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busted.
You know Jeremy Corbyn is politically clueless, right?
I'd agree apart from on this matter he seems to have given it some rational thought...
Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.
that's the point - their bananas suddenly became grade 2 product and they had to rename them to something else to get grade 1 back again.
I'd agree apart from on this matter he seems to have given it some rational thought...
If you regard 'my enemies enemy is my friend' as rational thought, I suppose? Sadly he's an idiot. Its like the Americans supporting the Taliban, and supplying them with arms, while they were fighting the Russians. What did they think was going to happen next?
Clearly they hadn't thought that far. Neither has Jezza. His thinking has never been advanced enough to question what might actually replace the EU he hated so much. Never countenanced the idea that it might be far, far worse. Like I said... a bit thick.
He's actually spent so many years, head buried in the lefty sand, railing against the EU as an evil capitalist, corporatist conspiracy (isn't everything Jeremy? Isn't everything?), that he singularly failed to spot an actual real live one, going on right before his very eyes. So close it could have hoofed him in the slats!
By the sound of Kier Starmers latest statement, even someone as terminally dense, and imprisoned by a totally outdated ideology as Comrade Corbyn may have actually registered what's really going on. And it ain't a workers revolution, that's for sure Comrade! Quite the reverse.
Sadly this Epiphany comes about 20 years too late. 2 years ago would have been helpful. But never underestimate just how blinkered and stupid your average hardline lefty is. If you're quoting them, outside a sixth form common room, you've basically lost the argument already
Can MPs introduce new laws?
Yes
"unchecked by any form of democratic accountability,"
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TurnerGuy - Member
that wasn't the point - the point was that the EU could even contemplate coming up with the stuff that was in TTIP, and then tried to hide it behind tons of security so everyone else was unaware
Ha! Our government were some of biggest fanboys of TTIP within the EU, it was only the French dragging their heals that got it canned!
You can bet a funny shaped pound coin that we will be signing up to the Trump version very soon
Aye but when the government sells our unborn babies to Walmart by the sack, at least it'll be our government that does it, because we've taken back control
that's the point - their bananas suddenly became grade 2 product and they had to rename them to something else to get grade 1 back again.
So never actually "banned" then at all?
> Can MPs introduce new laws?
Yes
Well they can't can they? The can certainly [i]lobby[/i] for new laws and request debates about them, but ultimately parliament has to have a say before the law can be introduced.
Likewise an MEP can [i]lobby[/i] the commission for new laws and have debates about them.
No an MP can introduce a Bill, a MEP can't, the original abortion act came into being as a result of a Private Member's Bill - David Steele, the former Liberal Leader being the member who introduced it. It is a very important difference, the European Parliament has a fraction of the power that the UK Houses of Parliament have.
So never actually "banned" then at all?
funny how I never said that they were banned - that was the follow on comments...
Sadly he's an idiot.
agreed - so I'll give you Rees Mogg :
No an MP can introduce a Bill, a MEP can't, the original abortion act came into being as a result of a Private Member's Bill
A Private Member's Bill is just a proposal. It still has to go through all [url= http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/ ]same set stages[/url] as a Public Bill.
Sadly he's an idiot.
agreed - so I'll give you Rees Mogg :
and rees-mogg isnt? 😆
They're opposing cheeks of the same arse
But if the Member can gain support in both Houses, his Bill can become law, without reference to the executive, likewise amendments made can be introduced which if they find favour will pass into law, whether the Executive like it or not. The European Parliament can only reject laws, they can't promulgate them nor can they amend them without the Executive agreeing. This is a fundamental duifference between the powers of the two Parliaments. (The European Parliament ability to reject is relatively recent)
They're opposing cheeks of the same arse
trouble is he makes a lot of good points there - unless you can debunk them ?
it is a shame that he wasn't the leading face of the leave campaign, at least he would have presented reasonable argument and if leave had won based on his argument then it would have been a more rational decision.
