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There is no reason not to invest tomorrow, [b]if there is a demand[/b] and a commitment from the customer.
That's the issue though isn't it?
Dont worry Cranberry, us remoaners will bring you back to reality- heres something to show how that demand is being generated
http://www.theactuary.com/news/2017/03/uk-consumer-debt-now-at-240bn/
good job we arent in the middle of the most complicated and risky process since the war....
I'm enjoying this.
Today is like a breath of fresh air on this thread.
Going well 12 hours in
"such as?"
I've learned loads about this topic since the Referendum.
I'd be surprised if there was anyone who didn't know a bit more than they did before.
I'm ashamed to say I didn't know services were tariff free before the Referendum. (I knew services aren't goods - I just assumed there would be an equivalent.)
Im still waiting to hear what changed his mind tho, it must be pretty amazing
I knew wed have to leave the european medicines agency, ERASMUS, HORIZON 2020 etc
didnt know wed have to leave euratom
Didnt know wed be leaving the new european patent court we'd put so much effort in to set up!
Going well 12 hours in
You've started implementation of your plan already?
When the papers come to ask us about the man who saved the UK, what do you want us to say?
"I'm still waiting to hear what changed his mind tho, it must be pretty amazing"
LOL for many it's a finely balanced decision. Like yourself. Previously pro EU, post referendum you're investigating leaving the EU and going to Canada.
And the rabid insults, put downs and downright disgusting behaviour of remainers to people who voted out made me damn sure changing my mind is a good thing. To be honest some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves, accusing leave voters of things you are way more guilty of since the result went against you.
"50b for no change? Give them sweet FA, [b]or tax Remainers at 99.9%[/b]. Wouldn't be so keen to make noise when they have to stump up. Although they could always sell their second properties and put the kids in a cheaper private school. That digs you in the ribs eh [b]remain trash[/b]?"
Random comment, very near top, grabbed from http://www.****/news/article-4367250/EU-leaders-REJECT-Theresa-s-demand-parallel-talks.html#comments
(Emphasis is mine).
"I knew wed have to leave the european medicines agency, ERASMUS, HORIZON 2020 etc"
Which is odd 'cos I found out post refferndum you don't need to be in the EU to be in ERASMUS or Horizon 2020.
Joe Kaeser, Siemens chief executive
also said that he thinks the free movement of labour is the most importtant thing that should be included in any brexit deal
and regarding wwhat the future deal will look like
"But it would be fair to assume it cannot be as good as it would have been"
http://news.sky.com/story/siemens-boss-my-confidence-in-britains-future-after-brexit-10818704
I'm ashamed to say I didn't know services were tariff free before the Referendum. (I knew services aren't goods - I just assumed there would be an equivalent.)
Have you also worked out what the barriers/restrictions/difficulties when trading in services actually are then? And how they might change on leaving the EU, and also when we start to diverge after leaving?
Which is odd 'cos I found out post refferndum you don't need to be in the EU to be in ERASMUS or Horizon 2020.
and yet
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/brexit-treasury-pledges-to-underwrite-horizon-2020-projects/
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/uk-scientists-dropped-from-eu-projects-because-of-post-brexit-funding-fears
northwind also gave a comprehensive somethingion of what happened to switzerland re ERASMUS as its also dependent on accepting free movement of people, which Maybot has ruled out
"Have you also worked out what he barriers to trade in services actually are then?"
Nope, beyond the financial services passport, I haven't got a scoobie.
@ mattjg, perhaps he was hoping for a slightly better discussion than the comments section of the daily mail 😀 He's probs new round here.
No Kimbers you're wrong. There are non EU countries in both.
There are non-EU countries involved on all the European institutions, that doesn't mean that we get to stay in any of them as we leave the EU.
theocb - Member
@ mattjg, perhaps he was hoping for a slightly better discussion than the comments section of the daily mail He's probs new round here.
Theocb - Matt's just pointing out what folk who stand up for their country have to put up with from Brexies.
Seems not unreasonable.
I was just pointing out that there is no need for peeps on here to stoop to the level of the daily mail comments section. Doesn't seem unreasonable 😉 Back to your secret master plan, the clock is ticking.
I was offering balance to newrobdob's experience of rude remainers. It didn't take me long.
For a fuller dose try Get Britain Out.
Have you also worked out what the barriers/restrictions/difficulties when trading in services actually are then? And how they might change on leaving the EU, and also when we start to diverge after leaving?
I believe I have already described what a ballache it was for me to do four weeks work in Switzerland, even though it was a temporary assignment for the same employer. And that it delayed my start by three weeks which caused no end of trouble.
Compare that to working in Finland or Germany when all I had to do was book a plane ticket. And that was an EEA country.
GrahamS - MemberGive over sbob.
Newsflash: the pertinent part of that post was not about you.
Chill Winston. 🙂
outofbreath - Member
No Kimbers you're wrong. There are non EU countries in both.
yes and we have an excellent example of what happened to a non EU country when they rejected FOM and ERASMUS booted them out and they were barred from full H 2020 membership until they commit to FOM ,
which Maybot has ruled out........
we can be associated to H2020, if we continue to pay in and be part of collaborations but will lose influence in something we once dominated, its a brilliant example of brexit allover - #fakecontrol
"No Kimbers you're wrong. There are non EU countries in both."
