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That's where you're wrong - it was an edict from Brussels that forced us to drop it. #jambafact
Project Armageddon said we’d be in a depoer recenssion than post the financial crises.
Wow. News to me that one. You really will believe anything Jamba. 😉
Project Armageddon said we’d be in a depoer recenssion than post the financial crises.
Must have been a bendy bus to fit all that on the side!!
[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/12/24/anti-establishment-politician-all-butthurt-at-not-being-offered-a-knighthood/ ]Anti-establishment politician all butthurt at not being offered a knighthood[/url]
and the Mail continues it's season of fairy tales...
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We took back control and did something we could have done 5 years ago so yeah stop sneering you elites...
"Project Armageddon said we’d be in a depoer recenssion than post the financial crises. So 1.7% is nothing short of amazing. GET IN"
Err a) project fear was the brexshitters campaign based on Schrödinger's immigrants taking benefits and your job while claiming their cat gave them the right to remain, and Merkel is Hitler's love child seeking revenge for ww2.
And b) economic forecasts of what will happen post Brexfudge can only be assessed against what happens post brexfudge so reduced performance now pre brexfudge is just a taster of what is to come not a vindication of the plebiscite
C) should your valediction not be GET OUT ? It's the clever people even THNM saying stay in!
That DM page is a facsimile for the cover of this years Viz annual..
Well we've got back to 1987 at least...
The ONS also said that households have paid out more money than they received for four consecutive quarters, the first time that’s happened since records began in 1987.
Some elites are more elite than others - the sneerers must 'other' elites than the lizard people elite on the Heil's front page.
Just seen the perfect metaphor for Brexit.
Discuss.
Bloody ‘ell - still moaning 😯 at least the BBerg chart shows the different timing of current cycles.
Here’s to moving on in ‘18
For those of us that will experience the consequences of Brexit as something other than an amusing aside there is still plenty to moan about so I will carry on until this nonsense is stopped or scrapped etc.
For those of us that will experience the consequences of Brexit as something other than an amusing aside there is still plenty to moan about so I will carry on until this nonsense is stopped or scrapped etc.
Totally agree.
Your ****ing flags won't pay my staff.
Everyone who voted out can **** right off you ignorant ****s.
Happy new year.
I don't think we've done this one yet - here's something to think about THM (though it doesn't surprise me at all)
Here’s to moving on in ‘18
There seems little chance of that, possibly by 2022 but even then I doubt it. I could imagine that GE will be fought on non-Brexit issues but the Remaniacs will still be sneering.
In other news the out going Swiss President has been making noises about another EU Referendum there (they already voted to NEVER join) as she is very frustrated as to how the EU just tries to turn everything into politcial issues when really they want to talk about businesses. Also Politco reports French amd Bristish MPs in North France / SE UK have been working together to make sure this very importnat border gets as muc docus as Ireland, French have been having private meetings with Barnier. Also noted was fact that France could not be ready for WTO by March 2019, they need a deal.
@aracer Morgan Stanley don’t agree and neither do I. Project Armageddon was tried in 2016 and people quite rightly saw straight through it.
Everyone who voted out can * right off you ignorant *
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Is Farage pulling a gang sign there?
Is that daily mail front page for real?
The brexies really are an insecure bunch ,if us retainers sneering 😉 upsets then so much !
Still it's pretty much their only 'victory' of the 1st phase of talks. So I can see why they don't want it mocked.
I wonder what further delights the Tory Brexishambles will offer us in the next round of our [s]humiliating climbdowns [/s] negotiations with the EU in 2018
the Remaniacs will still be sneering.
Do you not think that they're just normal people, worried about their futures? And do you think that you might be the one doing some sneering there? Or do you just take the Daily Mail as gospel?
Morgan Stanley don’t agree
Because they've never been catastrophically wrong 😆
Jam, as we keep saying, the proof will be in 20 years' time, not this year.
And of course we still lose our rights.
I think that its great that the Daily Mail & their puppet PM are still banging on about something that only the dying demographic they are chasing give a flying **** about.
It just makes the Tories & their Brexishambles ever more alienating to the young.
They really don't have a clue, no wonder Barnier is running rings around 'em!
[quote=jambalaya ]the Remaniacs will still be sneering.
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Aw Kimbers.... you ok snowflake?
It's ok bloddynora,
I've got a support network of likeminded remainiacs, we have created a virtual safespace where we can confront the hideous reality of brexitrump etc.
We tweet & WhatsApp each other everytime there's an angry old white guy ranting on question time, or there's some fun to be had on hignfy, the last leg, league of gentleman mocking brexies was a big self confirmation boost for us, the new Alan partridge series, sure to get the mail fired up with frothing brexie outrage too!
Kimbers - you forgot to add 'Any Answers' on R4 on a Saturday afternoon. Top brexit ranting.
So the people who seem to be most upset are the brexiters who are panicking that people are going to see through their lies and deceptions, realise it's going to be a world of pain and revolt against it before the end of the negotiations. Well that is a surprise isn't it - guess what you can still have a blue passport if we stay in the EU it will just be worth more.
