[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Fisheries sectorial analysis, paragraph 36.

It must be made up.

This is a local country for local people

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I remember someone on here telling me civil servants were queuing up to join Davis’s department.
At the time my contacts were telling me a different story.

In the admittedly anti-Davis Independent today...

In total, there are 143 empty jobs, almost one in four of the posts at the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU), with economist, finance and project management jobs - as well as 81 policy roles - unfilled.
It comes after separate figures showed that the department is suffering from a high turnover of staff, with almost one in 10 moving on every three months - a turnover rate normally seen every 12 months in normally functioning Whitehall departments.
An astonishing 44 per cent of DExEU employees plan to leave within the next year, a civil service survey found, suggesting the recruitment crisis is set to worsen.

Well what do you know!

At the time my contacts were telling me a different story.

I remember echoing that. I know someone happy to be reporting directly to BoJo… in other circumstances that wouldn't be ideal… but anything is better than working in either of the new departments… better to stick with the FCO, no matter who is doing the [s]stirring[/s] figure-heading

Who of sound thinking would apply to work as an administrator in the brexit team, it's not really something you'd want on your CV lol!

Who of sound thinking would apply to work as an administrator in the brexit team, it's not really something you'd want on your CV lol!

I know one person who did move to DExEU - hefty promotion involved.

So the passport is going to be blue again.
BLUE. Same colour as the ****ing eu flag. ****s . Bobby Moore didn’t die on a bombing raid over Dresden in his spitfire so that the proud warriors of this nation have to be shackled to the yoke of eu oppression every time we have to leave our fair isle.
Time for the British Bullmogg to get the tanks on the street and restore some democracy to this country.

I always saw the maroon / burgundy as more of a British colour than navy anyway, but to be honest who cares either way. It could be red, blue, pink, rainbow, orange, anything.

It’s just a bit of paper you need to get across borders.

At one level, all passports are symbols of the oppression of freedom - bureaucrats telling you if you can or cannot pass from one bit of land to another.

How can this even be a news story let alone top billing?

It's on about the same level as much of the 'taking back control' guff that people voted for in their millions, so I don't see why it wouldn't be a fascinating development for that audience.

Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters.

It can be number 1 on the list of benefits from leaving the EU

(list now has it's first item, woohoo)

Perhaps we could make the passports smaller and a more faded colour to represent our loss of influence and freedom of movement?

Blue, you say?

Let's hope that we can reintroduce suitable categories, like in the good old days.

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Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters.

It can be number 1 on the list of benefits from leaving the EU

(list now has it's first item, woohoo)

Very much this!

When was it changed from blue to burgundy?

It's only a certain demographic that want this

Just another example of the Tories ignoring the youth to owner to the oldies!

Ironically it's old codger Corbyn who will gain from it again.

It can be number 1 on the list of benefits from leaving the EU

The UK could have done this without leaving the EU.

Will these new passports now 'qualify' you to stand in the non-EU queue at immigration along with the 'brown' people? Brexies will love that....

I'm wondering if there is some important news May is burying today as we rejoice in the blueness of our passports...

I am wondering why people are focusing so much on non news like passport colours. How trivial...

Meanwhile in Catalonia

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I am wondering why people are focusing so much on non news like passport colour

It’s about restoring our national identity, hurty. Nothing trivial about that, surely?

Will the new blue passports be the same impractical size as the old ones?

Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters.

Insults again. Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers. Did you read that Open Europe paper I posted ?

Enforcing Burgandy passport colour was just another example of pointless egotisitical meddling from the EU with a bit of subliminal encforcement of the Superstate message. Very Big Brother

Will the new blue passports be the same impractical size as the old ones?

Nope because they need to fit easily in the card readers / e-passport booths etc

TeamHurtmore don't mention Catalonia, the EU are doing all they can to avoid dealing with anything remotely difficult (like consequences of withdrawing aid for Mediterrainian migrant operation, kicking can down the road on the eurozone crises etc etc)

I'm going to get a maroon cover wallet when I end up with a blue passport, with a big **** off EU symbol on the front.

I am wondering why people are focusing so much on non news like passport colours. How trivial...

I think you know why!

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Enforcing Burgandy passport colour

"Enforced"?
Didn't happen.

Didn't happen

Bully.

"Yep, it will please a lot of the small minded brexiters"

Insults again.

Paranoia again. He selected a specific segment of brexiteers (small minded) and said it will please a lot of them, which i suspect it will. Seems like a reasonable statement.

Whereas yours

Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers.

seems to be a sweeping generalisation. SOME brexiteers may be more open minded and globally focused than SOME remainers, but equally some are hideous, small minded racists that would happily patrol the beaches to repel immigrants.