"yes"
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kimbers - Memberdidnt know wed have to leave euratom
I'm pretty sure we don't have to leave Euratom, or at least we could be an associate state or have a cooperation agreement- the government's just chosen to because it's got Eu in the name. Or maybe Hinkley just doesn't look expensive enough and they decided to add some extra costs.
The problem with euratom and so many other EU collaborative bodies is that the ECJ is the final arbiter for any disputes
and obviously we cant have unelected foreign judges dictating to us superior Brits, thats the whole point of Brexshit
outofbreath - Member
"No Kimbers you're wrong. There are non EU countries in both.""yes"
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siiiiggghh
but we will still be leaving them because Maybot has ruled out FOM........
"I'm pretty sure we don't have to leave Euratom"
Given it predates the EU and already has an associate member I'd be amazed if we had to.
It's possible there was no way to move to associate membership without leaving, which is why I'm only pretty sure not 100% sure- it might be continuous membership wasn't possible. But that's not why we're leaving, we're leaving to Take Back Control
Article in The Times today about the massive hole in the defence budget. Whole mix of reasons but a lot of it is connected to the weak pound against the dollar since the Americans are selling us the F-35s and a whole load of other kit. The other main point in the article is that ministers are so tied up with Brexit that they've not got time to look at domestic matters.
Trident is projected to go way over the supposed maximum of £41 billion.
Royal Marines facing significant cuts.
At this rate we'll end up with no NHS, no defence force, no caps on immigration but we will have taken back control - is that right?
outofbreath - Member
"I'm pretty sure we don't have to leave Euratom"Given it predates the EU and already has an associate member I'd be amazed if we had to.
it seems like a really stupid idea, so is entirely in keeping withe the ethos of Brexshit
Id really hope we are still involved in ITER in someway, presumably it will hurt JET a lot too
either way we are leaving it as it was stated in the governments brexit white paper
http://bruegel.org/2017/02/brexit-goes-nuclear-the-consequences-of-leaving-euratom/
Im assuming because we cant be subjugated by the evil ECJ!
its also going to really affect our involvement in teh European Space programmes
https://phys.org/news/2016-09-brexit-uk-role-europe-space.html
again entirely in keeping with the anti -intellectualism of Brexshit
remember people are sick of experts, its a step backwards in so many ways
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Still Rees-Mogg can launch injto a righteous speech about the supremacy of british democracy or some such nonsesne
Todays good news in the FT, customs and excise, who are incidentally having their budget cut, are in serious risk of not being able to cope with the foreseen increase in workload.
Shock Horror!!!!
"Article in The Times today about the massive hole in the defence budget. Whole mix of reasons but a lot of it is connected to the weak pound against the dollar since the Americans are selling us the F-35s and a whole load of other kit. The other main point in the article is that ministers are so tied up with Brexit that they've not got time to look at domestic matters.
Trident is projected to go way over the supposed maximum of £41 billion."
Yeah, weak pound seems really good until you want to buy massively expensive stuff you can't source locally.
Is this really a surprise to anyone? And will anyone be surprised when Argentina kicks off over WTO membership?
@mrmo no surpirse, Spain is sh.tting itself over the potential (likely?) loss of fishing rights. Spain has little leverage over UK as ifbit tried to make life difficult for UK residents Portugal will just make life even easier, tjey already have a big tax break on pensions if you retire there
Spain has little leverage over UK …
Read what you are replying to Jamba.
what loss of fishing rights? most of UK water is within the 200mile offshore zone of the EU,ie it will have to be negotitaited, and most species are drifting north anyway. Look at the mackerel catch off Iceland and compare.
The UK fleet is going to get shafted again that is a certainty, all because Farage couldn't be arsed with the day job..
kimbers, love the Ladybird cover.
Spain has little leverage over UK
Oh yes it does...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/future-of-gibraltar-at-stake-in-brexit-negotiations
I am not a rude, unrepentant remainer, I am just rude and unrepentant.
Thing is as an American once said to me "looks like a snake, sounds like a snake, moves like a snake- then it's probably a snake" so using that as a metric many Brexiteers are at least xenophobiac and probably racist.
Oh and while I am being rude, we do a lot of work with Hotel chains and in conversation the CEO of a quite well know brand said " how the * does Theresa May think I can run this business with the lazy ** this country breeds" this may be a racist statement who knows the lines are blurred....
Oh well....I guess sinking Spanish ships for the lolz like old times would make for pretty good tv.
I'm pretty resigned to this now, we may as well just piss the EU off as much as possible and exert our efforts on destablising the continent with Trump.
No that's xenophobic oldmanmtb
Secret master planning going well theocb - I've got a contract with some Poles to build a secret underground lair, so it will be well built and probably in time.*
*not everything you read on this thread should be taken seriously
*[s]not everything[/s] nothing you read on this thread should be taken seriously
FTFY 😉
Is there going to be a tunnel under the North Sea to Denmark?