[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Actually oob is wrong for several reasons,

approximately 768,685 km2 of land is actually habitable in Australia

http://37propertygroup.com.au/real-estate/population-density/

so rather than the 100x difference oob scarily claims UK is nearer to 12x denser populated than aus

There's a myth that Britain is overcrowded and it feeds in nicely to the Brexit propoganda and xenophobia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

That successive governments have underinvested in infrastructure is nothing to do with immigrants or the EU

There's a myth that Britain is overcrowded

Preffered level of crowded-ness is completely subjective.

The highlands are pretty empty OOB.

Good riding too.

The highlands are pretty empty OOB.

Good riding too.

Agree, and the sailing on the West Coast. Paradise.

Actually was that pop density for England rather than Britain?, in that case UK's would be much closer to Aus.

That deviant admits he hates Britain and wants to move to a country that has a far higher immigrant population than Britain so he can put anti immigrant stickers on his car nicely sums up Brexit !

And much worse (for non racists 😉 like him ) whose Muslim population is growing much faster than the UK's

deviant - Member

The EU are welcome to this dump, well everything sitting inside the m25 anyway.

It's a lost cause, anyone young enough save your money and leave....last time I was in Australia it was acceptable to have stickers in the back window of your car saying "f##k off, we're full"....that's my kind of country. In the UK the police would have you down for some kind of 'hate crime' or other made up nonsense.

Agreed

yes please go soon and get your dumb beer soaked brains bashed out while riding your MX bike by a genuine native with a boomerang 🙂

imigrant scum..

That deviant admits he hates Britain and wants to move to a country that has a far higher immigrant population than Britain so he can put anti immigrant stickers on his car nicely sums up Brexit !

And much worse (for non racists like him ) whose Muslim population is growing much faster than the UK's

So Occam's Razor says Deviant is neither a racist nor anti-immigration.

He is most certainly anti immigration and openly states that and more than once

He wants to be able to display stickers saying **** of we are full......do you really think this indicates support for immigration or any other number of statements he made that were equally clear

I have no idea how you could reach that conclusion

Whether he is racist is much harder to be sure about but its certainly a possibility.

Are there stickers for confused people who want to emigrate to a country full of migrants, yet [s]hate[/s] don't wish to meet any migrants?

London has a unique set of expertise - the very word that is used in most analysis

I had pretty much everything sorted to go in 2014, savings, house on the market with good equity, job offer with pay rise....already had my eye on the V8 Ute I was going to carry my MX bike around in...even the other half was dead keen, looked at some lovely villages about an hour outside Perth...wouldn't want to live in the actual city, that'd be like swapping one form of multicultural hell for another... Somewhere just far enough out for us discerning ex pats.
Perfect.

....then both our fathers started selfishly having heart problems and we made the decision to stick around for family reasons, at least long enough until they're cold in the ground....then we're off!

See ya suckers, enjoy sharia law, modesty zones for women, the rise of FGM, being taught an archaic middle east religion in a UK school (Actually all religions are guilty of that not just Islam but no thanks all the same), poke it, that's not the UK I grew up knowing. It's weird that I feel I have more in common with Aussies who left the UK several generations ago than I do with current leftie Brits....sad state of affairs we've sleepwalked into.

Now the acid attack capital of Europe, the honour beating and killing leader in Europe and all that tit in a suit Sadiq can talk about are non binary gender toilets...sums him up really, light weight politician with Freudian toilet fixation....should be in an asylum not a public office.

It’s a bit early to be on the sauce

Based on your ridiculous rant above, I think you will fit in well in Australia.

let me know when you go so we can come and wave you off.

I'll even bring samosas and some jerk chicken patties to sustain us while we watch.

I'll even bring samosas and some jerk chicken patties to sustain us while we watch.

Make sure they’re Halal. 🙂

wouldn't want to live in the actual city, that'd be like swapping one form of multicultural hell for another

I get the impression that youll find things to fear & be angry about wherever you live, but good luck!

swapping one form of multicultural hell

they have pretty awesome Pride marches in Aus, and they've just passed same sex marriage laws...good luck hun. 😉

let me know when you go so we can come and wave you off.

