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I have to admit to a quick edit. To anyone that spotted my error it was a simple case of mixed buffoonery.
you took back control!
I have to admit to a quick edit. To anyone that spotted my error it was a simple case of mixed buffoonery.
Was this a ruder word for "cakehole"?
[I]If this was WW2, right now would be Dunkirk. [/I]
I think the attack on Stalingrad is a better event, and we're Germany... 😉
Why isn't Keir Starmer leader?
Just a matter of time
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Obvs I still want the ruling elite to understand that their ways of controlling our lives don't sit happily with me
Interesting reason to vote leave.
I voted remain because I don't want OUR ruling elite (Westminster, the rich businesspeople) to have free reign over us. I see Brussels as a moderating force in British politics.
agree with molly but i also fail to see how anyone thinks either way did anythign to "the ruling elite" who will be the least affected by this change
If anythign they " bring back freedom" so have even more power
It has not made Tories go oh hang on a minute this free market plan of ours is just not working lets do something radically different.
Many of us would share your sentiments few of us will see how this vote helped achieve your stated aim. I am one of them.
Just watched the QT Brexit Special.
Impressed with Nick Clegg, his passion was very clear to see.
Nothing I've seen or heard is making me believe that we're anything other than bollox'd though, it's going to be a disaster.
I think there is now an awareness in politics across Europe that just saying 'this is what is best for you' is no longer seen as the way to present policy to the populace. Maybe a bit more sharing and less showboating. We shall see.
Maybe a bit more sharing and less showboating.
Oh yes. I wished Europe would change. But I wanted to be in it to change it and benefit from it.
I don't like the way my wife leaves dirty dishes full of water in the sink, but that doesn't mean I want a divorce. The relationship is worth more than that.
So speaking to her to date hasn't changed things. What are you doing to make her change her behaviour more in line with your desires?
again agreed but why do you think this vote would result in this?Maybe a bit more sharing and less showboating
What was it the nature of boris gove and farage that kindled this new hope?
I cannot see why you think this vote would lead to that, noble aim that it is.
I really thought we wouldn't 'win' but the size of the leave vote would trigger some uncertainty.
Hey ho. Shouldn't play with dangerous things without the safety catch on.
What are you doing to make her change her behaviour more in line with your desires?
In a relationship it is give and take. You don't 'make' someone change their behaviour.
If you do then you must have a relationship bordering on abusive....
“It is not possible to overestimate the threat the UK press poses to reaching a deal..........,” said one diplomat.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/brexit-uk-backing-away-from-threat-to-leave-with-no-deal-say-eu-diplomats
There, in a few words is our problem. Government by Mail, Express, Star and Telegraph.
Smile Breshitters, you have one less immigrant 😀
What are you doing to make her change her behaviour more in line with your desires?
Metaphor stretched too far. International diplomacy is not like talking to your wife 🙂
If this was WW2, right now would be Dunkirk.
Yup, we're leaving.
Maybe a bit more sharing and less showboating
... you've seen the vainglorious, preening bunch of cockwombles in charge of negotiations, right? The ones doing absolutely everything in their power to ensure no oversight or consultation whatsoever?
How's this new inclusive 'sharing' political culture working out for you?
Somebody has most definitely 'Taken Back Control'. But it sure the **** isn't us!
Hahah I see the government are back tracking on immigration, likely to try and scramble out of the hole they have dug themselves - ie the future anti immigrant backlash mentioned in this thread.
There, in a few words is our problem. Government by Mail, Express, Star and Telegraph.
Don't worry, I'm sure we can expect a sober, considered and reasoned debate from "Newspaper of the Year" The Daily Mail:
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The Labour heartlands delivered Brexit for the Country. The strongest vote Leave constituencies where there and in a Referendum where every vote counts they where vital. Those in low paid or semi/unskilled have the most to loose from uncontrolled immigration and as we saw in the recent piece from Leicester prior generations of immigrants where strongly Leave as they see and experience the impact on their livelihoods.
WTO: Barnier said at the weekend WTO tariffs would cause a major economic problem for Europe. Also Newsnight pointed out that the "party line" being held by EU 27 was already cracking under the pressure.
Been loving David Davies's line "we will honour our obligations" to the EU. Yup and as per House of Lords those obligations are lefally ZERO 🙂
Looking forward to a celebration tomorrow.
Don't worry, I'm sure we can expect a sober, considered and reasoned debate from "Newspaper of the Year" The Daily Mail:
****ing hate The Mail..
I see the government are back tracking on immigration, likely to try and scramble out of the hole they have dug themselves
Standard modern Tory party technique. State position more extreme than what they actually want, then move back on it to make what they actually wanted all along look like a reasonable compromise and working together.
Cameron started doing this, seems like May is continuing it.
Those in low paid or semi/unskilled have the most to loose from uncontrolled immigration
We don't have uncontrolled immigration?
How you can spin yet another humiliating climbdown as a win is quite unbelievable Jamba
WTO tarrifs on trade with the UK would hurt the EU a bit, it would destroy the UK
Accepting there will be no reduction in EU immigrants is a huge humiliating climbdown
Accepting there is no plan if talks founder is a humiliating climbdown
changing the line from "no deal is better than a bad deal" is a huge humiliating climbdown
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So speaking to her to date hasn't changed things. What are you doing to make her change her behaviour more in line with your desires?"
