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He has what?
Had a proper job, he was an Investment Manager for many years and set up his own firm with some colleagues in 2007 which now has a few billion under management.
Nice house his father had.
Probably very little money left over after buying that.
Coming from a family with teachers in top privates, I do. 🙂
My cousin used to chair the governors of a reasonable school, the former teacher representing the teaching staff on that body used to waste their time discussing scurrilous gossip, perhaps its a universal failing of the profession in those places?
He was also a mate of mine 😉
Both Cambridge and Oxford are or at least were pretty corrupt in my opinion.
The only reality in which JRM isn't an overprivileged dickhead, is that of a Russian oligarchs.
Rees Mogg
The man who took his nanny door to door campaigning
Well in touch with the common folk
mefty - Member
His father was editor of the Times so he was very influential and was one of the great and the good.
Great and the good what, exactly?
And please don't say manager of an investment firm that he probably paid someone to manage for him anyway because he probably can't do maths anyway, his degree is in history.
I'll wager cars and car manufacuring will have a tariff free deal at zero cost
Which is partly why your logic and maths falls into the Trump area of expertise...
The amount paid to the EU has just about disappeard already, it's being allocated 2 or 3 times over.
Don't worry tarrifs will save us (you know paid for by the public and business alike) so we have to pay more to subsidise things ie less money in pockets (along with a weaker pound)
So then we are going to get rid of any kind of tarrifs and effectivly subsidise buisness to stay put (who will be leaving ASAP if the bribes run out)
So far I see more in the red column than the black one.
[i]BMW Production. Isn't it something like all X3/5's are built in the States inc for export to Europe. They seem to manage tariff issues there no ? [/I]
I've already answered you on this (in another post maybe?), it's because of the TARRIF'S in the USA for 4x4's - and as that's the largest market for these types of vehicles you build them there and export back to other countries.
[I]Don't worry tarrifs will save us (you know paid for by the public and business alike) so we have to pay more to subsidise things ie less money in pockets (along with a weaker pound)[/I]
I also pointed this out previously, and no one seemed to pick up on the 'we pay' bit...
@b r apologies I missed your earlier reply but it makes my point I think. Just becasue tariffs exist doesn't mean its unattractive to put production abroad. Same point on Japanese cars, we buy plenty that are built in Japan.
@mike my point was the EU will IMO agree a tariff free deal for cars and auto manufacuring, its an obvious subset of the single market. Its listed as one of TM's priorities in the Government strategy paper. This deal will involve no budget payment either way (as the benefit to the EU will be offset against benefits we are looking for elsewhere eg financial services)
Tom Oxford and Cambridge are ranked at the top of World Universities due to the quality of their teacheing, research and students. They really do represent the best in general terms. We as a country should be rightly proud of such excellence. I sat the entrance exam back in 1980 when it was an advatgae to come from a private school as they got specific coaching in the unique exams and as a state school boy I did not. That's all changed now. Eton is a fabulous school for a broad variety of reasons and is an example of combining academic excellence with ofher personal skills. It rightly has an oitstanding reputation worldwide.
This deal will involve no budget payment either way (as the benefit to the EU will be offset against benefits we are looking for elsewhere eg financial services)
Be interested to see how it actually plays out though as there is a lot of negotiating to do
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39123604
Kicking off in the lords though
Tom Oxford and Cambridge are ranked at the top of World Universities due to the quality of their teacheing, research and students. They really do represent the best in general terms. We as a country should be rightly proud of such excellence
and now thanks to brexit they can expect to find things tougher to maintain their reputations, both unis believing wed have been better in
still the old folk got their way and we are on our way out
Be interested to see how it actually plays out though as there is a lot of negotiating to do
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39123604
Kicking off in the lords though
Good, any argument about reciprocal rights is crap and shouldn't even be on the table. You live here discussion over. Just an example of the xenophobia being shown by certain parts of the Tory party aided and abetted by the Labour party.
I really had hoped the UK would be better than this, obviously i was wrong.
