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Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. (Compatible?)
Well exactly, brexit and putting jobs first are mutually exclusive.
Corbyn is clear he wants brexit, and so cannot put jobs first.
ninfan - Member
don’t think those are really EU issues.
All are enabled by EU. You simply can’t claim that freedom to incorporate in any EU tax territory isn’t related to the problem and directly brought about be EU rules
There were tax havens before the EU, they exist today outside the EU and the EU are one of the few bodies who appear to be doing anything about it.
So, nope, try again.
THM - you do have an unfortunate habit of coming out with comments that might be taken as somewhat anti-Scots.
Only by those who cannot handle the truth but you are correct there are a lot of those. A lot.
Next thing you know I will be wishing people harm or advocating getting rid of them. Very unfortunate habit.
“Little Nippy” THM - what’s the truth there?
I am simply returning the favour of wishing harm on those who wish it on me and mine. And have acted upon those wishes.
What harm have all those Scots you denigrate done you exactly?
Overall though, remainers have been too accepting of the Brexies and their constant enemies of the people, mutineers, crush the saboteurs nastiness for too long and it’s time people started taking the fight back to them.
“Crush the sabateours” wasn’t wishing harm on remainers with the country’s best interests at heart? Pull the other one.
Clean beaches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35871960
maternity / paternity leave , paid holidays, safe working hours ,
UK exceeds EU minimum in all of them doesn't it?
a court above the national level to protect your rights from State injustice, a right to life for UK soldiers whose widows can demand inquests ,
Supreme Court decision wasn't it? [i]R (on the application of Smith) v Secretary of State for Defence [2010] UKSC 29...[/i] So nothing to do with European courts, and even if it were, ECHR has nothing to do with Brexit, ECJ is not the ECHR.
are these examples of social Ills ?
Examples of a swing and a miss it looks like buddy
She makes reference to where that nickname came from herself.
THM - it’s derogatory, not very perhaps but it is. Don’t use it. And don’t use it in a stream of low level irritant comments or accept that people will come to a conclusion about you.
igm - Member
There were tax havens before the EU, they exist today outside the EU and the EU are one of the few bodies who appear to be doing anything about it.
Look who's just demonstrated he doesn't understand the effect of freedom of incorporation and the basics of corporate taxation 😀
Igm; thm's attitude is a lot to do with his retirement plans and the SNP's policy on Uni fees. And a wee bit of casual racism of course.
Sounds like I’ll fit in with you guys perfectly then ducks?
IGM there is nothing unique here in using political nicknames of varying degrees of politeness on STW. Few are part of the subjects self confessed personna, unlike nippy - but again easy to (mis)play the lazy racism card.
Ninfan - I think you’re struggling with multinational.
Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.
Sorry Brexy-boy
Your terrifying statistic of the day - slightly more Leave voters are in favour of the death penalty than the reintroduction of blue passports.
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Look who's just demonstrated he doesn't understand the effect of freedom of incorporation and the basics of corporate taxation
Look who's being pedantic in order to score points whilst ignoring the fundamental argument (I even removed the attribution to see how hard it is for those who missed the original to work out who might use that as their prime debating tactic...)
THM - I think I’m one of those guys, living in Yorkshire (which is a good place most of the time) and married to an English lass. You won’t get much casual racism from me.
Nor me
Excellent. Don’t be sloppy with your language then.
Nation states are heading for the past
Says a poster who advocates harming others ?!? 😯
Sticks and stones ....
If you want to see what the EU should be doing then see what is happening in Poland currently.
So swing and hit ninfan echr exactly what the brexiteers want us out of.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Nor me
We wish - Pretty sure you have been warned for it as you stopped using some phrases you had for the scottish- I dont think you are a racist but you dont mind straying there to wind up certain posters.
Your link says clean beaches is EU law not UK just we " might " have gone for them outside EU rules .
I'm still out to the original question
I know, what kind of democracy allows thickos to have a say. Leave decisions to the elite who know so much better!!
The ideal situation would be that the electorate are provided with sensible information on which to base their decision. Both leave and remain were guilty of not providing this.
Amazing poll Mattyfez , corporal punishment in schools ???????
it is safe to say that we can now call 42% of Leavers retarded .
No it’s not on any count
Says a poster who advocates harming others ?!?
I’ve been advocating, for example, avoiding Brexy businesses for ages. First you’ve noticed?
Who wouldn’t be happy to see Tim Martin go bust? The drinkers would find other pubs, the staff other bar to tend, but we wouldn’t have to put up with his rantings.
Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.
Russia being an excellent example Ninfan. Thank you.
We have had only one refrendum on EU membership. The EU post Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties became everything the 1975 EEC Referendum govt material said it would not. As I have posted many times my lifelong Labour voting parents who voted Yes is 1975 voted Leave in 2016 as they felt very strongly they had been lied to aboutthe EEC.
Around 15% GDP underperformance over a 20 year period was it? Or 20% over 15%
Based upon a ridiculous scenario where we signed no free trade deals with ANYONE else. Also from memory they assumed it was WTO is EU to boot.
FTSE closed at a record high today. Good news for anyone with a defined contribution pension.
maternity / paternity leave , paid holidays, safe working hours ,
UK exceeds EU minimum in all of them doesn't it? Yes and only brought them in to comply with the EU so in the EU we have even better protection than the worst EU nations , out side the EU we have worse rights than the worst EU nations . Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU ninfan.
Jamba - glad you understood it even if you disagree. Please explain it to THM.
Will the UK produce a large amount of copper and oil post Brexit jam?
"FTSE 100 and 250 hit fresh all-time records on a subdued return to trading as supply squeezes boosted copper and oil prices to multi-year highs"
[quote=jambalaya ]FTSE closed at a record high today. Good news for anyone with a defined contribution pension.
#wehaventleftyet
@igm - square these three things with me
Nation states are heading for the past. Unless you want to give up liberal values.
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Rise of Nationalist parties in Holland, France, Germany and Austria gaining Parliamentary representation
so Jambalaya , still no comment on Leave donors paying their tax bill ?
Chris didn’t read anything about that tbh. I hear you but raise you Sir Phillip Green, he dodged £300m. I very much doubt there are more tax dodging Leavers than Remainers.
BTW you mike want to like Ride Sospel on Facebook, Ash will be sending out GPX files for trails inc those used in the Trans Provence in the hills behind Nice.
That's simply not true is it Cranky, The UK introduced legislation guaranteeing paid holidays 35 years before we joined the EEC
FTSE closed at a record high today.
It doesn't reflect the underlying health of the UK economy though.
Speaking of which, the UK economy has lost about 19.3Bn since the brexit vote, or almost 300 million a week. According to the link below, that loss will increase to about 60Bn before the UK exits the EU.
[url= http://voxeu.org/article/300-million-week-output-cost-brexit-vote ]Here we go.[/url]
I particularity liked this part:
What are the economic causes of the output decline? Two potential explanations stand out:Increased uncertainty, which may temporarily depress investment and consumption spending
[b]Anticipated lower future living standards, as the reduction in trade with the continent would be likely to make the UK permanently poorer[/b]
The increased shrieking from the brexiters demonstrates that they are failing, they may be able to pull the UK out of the EU, but they won't be able to make that decision stick.
It doesn't reflect the underlying health of the UK economy though.
Still, it’s something though, right?
RIGHT?
Ninfan try not to get your facts from memes
https://medium.com/@seanjones11kbw/i-logged-into-twitter-and-someone-had-posted-this-image-into-my-timeline-5596de6f6311
The Holidays with Pay Act 1938 did not create a general right to paid holiday. It applied only to those workers who had their minimum wages set by a wage regulating authority (section 1(1)). Any worker whose pay was fixed under the Trade Boards Acts 1909 and 1918 or the Agricultural Wages (Regulation) Act 1924 were not to be entitled to more than a week’s paid leave in each year and the former were not to be allowed to take more than three consecutive days of leave (Section 1(2)).
The relevant part of the Act was repealed in 1975. By 1997 there was no statutory right to paid annual leave (unless you were an agricultural worker). That position changed as a result of the Working Time Regulations 1998. The Regulations were intended to implement the Working Time Directive 93/104/EC.
. Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU ninfan.
That's simply not true is it Cranky, The UK introduced legislation guaranteeing paid holidays 35 years before we joined the EEC
So before the EEC even existed? Strange reasoning from you. 😆
The holiday pay act was repealed and replaced with the EU working time directive, so if you can enlighten us on what will happen after March 2019? Copying and pasting into Uk law is no protection from changes to it in the future.
so if you can enlighten us on what will happen after March 2019? Copying and pasting into Uk law is no protection from changes to it in the future.
Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests there, and if enough people have the same outlook on issues, they get to club together to form a Government. What happens is that all these elected representatives get to propose legislation, and vote on it, and that's how laws get made and/or changed...