On the contrary. They won and it’s going to happen. So that are probably happier than the rest of us
Panic and revolution seems a likely as an England ashes test victory - oh we lost that too
teamhurtmore - Member
On the contrary. They won and it’s going to happen. So that are probably happier than the rest of us
the evidence is to the contrary, panic about pushing dates in bills, panic when people criticise them, angry shouting from the press whenever anything is challenged. Of course it depends how open your eyes are.
Or if you restrict yourself to trashy newspapers
The whole Brexshit process has been much steadier and less dramatic than the media would like people to believe
2018 will most likely be the same.
teamhurtmore - Member
Or if you restrict yourself to trashy newspapers
No I also include wailing MP's the wholly thought through posts of the Brexiters in here and the architects of the Omnishambles media appearances trying to explain why scrutiny and control are not parts of the process and why looking closer and asking awkward questions is very much unwelcome and unpatriotic which highlights the worst trait of invoking a sense of duty to the UK as a reason for not acting in the best interests of the country.
But carry on with whatever you are doing there which mostly comprises of telling people to shut up and take whats coming.
Better than moaning from the other side of the world. So will do.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]The whole Brexshit process has been much steadier and less dramatic than the media would like people to believe
Which doesn't mean it has been steady and undramatic - I presume you're not suggesting that? I note that just like the Brexiteers* it's also the Brexit supporting media getting most upset about the whole process.
* if you think the Brexiteers aren't getting upset you need to pay more attention
Soon I'll be raising objections to the process from the UK.
In reality we have simply moved to the position that non dramatic commentators suggested would happen and our most strident remoaners argued eould never happen. No surprises there.
Despite all the BS and noise and the three silly preconditions - which were neatly sidestepped in the end - we start 2018 with trade negotiations on the agenda. About time too
We will achieve a deal by the end of the year (in broad principle) although it will take a considerable period of transition.
There will be lots of noise and on going BS but the trend is clear. That’s all you need to focus on.
Despite all the BS and noise and the three silly preconditions - which were neatly sidestepped in the end - we start 2018 with trade negotiations on the agenda. About time tooWe will achieve a deal by the end of the year (in broad principle) although it will take a considerable period of transition.
Yes that bespoke deal - a term so vague leaving with nothing but the free pens can be seen as a momentous victory.
Anyway as part of a democracy we all have a right to comment and object to what the government is doing so people will continue to do that.
That’s all you need to focus on.
Yep, the words people use when they really don't want you to look at what they are doing.
Anyway as part of a democracy we all have a right to comment and object to what the government is doing so people will continue to do that.
New Years soon, about time for another change.org petition seeking a second referendum isn’t it?
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Despite all the BS and noise and the three silly preconditions - which were nearly sidestepped
Yes dear. The financial contribution precondition was neatly sidestepped by offering to pay what the EU are asking for, the Irish border precondition has been neatly sidestepped by agreeing to effectively remain part of the single market, the EU citizens condition was neatly sidestepped as part of the Irish border agreement. I'm sure you'll find people claiming that isn't the case, but as has been pointed out repeatedly on here, it was the only possible solution to the Irish border situation.
I for one shall be bitterly disappointed if Brexit goes smoothly and we all end up in Nivarna (not the band)
I want WTO, rampant inflation, de regulation of the labour market, removal of Health and Safety, £ € $ parity, £2 a litre petrol.. just so i can go "****ing told you"
Oh and i am going to buy a big red bus and paint it down both sides...
I plan to become Nigel Farages alter ego evil twin...
New Years soon, about time for another change.org petition seeking a second referendum isn’t it?
Why? You brexiters are doing the job of dismantling brexit for us.
So, to the Brexiteers: what about the demographics of the vote?
What if in ten years'time we have a big remain majority? Twenty? Would it still be right that we left?
he end - we start 2018 with trade negotiations on the agenda. About time too
No we don't. Trade negotiations are not on the agenda yet. More brexshit nonsense
Panic and revolution seems a likely as an England ashes test victory
Well said..... you are aware the ultimate pragmatist Cook is overnighting on 100?
"We will achieve a deal by the end of the year (in broad principle) although it will take a considerable period of transition."
And at the end of that process will the British economy be in a better position than if we were in the EU or worse ?
jambalaya - Member
Here’s to moving on in ‘18There seems little chance of that, possibly by 2022 but even then I doubt it
2022? Optimist.
The Brexies have guaranteed it will be at least a decade beyond that before we can start moving on properly.
The whole Brexshit process has been much steadier and less dramatic than the media would like people to believe
Moving at a glacial pace?
TOJ. Meant series victory!! 😉 good to see Cook making some runs though
Crank - worse.
So TJ what will they’ve discussing next? The weather, the draw for the Champions League, the price of rhubarb, how to restrict access to private education in Scotland? Or.....
[quote=teamhurtmore ]TOJ. Meant series victory!!
Of course - we're all well aware you never write what you mean.
Good. You are on a roll this morning aracer - I may or may not mean that
Equally good to see one of the chief architects of project fear - Lord Macfearson - now admitting that the economic impact should be limited and that we should be looking forwards not backwards. Even he has given up moaning.