I really had hoped the UK would be better than this
I put a lot of the blame at May's door. It seems to be her general xenophibia that's setting the tone of the debate. A leader could easily have accepted the referendum result and taken the middle ground, a conciliatory aproach, but she deliberately didn't do this and marched off to the right. This enables all the xenophobes and ignores all the moderates.
A very bad thing she is doing. It makes a drastic result much more drastic instead of tempering it.
I put a lot of the blame at May's door.
Look at her actions at the home office. It says all you need to know IMO.
On the contrary, and despite Major's ill-advised comments, there have been conciliatory comments from both sides - even bloody Verhofstadt, which is saying something. I have been comforted by both May and Barnier's rhetoric and common sense, followed up by the Bundesbank which is not normally associated with conciliatory tones.
May has simply reminded people of some home truths about the vote and what it means. That we, the losers, are trying to re-write history is the sad part. We are still rehashing the same arguments - arguments that were lost - instead of focusing on the job at hand. One of the few people who is exempt from this is the PM.
So far, so good.
May has simply reminded people of some home truths about the vote and what it means. That we, the losers, are trying to re-write history is the sad part.
you really did get a different ballot paper to everyone else
Yes mine was the A3 version with all the permutations and options on. I was able to weight each of the options and critique each one. A rare ballot paper. All a bit unnecesary as I voted to stay - we had a brilliant deal. All those slagging off * CMD look pretty silly now
* albeit he deserved slagging off for overselling his "important clarifications" as being part of restructuring the EU. That WAS BS and steaming BS at that. Probably his biggest mistake.
and saw a different result than the almost too close to call 51/49.
Any decent leader would take that close vote as requiring a middle ground approach. She is acting as though the vote was 90/10.
Yes mine was the A3 version with all the permutations and options on. I was able to weight each of the options and critique each one. A rare ballot paper.
Must have been as you Jamby, TM, Borris, Nige and chewkw all seem to know what leave means but none of you really agree on that.
Odd that - imagine trying to fit all the permutations on a ballot paper!?!
No one knows what leave means other than we are giving up our membership of the EU. I havent mentioned this before but the rest is subject to considerable and lengthy NEGOTIATIONS...
...more to follow, no doubt
May has simply reminded people of some home truths about the vote and what it means.
AFTER the vote! Not very bloody useful.
I can sort of see what you're trying to say, but you have to admit the consequences of the result were massively dependent on the attitude of those implementing it, don't you?
We could have had Norway, Switzerland, or something else - there were loads of options. May has chosen one.
I havent mentioned this before but the rest is subject to considerable and lengthy NEGOTIATIONS
Of course, but you go into negotations with a POSITION and that's May's own decision.
I havent mentioned this before but the rest is subject to considerable and lengthy NEGOTIATIONS...
But yet you seem to want to agree that ruling things out before we start is fine. Maybe you need some caffeine 😉
I do not believe that any option is ruled out - Norway is clearly challenging not least because of FoM but also that
1. It is not clear that other EEA members would want the UK
2. It is only a partial solution esp re movement of goods
Anyone who did a little reading before the vote could have appreciated this or are we still playing the card that all LEAVERS were thick?
May has not chosen one - she is going for a bespoke deal rather than one of the existing options. Again a little reading is your friend.
May has not chosen one - she is going for a bespoke deal rather than one of the existing options.
Ah bespoke, all options open then???
are we still playing the card that all LEAVERS were thick?
It only took about a million, plenty of them could be complete idiots.
May has simply reminded people of some home truths about the vote and what it means
She has simply hijacked the wishes of 25% of the resident population to hell with the wishes of 25% who expressed a contra-opinion, and as for the 50% who weren't able to vote or chose not to. She has ignored the situation in Gibraltar and NI which are far more complicated. Puching the idea that it will be fine etc. Where was the condemnation of press attacks on the judiciary?
Looking at her record at the Home Office i am not optimistic and do wonder if she is simply a xenophobe herself and pushing her personal agenda. After all it seems it was the UK who blocked the EU trade deal with India. Those go home poster that were issued on her watch. etc.
Also the minor detail of her own departmental conflicts with European courts.
Sensible option is to assign probabilities to the various options rather than rule any out at this stage. Pink lines and all that.