Losing our burgundy passports nicely symbolizes our loss of freedom of movement.

Catalonia ? The party with biggest number of seats want a devolved région, BUT still attached to Spain.
Maybe you should check your comments before posting.......

Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers.

Classic fake news tactics again.

Hit back against a perceived insult (that was actually aimed at a minority of Brexiteers) and then (with no trace of irony) post a counter statement that truly is a sweeping generalisation.

I can only assume that the alt-right meme generator is de-mob happy before Crimbo - Jamby losing the plot, ninfan basically giving up and becoming chewkw and even hurty letting his mask slip a bit.

Tut tut.

My BLACK passport from the days when I was a "British Subject: Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies"

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Enforcing Burgandy passport colour was just another example of pointless egotisitical meddling from the EU with a bit of subliminal encforcement of the Superstate message

Are you quite sure about your facts there?

The fact checking seems about as rigorous as the spell checking.

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Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers. Did you read that Open Europe paper I posted ?

Yes. But I missed the bit suggesting Brexies were open minded. Got a page reference?

TeamHurtmore don't mention Catalonia, the EU are doing all they can to avoid dealing with anything remotely difficult

that is certainly a thorny problem for the spanish, similar to one we have with the SNP successes in scotland. struggle to see what it has to do with the EU though. would you describe the SNP's popularity in scotland as something difficult for the EU to deal with?

You'll have to prize my EU passport out of my cold dead hand.
The 48 will rise again.
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So, £40billion for a blue passport, woopydoo

[quote=jambalaya ]Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers.

Hmm, I'm struggling to come up with an appropriate description of what that is, especially when it's been posted by somebody with such a long track record in honesty as you.

Oh sod it, [b]CITE[/b]

[quote=dannyh ](that was actually aimed at a minority of Brexiteers)

You think? The general impression I've got that it applies to more than just a simple majority. I suppose unless you're thinking that most Brexiteers haven't ever been abroad at all so don't care (hint to jamba - taking an annual trip to Majorca doesn't make people globally focused - yeah I know I'm stereotyping horribly here, but that applies to a significant minority of Brexiteers who do have passports).

@welshfarmer - yeah I was also confused with the talk of reverting to blue passports, my previous one was black. I'm not sure if people are even older than me, or not old enough to have ever had anything other than a burgundy one.

[quote=molgrips ]**** off EU

A somewhat surprising statement for you - clearly I've completely misjudged your sentiments on leaving the EU.

Think you may have missed Molgrips point somewhat aracer.

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I did have to read it twice though

Lol yes I hadn't realised how that could have been misread!

My BLACK passport from the days when I was a "British Subject: Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies"

@welshfarmer

Yep thats the colour I remember my dads being.

WTF this blue shit alll about ?

@aracer keep playing the man not the ball / issue. Are we legally aboe to change the passport cover colour and remove reference to European Union whilst still a member ?

The £40bn is the cost of being in the EU, 2 years of budget contributions(£20bn) to year end 2020 plus a load of stuff the Remain campaign and sucessive Governments hid from the electorate - another £20bn

The bitterness of Remainers here is quite stunning. When I am not posting you have to keep attacking someone, anyone even fellow Remainers. So over to them you go once more

[b]Democracy, a Brexit summary[/b]

Trigger A50 ?

Yes - 498
No - 114

Should we stay in Single Market ?

No - 315
Yes - 93

Should we stay in Customs Union ?

No - 320
Yes - 114

Will sarcasm detection operations be available, after Brexit, for democracy lovers who will retire abroad?

keep playing the man not the ball / issue...The bitterness of Remainers here is quite stunning. When I am not posting you have to keep attacking someone, anyone even fellow Remainers. So over to them you go once more

I love it when folk start of moaning about something and then end their post doing the thing they just moaned about...it needs it own internet law name as its very very common.

Passports were black I still have an old one it's all a load of bollocks - maybe we should have a red white and blue one...

Democracy, a Brexit summary

Trigger A50 ?

Yes - 498
No - 114

Should we stay in Single Market ?

No - 315
Yes - 93

Should we stay in Customs Union ?

No - 320
Yes - 114

Very succinct....but....

You still miss the point that democracy is not a once in a lifetime choice.

Considering how fing badly the argument was from both Leave & Remain - I think it's only right that Brexit is challenged envy single step of the bloody way.

PARTICULARLY when the current Gov are shabbily trying to do as much as they can behind closed doors.

Can you not, for the love of God, understand why when the Tories who are so widely despised that folks are pushing back as hard as they are???

Hoist that on board, try some bloody transparency & some honesty with your words & you might.....MIGHT....meet less resistance.