So if London doesn’t get passporting or equivalence what sort of damage would it do ?
Or would it be eu based subsidiaries hoping future eu regs don’t change to thwart that approach.
Would this cause a decline in financial services In the U.K.
Or will another fudge be applied .
An Merry Christmas everyone 🙂
Even he has given up [s]moaning[/s] lying.
Uk firms all well prepared for both eventualities
EU ones less so
Main losers will be EU corporates but then the law of unintended consequences always rhrows up some interesting results. Are the EU really stupid? We shall see....
teamhurtmore - Member
Uk firms all well prepared for both eventualities
By having to spend large amounts setting up offices within the eu and moving functions and as a result employment opportunities out of the uk
Nope.
Done years ago. (2 exceptions)
job moves much more limited than fear merchants peddle - see ^
Compromise much more likely anyway as we have seen at each stage so far
Look forwards not backwards.
"Crank - worse"
So on the basis of a non binding referendum influenced by external meddling from foreign agents like Murdoch and misinformation, we have made a political decision that us bad for the country. Our politicians have not yet implemented that decision and given the majority of them felt it was a bad idea would be susceptible to changing course if they beloved the public mood had changed. Remind me again why it is undemocratic and unpatriotic to continue to argue and campaign to reverse the decision that you agree will be bad for the country ?
Less than feared is a good outcome? not a fear merchant but married to a director/ shareholder in a substantial City firm, the sort of person who hires and fires economists 😉
As repeatedly pointed out most people don't get any option about looking forward or preparing for brexit.
You missed out Russia and the tooth fairy
Did you miss the politicians vote? More emphatic than the referendum
You can argue as much as you like. The decision has been made and we are leaving. Up to you if you want to look forwards or backwards.
Democracy. An inconvenient fact.
On the contrary everyone has that option.
Double post
THM - you’ve seen the analysis that suggests the south of England and city are less exposed to a bad deal / no deal (there’s no real difference) or even a relatively good withdrawal from the EU that the UK a a whole?
There’s a dose of reality coming that I don’t think you really understand.
On the plus side I enjoyed reading Davis’s analysis. Anyone who’d prepared something like that for me would be undergoing a learning experience.
How exactly can I prepare for something that I don’t know about?
Having taken back control can I just import chocolate from Belgium without worrying about paying tax?
Or should I be looking at sourcing chocolate from China?
Our offices in the EU are large ones too. Never seen a brass plate on them either. But then again we look forwards and prepare
There’s a dose of reality coming that I don’t think you really understand.
Look forward to seeing it, if not experiencing it. So far, the doomsday merchants have been proved consistently wrong. The UK economy has surprised on the upside - despite being already late in current cycle - and the three hard and fast rules were all fudged to allow progress in trade to be made. Still too slow but all better than expected. The EU even talking about bespoke arrangements - well the grown ups at least
Forwards not backwards
As does Mrs Kilo's and this involves a movement of functions from the UK, have your employers had to do the same?teamhurtmore - Member
Our offices in the EU are large ones too. Never seen a brass plate on them either. But then again we look forwards and prepare
Privileged people in not caring about economic hardship shocker.
Not yet kilo. But we know what is required.
Businesses constantly adapt. My business has a completely different outlook for 2018 as a result of poorly thought ideas and change. But you can’t just moan. You adapt, survive and prosper. Well that’s our intention anyway. Look forwards....
Is an alternative if incorrect assessment grum
Preparing to adjust for economic change is another.
Look forward to seeing it, if not experiencing it
Sums THM up quite nicely I think.
Do you not get irony perdy?
Agreed. THM, you won’t experience it. It probably won’t make it as far as your bubble. You may not even see it - still there though. And it will still hurt a lot of people - mainly leave voters which is good, but not exclusively which is bad.
I will experience the same as everyone ie reality not doomsday
People can choose how they respond to that experience and how they seek to prepare for it
And it will still hurt a lot of people - mainly leave voters which is good
Wow. There’s a new IGM isn’t there
No you won’t. You’re well insulated. As to be fair am I.
It’s not doomsday - never was. It was and is a slow decline precipitatied by the Brexies, clung on to by Brextremists
As for choices, educated and/or affluent folk will have meaningful choices, not everyone.
On the contrary. I/we are in the thick of it.
Remoaners here are still presenting doomsday scenarios, lying about outcomes etc
There’s a new IGM isn’t there
Not really. Read back. I’m pretty consistent in terms of hoping to see leave voters hurt by this. They’ve been trying to wreck my children’s prospects for an unachievable dream of something that never was.
Of course I’m angry at them. It’s natural.
Well that’s not very pleasant is it?
I don't think THM realises that most of us here aren't decision makers in our organisations.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Our offices in the EU are large ones too. Never seen a brass plate on them either.
Well I'd expect Mittys to have large offices, surprised at the lack of brass though.
Everyone is a decision maker, every day. That’s just a cop out.
The UK economy has surprised on the upside -
But worse than north America and northern Europe.