You won't be allowed to, your local Imam will have forced prayer time on you for the umpteenth time that day.

Can we crowd fund a one way ticket to Mars for the boy?
I think that might suit everyone - deviant included.

I do wonder if deviant is a typical Brexy. He’s not the only one on here to indicate their plans to have nothing to do with Britain.

To be fair though, he’s exactly the sort of character (may be put on of course) that I’ve been laughing at for the last year.

You won't be allowed to, your local Imam will have forced prayer time on you for the umpteenth time that day.

I'll happily make the time up another time for this most special of occasions.

Our local Imam is CofE (another of those middle eastern religions I suppose) but he does take the pews out of the church to hold a beer festival once a year.

Probably not relevant to Brexit. But a good use of a religious building.

You won't be allowed to, your local Imam will have forced prayer time on you for the umpteenth time that day.

Tbh it's important that people like deviant can express their bigoted, racist and hate inspired views, it means we know who they are.

That's because Britain is lost, my vote was a protest at how 'well' I thought the great multicultural experiment had done.

The plan was to try one last ditch effort to regain sovereignty and judicial powers, limit immigration, stop funding 3rd world EU member states etc...all valid reasons as far as I'm concerned....but my retirement won't be here....as already said it'll be in sunnier climes in a county where their navy still boards boats full of illegal immigrants and sends them back not welcomes them in with open arms....we've gone soft in this country, Australia's detention islands are a great idea....how many illegals do we lose in this country because we don't detain them, we just ask them to turn up at a police station each week!......yeah, that'll happen.

They is a glimmer of hope, 2016 showed that actually quite a lot of people (maybe even half?) don't actually agree with current political thinking and found a voice, being decried as racist is old now, Nazi is a new one but anyone with a brain can look at what the actual Nazis did versus just unpopular, untrendy viewpoints....we've had nearly 30 yrs of the left thinking everyone agrees with them, we didn't agree, we just kept quiet because the insult of racist could actually ruin a career....now people are happy to argue out of that and the police rarely press charges....no insults work anymore, it's been a well used tactic but it's easily taken apart by argument and that's what the left hate....they aim to equate speech with hate and violence so that it's acceptable for them to physically strike someone whose ideas they don't like....much easier than debating eh?
2016 was the year the left got found out and the right stopped being afraid of insults and started to argue back....oooh, the left really didn't like that.

Haha, f##k it, bring it on.

Honestly **** off and don't come to Australia we don't need more right wing nut jobs defending the country they stole and emigrated to as their own. We have a lot of progressive policies here but are still fighting the racist bigots who want to retire and return to the 50s they will die and a beautiful multicultural society will appear.

Can I just say that "the right" do not all think like this poor lost individual, far from it.
He is right though that his views are becoming mainstream, more openly held, and more popular.
He is far from alone.
The political agenda is being set by people who feel they need to answer the "concerns" he shares with many.

True and people who demand a free and open democracy by excluding those who disagree

Deviant - you won, we lost, get over it 😆

Oi

Oil?

To be fair guys, you’re being trolled. Stop feeding him.

I’m enjoying it.

Having read previous posts I'm not sure, fits in with his beliefs/hate system

the country they stole and emigrated to as their own.

ITYM "bringing the economic benifits of mass imigration"?

Before mass immigration Oz was an untouched wilderness. Mass imigration brought it massive economic wealth, got read of that economically worthless countryside and created cities and mining etc.

If the indigenous population don't like it they must be racists, blind to the benifits of immigration.

Or is that logic perhaps flawed and economic growth doesn't trump everything?

Maybe the indigenous population of Oz had a point. Maybe they liked their life as it was and didn't want it improved economically for perfectly good reasons?

I think Div struggles with the modern world.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/new-bike-94

ITYM "bringing the economic benifits of mass imigration"?

Before mass immigration Oz was an untouched wilderness. Mass imigration brought it massive economic wealth, got read of that economically worthless countryside and created cities and mining etc.

If the indigenous population don't like it they must be racists, blind to the benifits of immigration.