Still waiting for you to come up with a valid example of a social ill we suffer from being in the EU
I've given several on the previous page - you might have missed it while eating your Findus crispy horseshoes, or maybe prepping the defence case for another EU migrant sex offender who the police didn't know was here.
[quote=jambalaya ]@aracer markets price in their best estimates of the future
I guess they've noticed the ramifications of the Irish border deal.
"Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests " so you would be in favor of an unfettered free parliamentary vote on membership of the EU or not and the terms of any Brexit or not ?
Well, you see, we have this thing called a Parliament, and you get to vote for the person you best think would represent your interests there, and if enough people have the same outlook on issues, they get to club together to form a Government. What happens is that all these elected representatives get to propose legislation, and vote on it, and that's how laws get made and/or changed...
Oh right. So what your saying is Parliament is Sovereign and gets to make these sort of decisions then?
So why don't you brexiters want Parliamentary sovereignty when it comes to brexit?
want Parliamentary sovereignty when it comes to brexit?
Parliament voted on it, remember?
My MP in a strong remain voting constituency followed the party whip and voted the legislation through.
Democracy in action......
You're asking ninfan awkward questions and expecting answers? I predict pedantry...
My MP in a strong remain voting constituency followed the party whip and voted the legislation through.
Bet you a fiver you vote for the same party next general election though
Ninfan I meant ones that stand up to scrutiny , food contamination was higher pre EU regs and the Brexit argument is to reduce standards to import from Africa and us chlorinated chicken.
Crime is better enforced with the EU with data sharing and EU arrest warrants . Statistics suggest imigrant populations commit proportionately less crime than indigenous. The last sex offender that springs to mind was an EDL member who was shaking hands with the Biffers protesting a grooming case with an Asian defendant while the jury were deciding that he was in fact guilty. Criminal behavior is driven by personality not place of birth.
The increased shrieking from the brexiters
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
"Bet you a fiver you vote for the same party next general election though" which proves the last election is not a mandate for Brexit contrary to your earlier contention.
I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.
I'd be happy to review thier cases for free speech after they've had a holiday.
But of course the ban would not be legally binding, it would be for fun, like brexit is to them.
I guess they've noticed the ramifications of the Irish border deal.
🙂
There isn’t a deal. Look at the wording and notice how different it is to UK/EU citizens rights section. We’ve promised preceisely nothing. “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed” including the “Irish border solution”. Davies was bold enough to rub the EU’s noses in it as soon as he got back to the UK.
food contamination was higher pre EU regs
The Fipronil in eggs scandal dwarves the scale of all food contamination incidents that have taken place in the UK for decades
I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.
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I'd be happy to review thier cases for free speech after they've had a holiday.
How very narrow minded of you. Remainer till you die.
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
This. A list please Remainers.
Being on the losing side seems to get you a Knighthood. How very EU, defeated at home get a cushy spectacularly well paid job in Brussels
Spoken like a true remoaner matty - self pawn e2-e4
Suppress dissent. IGM won’t like your choice of nickname
Yeh, you are right, it's always useful to know what other people think about.
Even if they are bat shit crazy.
We'll not speak of regulations here, this is a local country for local people.
Retarded
Bat shit crazy
Next?
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
Not called them retarted, but called them traitors and saboteurs, businesses will fail because of brexit, and as for getting rid of them...death threats on both sides, a divided country that is not going to come together through the magic of Brexit.
I think we should have a STW referendum on whether ninny, team self hate and jamboree should be permanently banned.
Don't ban them. Just continue to destroy their delusions.
@crankboy those arguments where tried from March to June 2016. We took note of them and voted accordingly.
As for “chlorinated chicken” the EU has been stalling and stalling on this issue within the EU whilst Salmonella contamination in Poland rises. The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken” and “hormone beef” in the US. Not a big deal IMO (more female hormones in an egg than 1kg beef) . I started a thread about the chicken.
I'll stand by bat shit crazy.
There's only two reasons one would be in favour of brexit.
Bat shit crazy is one.
The other is money money money!
Ninfan ,So some bad people use a banned insecticide , and a transnational body is in a position to act across national borders to stop the sale of the contaminated product , and you think that the existence of the transnational body that banned the insecticide and forced the recall of the contaminated product is a bad thing ? Even though the scandal suggests that the national government involved was slow to act of it's own accord ?
Chris. If you make a gift fo someone and it’s taxable the tax is paid by the recipient not the donor. That is my understanding. As such any tax is due from the Leave campaigns not the donors.