What I wouldn't do is divorce her because of dirty dishes and leave our kids to deal with the fallout.
P.S. Is anyone else having problems quoting?
The Labour heartlands delivered Brexit for the Country.
This is not how I see it. There were so many cohorts, and the margin was so fine, one could say any of them delivered Brexit. One could even say the non-voters delivered Brexit (I read that non voters were 2-1 remain), or the polls that influenced their non-vote delivered it.
The cohorts I think of a lot are the old - broadly leave - vs the young - broadly remain. This matters to me for 2 reasons, firstly those with less skin in the game shafted those whose best years look to be blighted by a vote to return to a golden age that never really existed, and secondly it's a dynamic that moves measurably as the oldies fall off the end of the conveyor belt and the young join it. That could turn out to be very important.
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How you can spin yet another humiliating climbdown as a win is quite unbelievable Jamba
the jambaverse is a strange place indeed
I read in the Guardian today [url= https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/21/only-we-care-if-our-country-succeeds-or-fails-welsh-readers-on-post-brexit-era ]letters from Welsh readers[/url]. Several of them voted leave to shake up the UK and try and create constitutional change for the benefit of Wales.
@molgrips you posted that you voted Remain to keep the Tories in check. I think that was quite a common rationale. Hardly a compelling argument FOR the EU is it ? That was the fundamental issue with Remain, no one really has much to say about the EU which is positive
Aye the way you endlessly played the racism card re immigration was indeed such a positive messsage.
Jambyfacts are endless arent they top three were tory Why do you keep making up "facts"? Dont you ever gt tired and just think "perhaps I ought to google this thing first as my track record on getting things correct is rather lowThe Labour heartlands delivered Brexit for the Country. The strongest vote Leave constituencies where there
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38797243 ]Reality Check: Are the strongest Leave and Remain constituencies Labour?[/url]
That was the fundamental issue with Remain, no one really has much to say about the EU which is positive
They did, its just that sensational bollox sells better
The lies spun by Vote Leave, lies Cummings and other Brexiters on here have bragged about and you have reinforced by consistently playing fast and loose with the truth on here.
the youth, who overwhelmingly voted to remain, betrayed by the brexiters will not look back fondly on the people that dimminshed their country and opportunities
no one really has much to say about the EU which is positive
No, nothing positive at all....
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no one really has much to say about the EU which is positive
Got plenty.
Good grief, after all this time, you say that.
That's not disagreement, that's wilful denial.
Positives of the EU
Working time directive even if the UK watered it down
Controls on pollution
Controls on water quality
Freedom of movement
Unbiased non political court of last resort
Human rights
Barrier free trade
@molgrips you posted that you voted Remain to keep the Tories in check. I think that was quite a common rationale. Hardly a compelling argument FOR the EU is it ?
No, to keep any national govt in check.
And I think it is a compelling argument; for a supra-national organisation that is removed from the fighting and short-termism of national politics.
Take environmental legislation - any government enacting strict environmental policies will likely be going against the interests of companies operating in that country, and making them less competitive against countries that don't enact such strict laws. So clearly such things need to apply to all competing countries to be effective.
@molgrips you posted that you voted Remain to keep the Tories in check. I think that was quite a common rationale. Hardly a compelling argument FOR the EU is it ?
Well everything's relative, isn't it?
One look at these shower of evil, self-serving ****s, and what they're cooking up with their mates, and I think its the most compelling argument you could possibly raise.
In the past you could have looked to the Labour party to do that, but.... well....
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According to the Grauniad they're privately climbing foqn on Maybots genius idea of walking away without a deal as well....
Lolz.
Something tells me that May thinks there will be a threat to her leadship in a couple of years time - from the Tory moderates.
Working time directive even if the UK watered it downControls on pollution
Controls on water quality
Freedom of movement
Unbiased non political court of last resort
Human rights
Quite. And I'm sure someone will be along shortly to declare that there is absolutely no threat to any of those because they will all be adopted as UK law, but wouldn't you know, surprise surprise...
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Britain must sweep aside thousands of needless EU regulations after Brexit to free the country from the shackles of Brussels, a coalition of senior MPs and business leaders have demanded.
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Today The Daily Telegraph calls on the Conservative Party to promise a bonfire of EU red tape in its 2020 manifesto..
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The proposal has the backing of the former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith, who believes the Tories should promise at the next election to "whittle away" unnecessary rules, reducing the "burden" on businesses and citizens.He said: "Let us leave and then the Conservative Party at the next election needs to say 'we can reduce the cost on business and on individuals by reducing regulations which will improve our competitiveness, our productivity and therefore ultimately our economy'."
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In the US, President Donald Trump has adopted a similar approach by appointing his senior White House adviser Jared Kushner to lead a new Office of American Innovation.
Well if both Iain Duncan Smith AND Donald J Trump think its a great idea.... count me in!
I'm pretty certain both those wise, compassionate individuals (and not at all mad sociopathic bastards) have the best interests of people like me at heart
Quick reminder … all May's promises to protect workers rights, continue environmental protections, and provide some limited replacement of EU funding in some areas, are time limited to 2020. That means about 13 months after we leave. An easy promise. After that, anything goes.
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/worried-britons-notice-opposite-of-everything-may-says-is-true-20170328124971 ]Then theres the small matter of...[/url]
Hmmm… the last line about her clothes isn't much better than that Mail front page really. Poor show.