At present EEA would appear to have the lowest probability for both obvious and less obvious reasons.
Anyone who did a little reading before the vote could have appreciated this or are we still playing the card that all LEAVERS were thick?
Most voters don't read much - you must acknowledge that.
And you might know better than me but it certainly loks like May is taking a hard line. Unless it's bluff?
Look at her actions at the home office.
Which ones, the ones which were involved in opting out of the police and criminal matters (about 130) and then negotiating an immediate opt-in for the 31 she thought were worthwhile? Seems to indicate an ability to negotiate sensible compromises with our European partners.
It is not clear that other EEA members would want the UK
There would be a lot of resistance, we are just too big relative to the other members.
Big relative to who?
Germany? France?
Or are you talking about EFTA?
True that EFTA would strongly resist having a single large country swinging its weight around.
Any (already dead) hope of being in the EEA relied more on a bespoke deal, rather than EFTA membership, really.
[i][ I was going to start up my "May has killed any chance of us being in the Single Market" rant… but yesterday Corbyn finally confirmed that he is perfectly prepared to kill that option as well… no point blaming May anymore, there is consensus between our political "Leaders"… I need to modify and widen that rant considerably… ][/i]
[url= https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-01/brexit-exodus-starts-with-a-trickle-as-some-say-banks-bluffing?cmpid=BBBXT0301317 ]Another article for TJ.[/url] Reiterates all the points that been made. Although this quote particularly tickled me
One European banking boss quipped that the only way France would be top of his list would be if you turned it upside down.
Jamba - no worries
Anyone who did a little reading before the vote could have appreciated this or are we still playing the card that all LEAVERS were thick?
They were doing some Brexit thing on BBC North West the other night, and asked some mad old trout why she'd voted to leave. Her answer...
"well they made us have straight bananas and cucumbers, didn't they, and the eggs aren't right, are they?"
No... me neither. I do think there should have been a banana-related true or false question before you were allowed to vote. Given how slender the majority was, I think its safe to say that the thick-as-pigshit element definitely swung it
Oh dear!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39123982 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39123982[/url]
I'm sure there's something positive for brexshitters to jump on. 🙁
Taking back control?
Taking back control?
In a Mel Gibson talking down a suicide jumper kind of way?
Which ones, the ones which were involved in opting out of the police and criminal matters (about 130) and then negotiating an immediate opt-in for the 31 she thought were worthwhile? Seems to indicate an ability to negotiate sensible compromises with our European partners.
This was because we were in a treaty which allowed us to do so if we so chose. Nothing to do with negotiation here.
Newsflash: we're not in a treaty to allow us to pick and choose which bits of the EU we want.
A different take on the s***storm.
Anyone who did a little reading before the vote could have appreciated this or are we still playing the card that all LEAVERS were thick?
It is well documented that on average the leavers were of lower intelligence. And the ones that were not thick were just intelligent racists 🙂
Most voters are thick which is exactly why you should not be asking them a direct question where they can give the wrong answer - but then we've been round that a few times already....
This was because we were in a treaty which allowed us to do so if we so chose. Nothing to do with negotiation here.
Only gave us opt out right in entirety, no automatic piecemeal opt in right that had to be negotiated both within the government and with the EU - [url= https://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/jul/08/britain-european-arrest-warrant-reform ]see contemporaneous report[/url].
Well done my fellow British people. We had it really good for about the last 40 years, but it obviously wasn't good enough. Slow clap.
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Only gave us opt out right in entirety, no automatic piecemeal opt in right that had to be negotiated both within the government and with the EU - see contemporaneous report.
Looks like pushing at an open door with regards to this then, as all sides wanted those parts. Again not the same here.
Given the way things are panning out - that our nations future is in the hands of a cult of rabid, flag-waving, xenophobic, uber right wing nut-job racists, there surely can't be many large multinational companies who aren't thinking exactly the same as Ford? That now may well be the perfect time to get the **** out of Dodge!
Its absolute insanity!
Chrysler own dodge, they should get the **** outa Ford.
I'll get my coat.