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The increased shrieking from the brexiters
Have any called any remainers retarded or wished their businesses fail or claim that we should get rid of them?
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The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken” and “hormone beef” in the US. Not a big deal IMO (more female hormones in an egg than 1kg beef) .
Shame on you.
Why are chickens washed with chlorine in the US?It all comes down to money and efficiency of space. The majority of farmers do care about rearing their birds, but as profit margins can be very tight, animal welfare is sidelined to keep costs down. In the EU, cost is also important, but the law means it can’t come at the expense of the birds’ basic welfare. There is a legal minimum amount of space, lighting and ventilation for EU poultry rearing houses.
Salmonella contamination in Poland rises. The EU uses this plain and simple to suppress competion from the US. I have eaten plenty of “chlorinated chicken
You have to ask, jeez the.. Why the chicken has to chemically treated in the first place.
Are you really that stupid?
Well THM, I think Ninny is a little unfair. 😉 Brexy-boy or even Google-boy fits Ninfan better.
Jamba - nation states in the past. ‘Tis an opinion of course not fact, but the rise of nationalism isn’t contrary to the fall of the nation state, it’s part of the process. As our outlook becomes ever narrower, Britain, Scotland, Catalonia even, rather than Europe so the power balance between state and multinational becomes ever more skewed. It becomes harder to get them to pay tax because they simply move to avoid taxation. Renault-Nissan will do that in about 5-8 years - question is will the EU or Britain be a better bet for them at that time, and labour force, market accessibility, supply chain, quotas, standards and taxation (including customs) regime etc will all come into it.
The more uniformity there is the weaker the multinational’s hand, because they play the differences.
And you can make a living as a tax haven, but probably not for the population of Britain.
Now multinationals are not evil - far from it they are a natural evolution. But to keep pace you will need multinational jurisdictions - ie non-nation states.
Now within those multinational jurisdictions you can have a national culture. I’m Scots. Scotland has been part of a multinational jurisdiction for over 300 years. Long before me and probably after. It can work fine. (Just don’t pretend we’re English. Or Welsh. British fine, European fine.)
If nation states don’t evolve, they will continue to lose meaning and fragment.
Or.
You can find a strongman and rule with a rod of iron. Hence the Russia comment. But don’t expect your liberal values to survive that one.
A good analysis, what iron rod does the UK have after brexit, other than the one up its arse from America or Russia?
There's a reason zebras have stripes.
I may have to steal that igm 
Back of a fan packet answer jam but you are wrong first port of call for the tax is the donor not the recipient.
Sec 199.—(1) The persons liable for the tax on the value transferred by a chargeable transfer made by a disposition (including
any omission treated as a disposition under section 3(3) above)
of the transferor are—
(a) the transferor;
(b) any person the value of whose estate is increased by
the transfer;
(c) so far as the tax is attributable to the value of any
property, any person in whom the property is vested
(whether beneficially or otherwise) at any time after
the transfer, or who at any such time is beneficially
entitled to an interest in possession in the property;
(d) where by the chargeable transfer any property becomes
comprised in a settlement, any person for whose bene-
fit any of the property or income from it is applied
or maybe prepping the defence case for another EU migrant sex offender who the police didn't know was here
Are the EU ones worse than the British ones? Are EU workers more likely to sex offend that Brits?
Nasty bit of xenophobia there surely?
Are the EU ones worse than the British ones?
Depends if the police are aware of their existing criminal record
As far as I’m concerned we shouldn’t have even let him into the country - see for example the refusal to allow Mike Tyson into the UK
In January 2015, Ms Gross’s parents asked that anti-immigration movements did not use the inquest to further their agenda:“Alice believed in the free movement of people, and so do we,” her mother said. “For her sake, we are determined to ask these questions responsibly and sensitively.”
From your link Ninfan.
How many EU nationals have saved lives in this country?
On a daily basis.
Junkyard - lazarus
teamhurtmore » Nor meWe wish - Pretty sure you have been warned for it as you stopped using some phrases you had for the scottish- I dont think you are a racist but you dont mind straying there to wind up certain posters.
NOpe - he is racist. Someone who deliberately uses racist terms even when asked to stop is a racist. THM outed himself as anti scots racist by his continual use of pejorative terms for scots and scotland
Again you shoot yourself in the foot ninfan
Do you even read your own links , you want us out of the EU because the home office and UK police didn't do ACRO and Interpol checks on the guy. Which criminals are we more likely to detect , ones from an area where we share police intelligence and information or ones from an area where we do not ?