It's not bloody rocket science FFS.

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Democracy; a real world summary, not one controlled by career politicians following party orders.[/b]

% of population that want to remain in the EU now the truth is coming to light

51%

% that still want to leave

41%

[edit, thanks THM for spotting my mistype]

Democracy, a Brexit summary

Trigger A50 ?

Yes - 498
No - 114

Should we stay in Single Market ?

No - 315
Yes - 93

Should we stay in Customs Union ?

No - 320
Yes - 114

Labour MPs have been repeatedly whipped into abstention, to the point there's really no point in the labour party existing any more.

There's nothing democratic about that as the figures are completely unrepresentative.

I mean, why get involved with politics if you've got no intention of actually doing any politics?

The Labour Party are complete joke.

"In" 😯

The fact that the PM even mentioned the colour of passports is testament to how desperate she's becoming.

A. No one gives a damn what colour thier passport is.

B. We could always choose what ever colour we want anyway because (see point A).

And yet ^

And yet what? Contextless post is Contextless.

Despite A look at how much attention an irrelevant issue has got

Meanwhile in Poland

[quote=jambalaya ]@aracer keep playing the man not the ball / issue. Are we legally aboe to change the passport cover colour and remove reference to European Union whilst still a member ?

😆 the ex-pat defence - accuse those who challenge the accuracy of your comments of playing the man not the ball.

Yes we are able to legally change the passport cover colour whilst still a member of the EU. HTH

Meanwhile in Poland

Not sure what Poland has to do with brexit, but to humour you I'll say its apparent recent lurch to a right wing /authoritarian party is clearly a symptom rather than a cause.

Did they forget Hitler at the same pace that half the UK population did? I'd say yes.

Did they forget Hitler at the same pace that half the UK population did?

Yes we are able to legally change the passport cover colour whilst still a member of the EU. HTH

It's complete nonsense, even if an individual had a deep seated problem with the colour of thier passport, they could buy a cover for it, you can even get them in glitter.

Treesa missed a trick there, she should have announced the new colour would be British racing green.

Judging by the reparations bill they want to send to Germany, I'd say no.

Beautifuly flawed irony, Poland should probably call Alanis Morrisette and see if she can write a song about it.

bitterness of Remainers

Yep. I am bitter about the Brexies who chose to try and trash the country I live in.
However I will get my own back eventually.

I feel the knuckle dragging retards will get their own backs eventually.

Brexiteers far more open minded and globally focused than Remainers

Wait it wasn't all about immigrants ?

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Treesa missed a trick there, she should have announced the new colour would be British racing green.

Treesa green?

Anyway love the idea, traditional British colour and the DUP would go postal.

to be fair they were open minded enough to globally focus on anyone from Syria to Turkey to well any muslim country

He really has to be takign the piss as no one can actually believe that

Whist there was diversity in both camps its obvious which side had the racists, and those willing to play up to their fears including a vocal contributor on here. no one can think that no one.
I bet its do daft even THM does not want to try and ninfan is giving it a wide berth

I think it’s great that the brexit retards can have a blue passport that enables them to travel freely in one country. I only ask that I can keep my maroon one with access to 28.

the way it is going , blue passports are going to be the only Brexit success 😆

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Mine (and my boy’s). Unlike many Brexiteers, I don’t really give a shit about colour though.
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A new colour passport.

Well, the UK need not worry about the Brexit process heading into 2018.

As long as we tackle these difficult issues first.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-23/blue-passport-to-return-for-britons-after-brexit/9283800
I'm going to miss how the ABC down here deals with the big political issues by laying into the idiots.

Yep pretty much sums up U.K. plc Gov

Only thing they’ve managed to decide on it’s blue.

I don’t think there are words to describe this.

"Enforcing Burgandy passport colour was just another example of pointless egotisitical meddling from the EU with a bit of subliminal encforcement of the Superstate message. Very Big Brother"
No the belief the EU dictated the colour of our passports is an illustration of the total lack of factual knowledge held by the proponents of Brexit. Who are now crowing with joy over the fact May plans to change the colour back even though she has got the colour totally wrong.

I don’t think there are words to describe this.

Will I be able to get a natty burgundy cover for my blue passport?

No the belief the EU dictated the colour of our passports is an illustration of the total lack of factual knowledge held by the proponents of Brexit.

No need to exaggerate. I'm sure jamba will be along soon to accept that he made a mistake.

Hopefully the blue passports will be waterproof so the tears of the remoaners dont damage them when they are forced to renew their current eu ones.

This ^^^^^ is the level of argument Brexiters are reduced to because even they can’t bring themselves to try and justify something as tragic and pathetic as this.

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