You can also lay some of the blame for the vote on Juncker himself, I have met a few youngsters that based their out vote on statements from that self-serving, chain-smoking, near-alcoholic idiot (can't think of any more insults to put 🙁 )
that's the point - their bananas suddenly became grade 2 product and they had to rename them to something else to get grade 1 back again.
Bendynanas?
Bendynanas?
Plátanos
trouble is he makes a lot of good points there - unless you can debunk them ?
its just jingosistic nonsense tho
(assuming you dont mean the lies about fishing quotas ....)
commission, pure BS- each elected government, including ours, put forward our commissioners
ECJ- again judges appointed by member governments- the same way we do here , and UK lawyers have played a huge part in creating and amending EU laws
hes just appealing to fear of foreigners, as they are somehow less trustworthy than our own politicians or civil servants, pure xenophobia if you will
The European Parliament can only reject laws, they can't promulgate them nor can they amend them without the Executive agreeing.
The European Parliament can approve, reject or propose amendments.
It also has a right of legislative initiative that allows the parliament to ask the Commission to submit a proposal.
I agree they are different systems, obviously, but I don't think it is as undemocratic as the detractors make out.
The European Parliament can only reject laws, they can't promulgate them nor can they amend them without the Executive agreeing. This is a fundamental duifference between the powers of the two Parliaments
I don't think that's reason to bin the whole thing though.
Personally I like the idea that rules and regs could be discussed in an international forum. People from different countries bring different thoughts and ideas to the table. I don't mind foreigners.
commission, pure BS- each elected government, including ours, put forward our commissioners
Even Cameron was uneasy about the direction the EU was going :
I don't mind foreigners.
I welcome them.
Like those lovely people at Deutsche Bank.
Surprised no-one has commented on that little piece of news...
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This one sbob?
Deutsche Bank has predicted the pound will fall to as low as $1.06 against the dollar due to Brexit.
But despite its gloomy outlook, Germany's biggest lender is still pushing ahead with plans to build a new headquarters in London.
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In its 45-page report on the possible consequences of Brexit, the bank said: "We do not see sterling (currently) fully pricing a hard Brexit outcome."Combined with limited adjustment in the UK’s current account deficit and slowing growth, we see further downside, and forecast $1.06 in by year-end."
I don't like the direction the UK is going, but I'm not going to secede. That's just silly.
molgrips - Member
I don't like the direction the UK is going, but I'm not going to secede. That's just silly.
dunno its quite tempting looking at some of the impressively boigoted comments that appear below BBC article about Brexit or Scottish indipendence
GrahamS - MemberThis one sbob?
I'm not sure.
Are you linking to a story of a positive nature, or dwelling on negativity and proving my point?
😛
Rees-Mogg eh?
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html ]"Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says
The MP said standards that were 'good enough for India' could be good enough for the UK"[/url]
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/oct/24/tory-anti-green-environment-corporate ]While Rees-Mogg's firm profits from fracking abroad, Rees-Mogg himself uses his own parliamentary privilege to advocate fracking at home, while promoting a kind of free market extremism[/url]
He's not exactly fighting corporate interests, is he?
dunno its quite tempting looking at some of the impressively boigoted comments that appear below BBC article about Brexit or Scottish indipendence
Brexit has divided the country more cleanly and effectively than any other metric we have ever come up with.
Are you linking to a story of a positive nature, or dwelling on negativity and proving my point?
I'm linking to a positively spun story and giving you my take on it.
Not sure what your point is? Media bias? Both aspects of that story were reported.
sbob - MemberI'm not sure.
Are you linking to a story of a positive nature, or dwelling on negativity and proving my point?
Im not quite sure where a bank not quitting the UK would be considered good news, I mean its not bad news, but they arent employing anyone new, they are just moving buildings, Post brexit is this the best we can hope for?
If you can find some genuine good news, please share it
like this?
https://www.ft.com/content/4959296c-13a3-11e7-b0c1-37e417ee6c76
Japan’s business lobby issues fresh Brexit warning to Theresa MayCall for ‘deeper consideration’ comes as some German companies reveal plans for shift from UK
Not sure what your point is? Media bias?
