thought JLR would never move production as their brand was inherently British and that was a key selling point for them?
Well… my brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for JLR and have just announced that they have to relocate from Warwickshire to Nitra in Slovakia by December.
So… JLR jobs are leaving the country then?
So… JLR jobs are leaving the country then?
Is this a new question or related to the original question as I don't want to mix up the answer(s).
I forgot - of course there'll be no direct, explicit answer.
I forgot – of course there’ll be no direct, explicit answer.
All my previous answers were answering the original question hence I asked you to clarify.
Let's have a look - mmm, nope, you've been asked a simple question and not answered it.
The honest answer is that some jobs are leaving the country, but not all production. No idea why he can't just say that. Anyway, increased offshoring by many major "UK" brands will only accelerate as we leave the EU, for all the obvious reasons, meaning more jobs lost abroad. Those workers initially moving will do fine I'm sure, and I hope they can see this as a great life experience… but longer term the posts won't all be done by "ex-pats"… obviously.
Anyway, I recently felt the blood rise when a relative, who's a Leave cheerleader, said that he didn't care about car industry jobs that were to be lost as "some of these people are on £50k a year", as if losing skilled jobs with decent pay was not a negative thing for the UK. He's now hoping that all this will reduce the wages of those in such jobs that we still have, and further reduce the power of the unions in the process. This crash and burn, and reposition the country, stuff is all now positive for him, and others. Whatever the result of Brexit "it is good" because the belief in Brexit is that strong.
He’s now hoping that all this will reduce the wages of those in such jobs that we still have, and further reduce the power of the unions in the process.
What does he do for a living and what does he earn?
Retired. Loaded. Of course.
Surprisingly you didn't really answer my point though @chewkw.
In previous discussions you were absolutely adamant that JLR would never move production from the UK as it was a critical part of its brand prestige.
In fact they have cut 1000 jobs and then moved production of the new Disco to Slovakia (with strong rumours of more models to follow).
To be clear, my BiL and SiL are not minimum wage on the factory-floor. They are both in quite senior professional roles. That's good tax money that may now be going to Slovakia's treasury instead of ours.
Retired. Loaded. Of course.
You could make a pretty good case for restricting the franchise on votes with big economic consequences to people of working age.
Pensioners have very little "skin in the game" and their decision will cast an economic shadow long after they have shuffled off this mortal coil.
Its a disgrace that the vote hinged on the choices of people who will be the least effected
JLR have good economic and strategic reasons for moving production and clearing space in the UK for other stuff, ironically it will probably be for more of those well paid, highly skilled engineers who are keeping the UK economy going.
Nobody really cares where it's made these days if the price is right, especially if the competition (BMW/Merc) are made in Germany. the stuff that matters is the real high end stuff like AM etc.
Visited my Leave mum yesterday.
Obviously she started moaning about everything and said that if she was me and my brothers age she would sell up and move abroad.
I told her that we couldn't any more.
"Why not" she asked. I told her that it was because she voted to stop it she declared that it wasn't very fair.
So many people had no idea what they were voting for.
You could make a pretty good case for restricting the franchise on votes with big economic consequences to people of working age.
I would go further and make it under 50. Most people at 50 have already started on the selfish right wing path and they no longer care about the plight of others.
Considering that JLR is making a huge loss for TATA at the moment, moving some production from the UK isn't surprising. This also only applies to certain models in the range. I do plenty of work in JLR Halewood and there has been significant investment there. The automotive industry in the UK is changing all the time.
FWIW, disenfranchisement is never the right way to go as it has in part been a reason why we’re in this mess. British citizens living in the EU and 16-18 year olds should’ve been given a say too.
I'm 53 and as I age I'm determined not to become a disenfranchised old gammon..
The problem is we have a political class who in the main have never worked outside of London except when canvassing in elections. I met a fair few in my last job and they simply don't understand what 'industry' actually means and the kinds of jobs ordinary people do.
The vote should also be given to EU residents in the UK - if they have come here to live e.g. have family or work here then they should also have a say in the franchise.
Votes for all. A top cut off age for voting is, in my opinion, a downright evil idea. Of course the retired should be allowed to vote. Now, how do you persuade them to vote in the interests of all…? The same way you convince those who don't need medical treatment to support the NHS… keep battling, talking, campaigning… never give up on the idea that opinions and voting internations can change as the world changes around us all.
I agree, but, changing minds is incredibly difficult. Once people start to realise that they might be wrong, they often dig in their heels and double-down.
I wonder, for instance, how many of this thread's contributors have had their minds changed in the last 18 months?
Well, I've had my mind changed about a few political issues and certain politicians, and probably changed my voting intention, since the last election. I'd like to change my mind about Brexit, as it's hugely more likely to occur than not… and keep talking to, and reading pieces written by, Brexit cheerleaders, in the hope they have ideas and arguments from which to pull something that might make me feel at least less negative about our current path… but I find very little… well, actually, a few ideas about what to invest in if you have the means to do so… but that's about it. I'm open to changing my mind… but I need to read/hear something that'll help me do that.