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Please can we have PSAs before quoting WoS - senses need to be forewarned - plus there is an Indy5 thread we can use
At least we now know what Brexit is for. The money being saved (NHS £350m) is to be used to revive the Grammar schools (same amount supposedly being put aside in the budget next week). 😀
Not per week @eden, its a one off (afaik)
Another meangless Lords amendment.
Not seen much coverage from the Versailles EU shindig for their 60th
That'll be all of the 350 million spent on grammar schools under Westminster jurisdiction will it ?
Actually the stuff coming out of the Europe is VERY interesting - L'Europe a plusieurs vitesses is back on le menu. Just who will we be negotiating with at the end of the two years?
[Ironic that it is Hollande (remember him) bringing this up despite the obvious fact that France would probably only qualify for the second division at this rate!]
Just goes to show what a total waste of time voting on something that cannot exist in its current form was. TOTAL MADNESS?
Lord Lawson view (and Sky reporting) that UK/EU won't reach an agreement in 2 years (not least as delay favours the EU) and that preparing for and assuming WTO should be our expectation. Whatever your view on that it certainly makes sense from a negotiating stance for the EU to believe that's the case.
The two speed thing is not new though and its highly controvesial with the newer members so imho won't happen. Also Italy and France listed as supporters but both countires are very likely to see a significant change of leadership soon.
No it's doesn't as both sides lose out badly in that case. Is in no ones interests to fall back in WTO that's the LOSE:LOSE option
It's not new, correct, but it's even more relevant than ever.
Shackleton, you had two years to discuss this scenario.
Did I? Despite being English?
And you are missing the point. Just because you don't agree with it or think it was be a good move for scotland (I don't think it is a great idea either) doesn't mean that they shouldn't be asked given the premise and outcome of both referendums.
From the CER.
ambalaya - MemberNot per week @eden, its a one off (afaik)
Falls off chair as Jamba appears to be correct. The ridiculous thing is that £350m is being spread over 140 schools. That is very few new builds and a lot that'll just be receiving a lick of paint.
[I]Boarding Bob that nonsense link is still bleating about about Scotland not taking any national debt share, if that's the case we will take back all the hospital, military and police equipment etc thats been bought with it. [/I]
Hmm, didn't I see you post a thought that the UK could just leave the EU without settling up its debts, yet it seems you don't think Scotland can do the same? 😉
Shackleton understood re English vs Scottish had made an assumption. My point is that the Brexit result was not new information, it was a scneario. Maybe one people thought unlikely but it was foreseeable.
Nipper, read the summary. Its all fairly pro-EU as I'd expect. This quote made me laugh, Junker et all should take note. The UK politicians have been pretty restrained with thenexcpetion of Farage but he has every right given how he has been ridiculed for a very long time.
Grandstanding and smugness will erode goodwill towards the UK.
@br Chapeau but ... the EU doesn't issue debt and we are not in the euro. Re EU assets we amusingly seem to be in a quite a strong position. The more I think about it the more the EU have screwed up, A50 was only introduced in the Lisbon Treaty as leaving had never been thought of before. They really should have laid out how liabilities like pensions, nuclear power station decomissioning etc would be dealt with.
[I]The more I think about it the more the EU have screwed up, A50 was only introduced in the Lisbon Treaty as leaving had never been thought of before. They really should have laid out how liabilities like pensions, nuclear power station decomissioning etc would be dealt with. [/I]
When you married the current Mrs Jamba did you set out the divorce settlement, just in case?
Thats a good point ....
Actually as a matter of fact yes, that's standard practice in French law. You chose one of 3 (or 4) standard options or you can have a legally binding pre-nup.
The EU isn't a marriage, it was supposed to be an Economic Communty. As such setting out economic terms in the event of exit would seem blindingly obvious to me. However they are too arrogant to have even admitted it was possible and even then A50 was a token gesture.
About the CER.
The Centre for European Reform is a think-tank devoted to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well. We also think that the EU should take on more responsibilities globally, on issues ranging from climate change to security. The CER aims to promote an open, outward-looking and effective European Union.
I'm going for a bike ride. Anyone else?
So, Tarzan gets the sack.
[I]I'm going for a bike ride. Anyone else? [/I]
I'd just got in from a night ride, blowing a hoolie on top 😉
What's. "blowing a hoolie" b r.?
