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The self employed use various methods to swerve NI. Has to end.
How? I was self-employed for many years before creating a company.
If you become part of a company you can avoid a little N.I through dividends. But you do pay tax on your dividends and 20% corp tax.
That is not the same as being self-employed though.
They want to be able to catch whatever they want, sod the consequences.
There was an article in the Telegraph about how Brexit will increase the rate of marriages and decrease the rate of divorces because of (I had to put some Elgar on at this point) the upswelling of national confidence. You know, with all those young people, the ones who get married most, being so enthusiastic about Brexit and all.
So probably our good old British fish will also feel suddenly enthused about not being under the thumb of that wicked European dictatorship and will start gaining in numbers rapidly. If only people would stop talking our British fishes down, that is.
[quote=molgrips ]post Brexit fish quota
There won't be a quota. British fishermen didn't vote out to end up with more quotas! They want to be able to catch whatever they want, sod the consequences.
A similar reasoning behind why so many farmers voted out.
What they failed to consider is that the fishing and farming lobby in the UK is far far weaker than the urbanocentric conservation lobby. If they thought quotas and environmental rules and regs coming out of the EU, tempered as they were by an overall very strong EU-wide farm lobby, then what we will see post Brexit will make them look like a free-for-all in comparison.
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There was an article in the Telegraph about how Brexit will increase the rate of marriages and decrease the rate of divorces because of (I had to put some Elgar on at this point) the upswelling of national confidence. You know, with all those young people, the ones who get married most, being so enthusiastic about Brexit and all.
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I am marrying my German partner of 25 years, though the reasoning is somewhat different to the one you have outlined 😉
Not sure I follow WF. You're saying we're likely to get more farming and fishing regulation post Brexit? You think this will be a bad thing I presume?
I am convinced we will get more & more ag and fisheries regulation post Brexit. Being a progressive type I am not too worried about that (I may well have been involved in agri-environmental policy research in a former life). However, many old-school farmers certainly voted out purely because they "were sick to death of all the regulations coming out of the EU".
I thought it was cheaper NZ lamb and US beef the farmers had to watch out for - when we do those great international trade deals that is.
Farmers don't tend to be the sharpest tool in the box. That's why they are farmers.
There won't be a quota. British fishermen didn't vote out to end up with more quotas! They want to be able to catch whatever they want, sod the consequences.
The likelihood is they will be catching whatever they want in a reduced area. That will probably lead to more stringent quotas.
I am not even going to rise...
Being honest my opinion and shared by some i know, who work in farm supply chain, a lot of farmers will go bust. To survive farmers will have to be bigger and more industrial.
Dont expect badgers or deer or anything that might possibly carry disease, any legislation that might stop or get in the way of farmers will be for the bonfire.
I was under the impression that fishing quotas were to protect fish stocks anyway, so even with no quotas they'd be nowt left to catch after a few years, at least not enough to crew up and pay for fishing vessels?
I would not worry , with £350m a week spare to spend , the farmers Land Rover will be gold plated, and so will the fishermen boats .
Bloody hell, DD looks awful on BBC2 now. Was he fighting Haye at the weekend
Welsh good luck with the lambing. If you can spare the time another thread would be cool. Thanks for comments always appreciate to hear first hand. Congrats on the wedding
In other news this made me laugh, EU negotiator tries desperately to dodge the press (Sky News)
http://news.sky.com/video/eu-brexit-negotiator-struggles-to-escape-sky-news-man-10795884
All these idiots on BBC2 now are totally delusional. Boris, IDS, Gove, et all telling us it's all going to be just brilliant!
We're being held hostage by a bunch of right wing fundamentalist nut jobs who appear to be completely detatched from any kind of reality.
That was truly terrifying! God only knows where these morons are taking us!
There were folk from all sides binners, be fair, but yes, nearly all awful
Crap program but hey ho it was LK at the helm so never going to be heavyweight analysis
That was truly terrifying! God only knows where these morons are taking us!
Remember if you have the money change always offers a way to make more money.
Have they worked out leaving makes no difference yet?
At least not to fishing.
Jamba, remember who sat on the fisheries on behalf of the UK. Who is it who gave quotas to dutch boats etc. hint nothing to do with europe.
The UK government has shafted the fishermen and found it easier to blame others.
Am hoping that the comments by guy verhofstadt become reality as i would like to keep my freedom of movement, even if i have to pay for it for myself and my family
+1 it's great that he understands there is a huge number of us who think that the EU is basically a good thing which has been overwhelmingly a positive influence for the UK over the past 40 years.
+1 it's great that he understands there is a huge number of us who think that the EU is basically a good thing which has been overwhelmingly a positive influence for the UK over the past 40 years.
Great way of asset stripping the UK though, let the best move without issue, set up new lives elsewhere and let the UK drift into irrelevance.
The best have always been able to move fairly freely, I don't see it really making much difference but it's a nice statement of intent.
Great way of asset stripping the UK though, let the best move without issue, set up new lives elsewhere and let the UK drift into irrelevance.
No, we would plug the gaps through immigration. Oh wait!
That it pisses off farage and the rest of the swivel-eyed loons is just the icing on the cake 😆
The best have always been able to move fairly freely
The very highest earners maybe, but not people like me. I could easily get an overseas job now, in the EU, but it's next to impossible outside the EU. I'd have to be in the lucky situation of being required by my own company overseas.