Forum bias.
How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?
As a side note, I'd love to know what engine and search terms you used to find that link... 😉
How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?
your missing the point
a bank moving buildings isnt even vaguely newsworthy
unless the country is about to do something so stupid that people looking for a positive spin on brexit link to it as 'good news'
How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?
Read the article. The spin comes from the article author who does the jamba-thing of telling us that plummeting sterling is really a great thing. He even slipped in "Remoaners" 🙄
As a side note, I'd love to know what engine and search terms you used to find that link...
You alluded to Deutsche Bank being in the news so my search term was "Deutsche Bank" and the engine was Google News.
That article was the 3rd hit, and the first that seemed relevant assuming you weren't talking about them "reducing cheque clearing in euros in Middle East".
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Deutsche+Bank#q=Deutsche+Bank&tbm=nws&*
I'm not quite sure where a bank not quitting the UK would be considered good news
😆
Anywhere but here kimbers, anywhere but here.
Thanks for further bolstering my point.
In a constantly changing world, of course a 25yr commitment is good news, yet you manage to spin it negatively. 🙂
that's the point - their bananas suddenly became grade 2 product and they had to rename them to something else to get grade 1 back again.
this is simply not the case.
The exporters might have incorrectly labelled them class one before the rule was introduced but all the rule did was standardise gradings. Standardisation of gradings helps consumers know what they are buying
yet you manage to spin it negatively.
I really didnt have to try hard
your logical fallacy managed it for me 😉
That article was the 3rd hit
Your google must work differently.
Even using your link, above the Forbes article I get:
Deutsche Bank commits to London by securing new HQ
Telegraph.co.uk-23 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank commits to new London office
BBC News-24 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank is planning a new London HQ despite Brexit
Business Insider-24 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank in vote of confidence for post-Brexit London
Local Source-Financial Times-23 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank shows faith in post-Brexit City with new HQ plan
Highly Cited-Sky News-23 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank puts faith in Brexit Britain with new City headquarters ...
Local Source-City A.M.-23 Mar 2017
As I say, all before your link but then my google (Win 10, Firefox, ABP) must work differently.
In a constantly changing world, of course a 25yr commitment is good news,
A 25 year lease agreement is great news for their prospective landlord.
But I'm not sure what can be read beyond that?
yet you manage to spin it negatively.
Whereas you seem happy to completely ignore the negative aspect of the story: Deutsche Bank's prediction for the future of sterling.
Your google must work differently.
Even using your link, above the Forbes article I get:
Yes, Google tailors results based on past hits.
(That's why you probably see Singletrack show up in your results so often)
I also got a bunch of stories relating to the US and Donald Trump, since I've been googling them too:
Reviving Deutsche Bank in US is priority for CEO John Cryan
Financial Times-26 Mar 2017
Trump Wants To Restructure $300 Million Loan From Deutsche Bank
ETF Daily News (blog)-27 Mar 2017
Deutsche Bank in Bind Over How to Modify $300 Million Trump Debt
Bloomberg-27 Mar 2017
Donald Trump still personally guarantees $300M in Deutsche Bank ...
The Real Deal Magazine-22 hours ago
kimbers - MemberI really didn't have to try hard
your logical fallacy managed it for me
I congratulated one of my *scientist friends on securing more funding for research the other day.
Remind me to retract my congratulations, as according to you it wasn't in fact good news. 🙄
*Genuine coincidence, however tasty. 🙂
GrahamS - MemberYes, Google tailors results based on past hits.
So even Google agrees with me about your bias!
And yours evidently, yes.
Running that search in "Incognito Mode" still gives that story as the third main hit (i.e. after the compressed ones at the top).
It's from Forbes, it's not like I pulled it out of some obscure news website AND it is a positive pro-Brexit article.
(i.e. after the compressed ones at the top)
Would that be after all the ones that I posted? 🙂
Would that be after all the ones that I posted?
Yup, the Trump/US ones come first, then your ones, then the main links:
Here's a screenshot if you are still confused about how I could possibly find that story:
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