Or is that logic perhaps flawed and economic growth doesn't trump everything?

Maybe the indigenous population of Oz had a point. Maybe they liked their life as it was and didn't want it improved economically for perfectly good reasons?

I think that you think that was quite clever.

When migrants to the UK slaughter the indigenous population for a bounty while stealing the land and committing various atrocities like taking children from indigenous communities then you may have a point... Get back to us when you do

igm, would love to....i have far better things I should be doing but 2016 was genuinely interesting for once in political terms that it's hard not to view and comment on the fallout.

.....and with humourous observers like Gavin Mcguinness, Faith Goldy, Ben Shapiro, Lauren Southern all covering the same mainstream stories but with the lefty misty rose tinted lens taken off its interesting to see the true colors of people who say they believe in tolerance, free speech etc get all punchy and angry when their views are challenged....these are interesting times.

Milo Yianopoulis is good for a laugh too but Peter Hitchens tells it like it is....not a patch on his brother but Christopher was unique...Douglas Murrray is also brilliant particularly on Islam and why it doesn't integrate.....spend some work time on. YouTube, if it's good enough an MP and all that.....

When migrants to the UK slaughter the indigenous population for a bounty while stealing the land and committing various atrocities like taking children from indigenous communities then you may have a point... Get back to us when you do

Why shouldn't immigrants own land? ...and if the locals have no concept of ownership you can't buy it.

Which leaves killing. SO you're saying only bit of Europe's mass immigration into Austrailia/America you consider bad was the killing. If there had been no killing it would have been fine. Really?

Seriously OOB where are you going here with your massive cultural insensitivity?

Seriously OOB where are you going here with your massive cultural insensitivity?

You brought it up.

I'm not even sure you were being culturally insensitive. I think decendents of the indigenous populatin would think you had a point.

Not sure he did

Circular argument time igm, challenge is the same as bringing stuff up

Simple version what if your great grandparents were hunted and killed for money, is that happening in the UK now.

Well this escalated, will I need to murder someone and claim their land when I move to oz?

.....things have changed since 2014, sounds like the wild west now.

Deviant - finally something we can agree on. Interesting times indeed.

Also interesting that once again a Brexy has voted against the EU for nothing to do with the EU.

And just for your information, I am a very tolerant, egalitarian type, but no one ever called me nice. And sometimes the ends do justify the means.

Anyway good luck somewhere else and can you take a few of the other Brexy traitors with you. Chop chop now. 😉

Not sure he did

the country they stole and emigrated to as their own.

deviant - Member
Well this escalated, will I need to murder someone and claim their land when I move to oz?

igm, sadly I've got another 13 yrs at the coalface until I can retire....until a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England.

Honestly (and with some sadness) I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.

Quick edit for mikewsmith....i have no problem with that, sadly people coming into the UK don't want to abide by those common sense rules, that's why I'm not retiring in the UK
You won't notice I'm here, I'll buy a plot a few acres in size towards the south of Western Australia to escape the harshest of the summer heat, about an hour's drive to the beach, about an hour inland to lush MTB county and peace and quiet, bliss.

It's what we did in 2015 with Wales but already in that short period you can feel and see the area is getting bigger and busier...It'll do for now and the house was a real gem, picked up for 240k with land and stables....the estate agent that sold it to us swung by the other day to tell us he had a cash butat willing to go over 300k to get it...and as a bonus just before interest rates rose the other month I locked us down in a three year 1%-ish fixed rate deal....despite my moaning I'm actually quite a happy chap!

Once retired or over 40 your choir of destination will be severely limited unless you have significant investment resources. Suck it up princess you will be stuck in Wales.

You should try a killfile mike, unless you are admitting....

😀

I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.

Name one thing that you can't do now as a direct result of the Muslim population of this country growing a bit. Name one thing that has impacted your life because a woman you don't know chooses to wear a piece of cloth on her head, or (god forbid) across her face? One thing that you've been stopped doing by a man going to mosque.

deviant - Member

..my vote was a protest..

..such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.

hmmm.. 🙄

For some reason a poll that was conducted after the referendum comes to mind.