Windy
slowoldman - Member
So, Tarzan gets the sack.
crazy old git, fair play to him!
just for hezza https://theconversation.com/in-defence-of-the-grey-squirrel-britains-most-unpopular-invader-73983
I see we are in for another punishment budget 🙁
S****s
Like something from Yes Prime Minister
Lord Heseltine told the BBC the prime minister was "exercising her perfectly legitimate right to get rid of opposition in any way she finds appropriate. Whether it's a wise thing to do is a matter for her not for me,"
The safest bet withe budget is that it will be uneventful. Take away with one hand, give with another.
Always amazed that it gets so much coverage
NW - Hezza is no fool.. He knew what he was doing and the consequences.
[i]What's. "blowing a hoolie" b r.? [/I]
Windy, but from every direction 🙂
On top of here:
Hezza is no fool.. He knew what he was doing and the consequences.
They weren't the consequences, they were the objective...
May now looks like she's scared of opposition and she looks like an autocratic dictator. It also frees up Heseltine to join Major in a stronger fight back now he's no longer required to keep his mouth shut.
The Brexit camp generally now have to argue that even though their objective in leaving the EU is to 'take back control' and make Parliament sovereign, that in actual fact they don't want to make Parliament sovereign after all..
The Lords have quite deliberately put them in this position IMO...
The most recommended comment on the Guardian’s story on Heseltine’s sacking says it all...
“27 other EU parliaments can veto the deal........
except the sovereign UK parliament.
Taking back control.”
It's pitiful watching a small number of lunatics getting manoeuvred into a corner like this. it would be hilarious (like a cross between Monty Python and Yes Minister) if it wasn't having such a negative impact on our economy and international political standing and those of us down on the ground trying to survive in difficult times...
“27 other EU parliaments can veto the deal........
except the sovereign UK parliament.Taking back control.”
😀
Hezza and Major have been wrong on Europe for a long time - better to put them both on the same "no longer required" shelf.
i see that another tory manifesto pledge has been scrapped
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27 other EU parliaments can veto the deal........
except the sovereign UK parliament.
Meaning the Brexit deal?
Kimbers that's for those in regular employment. The self employed use various methods to swerve NI. Has to end.
Kimbers that's for those in regular employment. The self employed use various methods to swerve NI. Has to end.
Indeed, bastard Tories, cracking down on tax avoidance
i see that another tory manifesto pledge has been scrapped
The self employed use various methods to swerve NI. Has to end.
Not commenting on whether it's a good or bad thing; just on the fact that they said (yes, said; not 'were calling for' or 'inferred' or.....) they wouldn't and now have.
Or are you saying that as time passes then we might need to go back on previous commitments when it turns out that situation isn't panning out exactly as imagined. And that to press ahead with a prior commitment just because it seemed correct at the time is more important than making the right decision?
(in Trumpland, they could spin this that in fact NI has been reduced, just by a negative number. Fooled us again!)
Jamba
Lots of local built trails run off from there, no wonder I've managed +60,000 feet so far this year. Come on up to the Tweed Valley and I'll take you down all the trails you've heard and read about while you regal me with stories about how Brexit will be ace 🙂
[I]Kimbers that's for those in regular employment. The self employed use various methods to swerve NI. Has to end. [/I]
No, lets be clear we (whether fully self-employed or business owners) follow the rules set up by parliament and managed by HMRC. I'm sure you also take advantage of any rule that 'profits' you too, like ISA's, or higher-rate tax credits when putting money into pensions.
Indeed, bastard Tories, cracking down on tax avoidance
Indeed, bastard Tories attacking ordinary people.
Hezza and Major have been wrong on Europe for a long time - better to put them both on the same "no longer required" shelf.
Silly, silly boy.
looking positive....
So it was all about the fishing quotas
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@kimbers 🙂
Would love to b r, I can even wear my Vote Leave T-Shirt for extra laughs 😉 I'll have to get a lot fitter first 😳
Teresa May up there swallowing the entire post Brexit fish quota in one gulp.
From the FT, AIG are setting up shop in Luxembourg to avoid brexit fallout.
add on the 20% VAT charge on roaming announced yesterday, the potential for airline regulation chaos, the good news keeps on flowing.
post Brexit fish quota
There won't be a quota. British fishermen didn't vote out to end up with more quotas! They want to be able to catch whatever they want, sod the consequences.