The best have always been able to move fairly freely, I don't see it really making much difference but it's a nice statement of intent.
The richest have always been able to move, difference is freedom of movement means you don't need the cash to pay for visas etc. If your good you can get a job anywhere relatively easily.
Should also mention, if your trying to attract a company to your shores being able to move some of the staff easily always helps.
I guess I'm in a particularly strong position through being a scientist, it was always just a question of getting the job, with the visa (if outside EU) being an afterthought.
The biggest barrier to me getting a job in say France or Germany is not the paperwork needed to work there (I know it's currently none - that may change), but my poor language skills.
The biggest barrier to me getting a job in say France or Germany is not the paperwork needed to work there (I know it's currently none - that may change), but my poor language skills
Of course, but you can change that. But there are also companies that require English speakers.
But the point is that it's not JUST paperwork to fill in. We for example can't simply apply for jobs in the US. You need a green card or a visa, and they are only given out in specific circumstances. It just not an option for the majority. It's similar by the way for non-EU foreigners wishing to come here.
[i]But the point is that it's not JUST paperwork to fill in. We for example can't simply apply for jobs in the US. You need a green card or a visa, and they are only given out in specific circumstances. It just not an option for the majority. It's similar by the way for non-EU foreigners wishing to come here. [/I]
Yep. Just been called about a contract in Luxembourg, won't be getting those calls for long... And neither will the UK agencies get the roles either I reckon.
So how much is your average Brexiter willing to stump up for their chocolate fix?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39228249 ]Chocolate price hike if Brexit deal fails, warns Mars[/url]
Never got Mars Bars,I'll take a Snickers anyday.
Wait a minute are the Brexies gonna make us start calling them Marathons again?
So how much is your average Brexiter willing to stump up for their chocolate fix?
Read the comments underneath....
Or maybe don't read the comments!
Guy V is a consomethinge politician, his agenda will be to ensure jurisdiction of ECJ in the UK / permanent right of residence and equal access to benefits / welfare for EU citizens coming to the UK post Brexit. I wouldn't hold your breath Graham IMO he is not to be trusted further than I could throw him.
@b r I'll wager you the calls for Lux will keep coming. I'd say Lux is working overtime to poach business from London/UK so they'll ensure they get the skills. Remember Lux has shafted the rest of the EU with its very cosy and secret tax deals to get Amazon/Starbucks etc to base themselves there.
Guy V is a consomethinge politician, his agenda will be to ensure jurisdiction of ECJ in the UK / permanent right of residence and equal access to benefits / welfare for EU citizens coming to the UK post Brexit. I wouldn't hold your breath Graham IMO he is not to be trusted further than I could throw him.
And he is doing a dam sight more for 48% of the UK population than the UK government and official opposition.
I am expecting some form of financial cost to keeping the access. But as far as i am concerned that's fine.
It's in their interests as someone else said they then have the easy option of making it easy to get skilled people over there.
Not holding my breath but if i get an option to be able to maintain free access for myself and my family i am doing it. And as selfish as this sounds bollocks to those who can't afford it as in general they voted to exit us in the first place, you voted out you lose the benefits, if we who wanted to stay have an option then i suspect a lot will take it.
Final compromise will probably be close to where we are now just a bit worse
Bound to be worse, no way could it be anywhere as good since we currently have the best of all worlds.
In simple numbers what's your guesstimate, 5% worse, or a smaller/bigger number?
I realise you'll say it's not that easy but it'd be good to see a predicted impact. And how long as even Jamba reckons 10 years of impact before we start to improve and move back towards where we should've been.
Private Eye's, Teresa'a School column is worth a read this week
Final compromise will probably be close to where we are now just a bit worse
and probably take 10 years to get back to the point we are now. Well worth it.
Be interesting to get the leavers view of whether it was worth it, what they feel has changed etc,.
teamhurtmore - Member
Final compromise will probably be close to where we are now just a bit worse
rather optimistic imho, Im not sure I trust our MPs to handle the complexity of it all, I also know that the science community feels that they are being ignored, it may well take 10 years to get back to where we are today, but thats 10 wasted years
teamhurtmore - Member
Final compromise will probably be close to where we are now just a bit worse
rather optimistic imho, Im not sure I trust our MPs to handle the complexity of it all, I also know that the science community feels that they are being ignored, it may well take 10 years to get back to where we are today, but thats 10 wasted years
Still too optimistic in my opinion. We are only 9 months after the vote and already UK science has taken some hard knocks in terms of recruitment, loss of funding streams, squeezing out from international consortia due to uncertainty and an inability to be able to do any long term planning.
It will probably take 10 years for the major observable effects of the post-brexit economic impacts to show in scientific research and training (unless steps are taken immediately to shore things up). Without major upfront investment (particularly in constraint-free fundamental science where the real step changes in understanding and knowledge are made) and major concessions to enable fast recruitment and funding of overseas students/workers at PhD and PDRA levels I doubt British science will be back to pre-2016 world leading levels of excellence in my career (I'm 36.....).
Of course in 10 years time we will have no idea how things would have panned out had the opposite path taken, so will have no grounds for comparison.