It looked at reasons for voting for Brexit. In the areas with the lowest number of immigrants do you know what the number one reason for voting leave was?

"I feel like a foreigner in my own country."

Deviant has a simpletons view on left and right, doesn't he?

a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day

A glorious day when a family member dies? What a charming person you are.

Anyway, you need to get back in your box as THM will be getting all huffy that someone else is stealing his limelight.

until a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall

I feel like a foreigner in my own country."

All those metropolitan PC types coming down and telling me i can't call paddies thick and go **** bashing at a weekend. not like it used to be!,

Once retired or over 40 your choir of destination will be severely limited unless you have significant investment resources. Suck it up princess you will be stuck in Wales.

Seemingly not, several of my colleagues, all registered paramedics, all over 40 (one was over 50), home owners in the UK have had no trouble getting into Australia.....couldn't take them quick enough, one of the services my colleague joined even got a Golden handshake of several thousand dollars to buy white goods with to kit out her new apartment...another one earns mega bucks doing fly in/fly out with an oil and gas company....this is what I'm talking about when I talk about good immigration vs bad immigration.....all of my colleagues have brought something of worth to Australia whether it be expertise in a specialist field, professional registration, equity in property and most importantly of all being working tax payers....they pay into the pot, they don't take handouts.

Apart from humanitarian refugees that's how immigration should be....what can you bring to the county?....nothing?....oh, see ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What can you bring?...oh you're a registered health care professional, of working age, and with equity from your property....come right in!

I'm not silly Mike, I'll come over when I'm still working, chunk of money from paying off my mortgage in the UK that I'd like to invest in oz please and they'll take me like they did in 2014....i'll just be 53 not not 37 like we planned.

It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England.

Honestly (and with some sadness) I can't think of a single thing I'll miss such has been the colossal cock up of this country during my adult life.

The UK has always been run badly. Learn some history.

sadly people coming into the UK don't want to abide by those common sense rules,

What the **** are you talking about?

You are not looking with an open mind I think. Perhaps Australia would suit you better. It sounds like the UK would be better off without you.

what can you bring to the county?....nothing?

What do you bring to this country? Unpleasantness and bigotry?

the country they stole and emigrated to as their own.

Fairly accurate and objective description of the British Empire there. Not particularly insensitive really.

Deviant needs to remember that immigrants in the UK are net contributors unlike the indigenous population.

Keep smiling

immigrants in the UK are net contributors unlike the indigenous population.

Forcing the work-shy to emmigrate and replacing them with productive immigrants. Increasing productivity and cultural diversity without increasing population density... A middle ground that keeps everyone happy. 😀

What do you bring to this country? Unpleasantness and bigotry?

You confuse my political leanings with my character.
I'm generous to a fault even when in debt myself, I'm fiercely loyal to friends and as my. Mother was one of nine children I have a lovely large family.
My grandmother was Guernsey French and had to evacuate from the Germans and my grandfather was Polish and had to escape the Nazis too.
Both immigrants, both intergrated into the village, both worked (no victim mentality with those two tough cookies) and both paid taxes....they were eternally grateful to the UK for taking them in and did all they could to be good citizens and pay the county back....it's not hard is it?....maybe I get my stance on. Immigration from them....it turns my stomach when someone arrives here and starts to demand a mosque to pray in, benefits because the wife doesn't speak English etc....how about a better use of that money to get her intro evening classes, speaking the language and then able to contribute to society....but I'mb going to massively generalise here and say the husband won't let her go to evening classes as she must run the house....huge generalisation over but I hope the point got across, some culture just isn't compatible with ours, some immigrants do all they can to integrate and become British, others are on the take.....don't believe me, there's a video of Macron in despair telling a Moroccan woman that he can't just issue French passports to anyone who wants one..about the only sense I've heard from him since he's been president...maybe, just maybe the leaders of Europe are starting to see that we don't have the infrastructure, schooling, heath, money etc for everyone that wants to come to Europe....god I hope so, Merkel's shenanigans the other year will haunt her for years.

