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A duty to make it work? Don't make me laugh. We have a duty to protect the poor and weak and opposing leaving the EU is one way we should be doing this.
all politicians who are not totally loopy should be working as hard as they can to make the governments position untenable - after all most of them back remaining in the EU and as for " the country has spoken" its utter tosh. Thin majority of a minority of the population and of course the vote excluded many millions of taxpaying residents.
the whole thing is completely bogus, unutterably stupid and is a total disaster
That is basically my point with Brexit, we have always been a globally focused nation and it's time to reinvigorate that.
That was all very well and good when we had such a technological advantage, that we could start a war with China and win - but we can't use naval power anymore to be a trading nation that can dictate the terms of trade in our favour.
We'll become a globally focused nation though, one that exports low paid OFW's like the Philippines does now, to China and India in 50 years. 😆
I have no interest in making you laugh.
Encouranging you to post things that are true would be far more beneficial to us all though, but that's a long shot isn't it?
, we have always been a globally focused nation and it's time to reinvigorate
I rest my ****ing case
Total and absolute contentless bollocks, Jamba I assume you are well educated and well read (better than me) so you must be a Troll spouting the champagne cork/reinvigorate shite
Total and absolute contentless bollocks, Jamba I assume you are well educated and well read (better than me) so you must be a Troll spouting the champagne cork/reinvigorate shite
Where there is change there is always an opportunity for those with the money to take advantage of it. For the majority you just have to muddle through.
mrmo - MemberYou assume that the locals can do the jobs, bluntly many of those who are unemployed are unemployable. Some people are capable and "luck" hasn't been with them i will accept. Too many expect a decent job and won't put in the effort to get it.
Those leaving will simply take the work with them leaving nothing behind.
So it's back to the politics of envy. Brexit won't make us rich, but at least we will all be impoverished together.
So it's back to the politics of envy. Brexit won't make us rich, but at least we will all be impoverished together.
Not quite, the rich will have the money to take advantage of the situation,eveyone else will just end up as canon fodder.
Blimey is everyone that spineless?
THM never confuse stupidity with bravery..
THM, what does history teach us, first the worst thing, every time a european project goes wrong lots of people will die in Belgium ( not sure why but it always seems to be the case)
Second, those with money will be fine.
Third no country is entitled to lead the world, power moves, empires come and go. For the UK to move forward it needs to understand and leave the past behind.
Going forward, the UK needs investment, but it needs something to sell. Frankly i haven't yet seen a UK government display any competence in decades. I have seen very few companies run for the long term.
"Long term" seems to be an alien concept in British business and politics.
Are you asking me a question?
"Globally focussed nation"
You mean we used to have an empire. We don't any more. Get over it.
I don't get the "we all need to work together" mantra that is spouted by brexit politicians (most of whom wouldn't recognise a business or a job if it bit them in the arse)
For me it's like your ex partner has maxed their overdraft and the plastic and says "let's work together" (I. E. You work as you have the skills and education) to pay this back. In the real world someone gets told to **** off.
we all need to work together
Why?
What happens at 3/19 if we don't have a deal?
teamhurtmore - MemberWhat happens at 3/19 if we don't have a deal?
That's not the point though.
This shiny new vision of a UK that bestrides the global stage, selling artisan sausages to Israel, or advanced weaponry to Argentina, or whatever is not *my* vision. It's the vision of people like Boris Johnson, David Davis, Nigel Farage, IDS, and that odious little back-stabber.
If we are truly all this in together then they should be going up and down the country enthusing all us bremoaners about why it's so amazing and why we should get stuck in.
But I don't see that. Boris Johnson appears to be MIA. Farage is cozying up with Trump. David Davis seems to be in hiding, and when he appears looks like a neurotic rabbit in the middle of a road with a BMW bearing down on it.
So I don't see why I should "work together" for a vision that these people can't even be bothered to enunciate. I don't know what the vision is. I don't agree with where it came from. And I don't have any confidence that it is remotely realistic.
Sorry, if that means that on 19/3 that the sky will fall in, then those people need to sort their act out.
À la lanterne!
It's very much the point, What happens and do you want that.
@oldnpastit yes but if you are proven wrong and the new globally focused UK is a great sucess whilst Europe plunges into a deep recession as a resuot of excessive government debt I imagine you'll be taking yoir share of all the benefits
jambalaya - Member@oldnpastit yes but if you are proven wrong and the new globally focused UK is a great sucess whilst Europe plunges into a deep recession as a resuot of excessive government debt I imagine you'll be taking yoir share of all the benefits
Of course. I don't see any contradiction in that. Society has been fractured, and until it gets put back together, we're no longer "all in it together" (assuming we ever even were).
"back together"
Progress !