It's not that I'm racist, or xenophobic....for me theres just two types of people in the world...those who work, and those who choose not to work (The disabled obviously get a pass on this)....i don't care if they're British or immigrant, if their idea of living here is claiming benefits and watching tv they can go to hell....whatever passport they have, it's a very nice simple view of things and helps me judge people very quickly because there is something inherently wrong with someone (British or foreigners) who think there is a bottomless pit and just want to take out of it.

So your problem is with people who don't want to work for a living, right?

Why do you think that immigrants fall into that category? How many immigrants do you know who want to come here just to watch TV and claim benefits? Really? Cos I think that is bollocks spread by the Daily Mail.

OoB - interesting. Will you stand for parliament on that ticket please? 8)

It'll be a glorious day, I may even book first class to travel away from this country that was once England

You do know that Wales is not England or perhaps, given the degree of ignorance otherwise displayed perhaps, you don't. More than happy to carry your cases back to the bridge if it would ease your exit.

OoB - interesting. Will you stand for parliament on that ticket please?

It was your idea, I was gonna vote for you!

But I insist...

.maybe I get my stance on. Immigration from them

I'mb going to massively generalise here and say the husband won't let her go to evening classes as she must run the house.

* the two bossiest women I know are both Muslims and the man is not wearing the pants in that home. How typical I dont know as I only know about 10 fairly well but my experience in the real word of oppressed women sheckled by the men is just DM ignorant BS. One may as well say all working class men get drunk and beat up their wives.

Immigrants are still net contributors unlike the Brits so you should actually love them - like your grandparents they dont come here to scrounge they come here to make a better life for them and their offspring

But I insist...

We could sub-contract the job of running for parliament on our ticket out to a Polish guy. He'd be more hard working than us and probably more effective.

You confuse my political leanings with my character.

a generous relative pops their clogs and I get a windfall.... It'll be a glorious day

Nope, don't think most people do.

In my case that’s more than likely to be true OoB.

.it turns my stomach when someone arrives here and starts to demand a mosque to pray in

has never happened, stop reading crap on t'internet, it's bad for your health.

no victim mentality with those two tough cookies

Also - are you suggesting that refugees who we allow to come here simply have a victim mentality? That is hugely harsh.

You seem to be saying that immigrants are bad except those who aren't? Well that's true of everyone, isn't it? I think you're making up people about whom to feel upset. Your real problem is swallowing right-wing bullshit and not understanding the reality of the situation.

Has anyone ever asked the state to provide a Mosque? Has the state ever provided one?

And what’s it got to do with the EU?

And are you also aware that Australia also has social problems and lots of immigrants?

There's a myth that Britain is overcrowded and it feeds in nicely to the Brexit propoganda and xenophobia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

That article is about the proportion of Britain that is built on. Its not about whether Britain is overcrowded.

Back to Brexit...

So if there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, we're still paying to be a member of the EU, and ECJ still has authority over EU citizens in the UK, won't this mean we are basically still in the EU in all but name???

How else can these things be achieved?

London has a unique set of expertise - the very word that is used in most analysis

Awesome. How exactly is it locked down so it can only exist in London?
I can name several geographical locations which used to have a "unique set of expertise" in one thing or another.

So if there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland ... How else can these things be achieved?

Total non-issue. All three sides agree they don't want a hard border.

Easy to acheive by just not putting any barriers or any building at the border. Most customs enforcement is intelligence lead. Most people will fill in the right forms online and pay the right duties. *If* either side wanted to do occasional random checks just do them 5 miles down the road. Not sure anyone will want to, though, it's not worth the effort.

It's not like there was ever a Berlin wall across the N/S Ireland border, you've always been able to walk across feilds from one side to the other. Really hard to imagine Southern Ireland saying "We're going to put up a wall, and the UK is going to pay for the wall."

So non-issue.

Mind you, I agree with your key point which is basically, "we aint leaving, and if we do leave it will be in name only".

I love it

David Davis is loking for litterally any excuse to get away from brexishambles!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/01/david-davis-threatens-to-quit-if-damian-green-sacked-unfairly