Jamba used the "if" word!
C'mon indulge me: what happens on 3/19 if we don't have a deal?
It you care, this IS a critical question...
I've started stocking up on tinned food so I'll be dandy.
C'mon indulge me: what happens on 3/19 if we don't have a deal?
We all thank May for her redlines and "no deal is better than a bad deal" negotiating strategy?
We admire the smiles on the faces of the "Brexit at any cost" ministers, while they're still promising us everything is about to get better, in every way?
We thank the MPs, politicians, and others, who warned this might happen, but supported and enabled May to do what she wants, regardless?
...and then what? . Come on, you claim that this is important and affects you greatly....
The pound collapses and I can finally afford a UK house?
The real answer is nobody really knows - the final option is a lot of things are not valid anymore, the status of UK and EU migrants is unknown etc. The UK needs reverts to the isolated shit hole UKIP want to get back to.
Aside from that nobody is going to indulge you THM.
Are you claiming to have no idea of any of the possible effects of us leaving the EU without having settled the terms of our exit?
Or are you talking about the exit terms being settled, but no new trade deal?
And no transition period, or delayed exit date?
Oh and trade is not part of the Exit terms (unless we agree to retain some kind of (word that THM can't be pedantic about) EU/EEA/Common market option.
But as our great PM has decided to not play ball on that by ruling out freedom of movement based only on the loud shouts of a vocal minority the level of access we (and Norway) enjoy today is not going to be an option.
I am simply asking what happens on 3/19 if no alternative trading arrangement.is in.place? A very simple yet fundamental question.
Edit: sorry mike but it's not true tha nobody knows, we know exactly what will happen. Exactly.
Third no country is entitled to lead the world, power moves, empires come and go. For the UK to move forward it needs to understand and leave the past behind.
Which is precisely the argument many leavers have made, Europe is the past and the future is elsewhere. Likewise Governments have a limited role in determining what businesses generate employment, they are limited to the Kevin Costner's role in "Field of Dreams", they put in place the policies to attract businesses and they will come.
You haven't asked a bounded question THM. No one can even attempt to answer your question unless you describe the exact situation you want us to describe the possible fall out from. Goodnight.
How much more bounded do you need?
What happens if no alternative trading agrreement is in place on 3/19?
Same question, simple, exact and precise with a known, clear and documented answer. Have a go tomorrow.
Sleep well.
From my personal position I run a business that employees well educated people (primarily graduates) and work in a space that is run and managed by well educated people. We don't employ people with little or no skills so Brexit will have limited impact on my business. So in reality I am not going to create work for low skilled people either local or immigrant. For Brexit to work it has to meet the needs of the working poor who voted out - I can't fix that with my business and out many on here can.
As far as I can see the only way the govt can fix this basic structural flaw is to borrow a lot (and I mean a lot) and invest in infrastructure and subsidise (bribe) overseas manufacturers to stay here. We have no real products to sell and few if any markets to sell into. My mate Bob is 52 he can read write and drive a forklift he is also unfit, over weight and thinks computers are for kids he is virtually unemployable and questionable value even on minimum wage - how do we fix this THM
If (when) there's no deal on 3/19 then hopefully parliament has the sense to revoke A50 and we get back to some semblance of normality many billions of pounds poorer and a global laughing stock. Tories will be unelectable for a generation but so are labour.
Is that really what you want to see thm? cos if we continue down this road it's the best achievable outcome.
As far as I can see the only way the govt can fix this basic structural flaw is to borrow a lot (and I mean a lot) and invest in infrastructure and subsidise (bribe) overseas manufacturers to stay here. We have no real products to sell and few if any markets to sell into. My mate Bob is 52 he can read write and drive a forklift he is also unfit, over weight and thinks computers are for kids he is virtually unemployable and questionable value even on minimum wage - how do we fix this THM
Maybe if all you highly educated people had not off shored all the job's Bob used to have you would not be sufering the wrath of Bob.
wicki - MemberMaybe if all you highly educated people had not off shored all the job's Bob used to have you would not be sufering the wrath of Bob.
If you walk into a shop and there are two products, both the same specification, but one is half the price of the other, which one do you buy?
Does one say it is artisan or maybe have a picture of an Apple on it?If you walk into a shop and there are two products, both the same specification, but one is half the price of the other, which one do you buy?
Its looking more and more likely there will not be a deal of any sort either transitional or permanent. Mays red lines and the red lines of the 27 are completely incompatible. Either she is going to have to compromise a huge amount or we will crash out with no deal.
nickjb - MemberDoes one say it is artisan or maybe have a picture of an Apple on it?
The one with a picture of an apple on it is made in Shanghai. The artisan one is actually just assembled in the UK by a guy from Poland from parts actually made in China.