Which EU regulations need lifting off the shoulders of non-exporting businesses mefty?
I'd go further and ask, which EU regulations [i]that our MEPs voted against in the EU parliament[/i], need lifting off the shoulders of non-exporting businesses mefty?
(And my party frock is fine. Thank you for your concern 😀 )
Brexit is going to be the making of a new, modern and outward looking United Kingdom.
With lower corporation taxes, lower public spending and worse environmental protection laws?
I'd go further and ask, which EU regulations that our MEPs voted against in the EU parliament, need lifting off the shoulders of non-exporting businesses mefty?
Id go with none of it but it's always a good excuse. There was some antique of a wine bloke complaining that the eu and metric were stopping him selling a pint champagne bottle... Just like all those other things that are a pint measured in ml's
Running 2 different stand wise madness, developing internal UK standards is madness or if we just got some stickers done with a picture of the Queen on to cover the eu logo would that work? I think the post office sell them
There was some antique of a wine bloke complaining that the eu and metric were stopping him selling a pint champagne bottle
Like we had before we joined?
I buy milk in pints.
Why? We'd effectively be using two systems? Since at some time in the future that might want to be exported/used abroad. Any saving for some businesses would be offset massively by some having to fit into both regulations? That seems like the worst possible situation to me.
Potentially but only if there were significant gains to be made overall. It would be up to us to determine that though.
Which EU regulations need lifting off the shoulders of non-exporting businesses mefty?
No idea, ask them. Certainly there is plenty of finance stuff that achieves very little apart from generating costs to the consumer.
which EU regulations that our MEPs voted against in the EU parliament,
First, you need to check whether they even got a vote, the European Parliament is not nearly as powerful as most domestic parliaments. But I imagine some will vote for, some against.
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Brexit is going to be the making of a new, modern and outward looking United Kingdom.
With lower corporation taxes, lower public spending and worse environmental protection laws?
Not to forget our own laws for our own internal markets, which will be totally different to those anywhere else in the world. Presumably it's all the Remain voters jamba is hoping are going to make this new outward looking utopia, as "outward looking" doesn't appear to be a phrase which can be applied to most Brexiteers.
Like we had before we joined?
Yes, it was Churchill's preferred size of bottle.
mefty - Member
Excellent, none of you spotted the point because you are fixated with the EU. The vast majority of our trade is done with ourselves in our own internal market within our own borders. At present this has to comply with EU rules as we are in the EU, when we leave we can change this.
oh super! we're bringing back the kite mark so that manufacturers can now look at another set of regulations to see how their products can be made to conform. or we can chase manufacturers in other parts of the world to see if their products conform to bsi (for the sake of argument) standards so we can sell them in this country without being prosecuted.
excellent. so, sparkies can go back to using cabling the colour blind can't differentiate and rest of us can go back to measuring shit in cubits.
you're right, i had missed the point.
Didn't most managers of big businesses vote remain? Even though they are the ones who have to fund regulatory compliance?
The vast majority of our trade is done with ourselves in our own internal market within our own borders. At present this has to comply with EU rules as we are in the EU, when we leave we can change this.
Lol.. so we get the cheap shit and the good stuff goes for export? Brilliant!
Will we stop seeing that "CE" mark on the back of stuff?
Will we have to make up our own CE mark equivalent, and then anyone wanting to sell stuff here (e.g. the Chinese, Americans, etc) will need certification done for both?
Lots of stuff will just end not being sold in one market or the other as it will be too much cost to do both certifications.
Or will we just adopt CE certification wholesale, in which case the whole regulation thing above will be utter rubbish.
Didn't most managers of big businesses vote remain? Even though they are the ones who have to fund regulatory compliance?
Big businesses can also beneifit, as regulation creates a barrier to entry.
Lol.. so we get the cheap shit and the good stuff goes for export? Brilliant!
Lol - no, not necessarily, just get same stuff cheaper because lower regulatory cost.
i have only been in the UK since 1996 , what wonderful things have I been missing out because of EU regulations ?
I like my local Aldi. Will they have to leave?
Lol - no, not necessarily, just get same stuff cheaper because lower regulatory cost.
Though nobody can name the ones that they are or the cost of running 2 compliance systems or taking the time to re write EU standards etc. the banking ones are interesting as to their purpose, how much of the PITA is to do with stopping further problems
Lol - no, not necessarily, just get same stuff cheaper because lower regulatory cost.
How does that work then?
A Global outlook for Britain. Another outstanding speech today from Prime Minister May. An advocate for free trade, for social responsibility and for the politics of the centre ground to deliver the change people want
no indicators on cars ?
An advocate for free trade, for social responsibility and for the politics of the centre ground to deliver the change people want
What concessions is she willing to give to get free trade?
Nope, Brexit is going to be the making of a new, modern and outward looking United Kingdom. One which is going to be more successful as a result.
Yup, I want what you're smoking Jamby.
Currently what's on offer appears to be some incompatible hybrid of protectionist xenophobia and a level of corporate capitalism even the USA would baulk at
social responsability ?
as long as they dont try to get into the UK .
Remind me what Mr May does for a living again??
No idea, ask them. Certainly there is plenty of finance stuff that achieves very little apart from generating costs to the consumer
List me a few.
Lets start shall we....
That ridiculous ruling making mobile use across borders a sensible price, good to see that gone.
Nope, Brexit is going to be the making of a new, modern and outward looking United Kingdom.
Outward looking how? With fewer trade deals, scrabbling around to try and replace those we're throwing away?
By reducing trade with our neighbours, and stopping them from working with us in our factories, labs and offices?
We're going to be looking outward in the same way that folk do at Broadmoor.
How does that work then?
A simple example would be say under current EU regulations you have to have records of 20 client details to make a sale/provide a service, we could decide 10 are sufficient. Less time is spent getting the customer details, which means it costs less to do and that client is cheaper to provide the service or product to.
Do you guys all punch the air when your companies bring in more admin?
No idea, ask them. Certainly there is plenty of finance stuff that achieves very little apart from generating costs to the consumer
Pensions mis-selling
PPI mis-selling
Mortgage mis-selling
Barings collapse
Gigantic costs to consumers. But nothing to do with the EU.
A simple example would be say under current EU regulations you have to have records of 20 client details to make a sale/provide a service,
But... you have a computer right? At least one of them anyway? Try doing this:
#define MAX_CLIENT_DETAILS 20See, not that hard.
A simple example would be say under current EU regulations you have to have records of 20 client details to make a sale/provide a service, we could decide 10 are sufficient.
So what are the reasons behind needing 20? Why would 10 be better? What if we decide 18 are good.
Do you guys all punch the air when you companies bring in more admin?
I generally prefer to ask, find out the reasons and then make up my mind. Though I have worked with people who simply find asking or reading the reasoning too hard and just complain about pointless things getting in the way (like health and safety law)
So basically we might have 1 possible example but as we have no context as to why 20 are asked for and what that does to protect people or increase the level of service or reduce things like misselling which the financial industries used to specialise in then we probably can't make up our minds.
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Parties don't vote. People do. So if they vote for something that is stupid, who is responsible?
That's simply not true. People don't vote for things, they vote for representatives. Those representatives (in parties) then make decisions. Are you new to democracy?
i have only been in the UK since 1996 , what wonderful things have I been missing out because of EU regulations ?
Buying sweets in ounces, I think.
A simple example would be say under current EU regulations you have to have records of 20 client details to make a sale/provide a service, we could decide 10 are sufficient. Less time is spent getting the customer details, which means it costs less to do and that client is cheaper to provide the service or product to
Or how about leaving the customs union and having to fill out custom documentation, plus all the related VAT claims, duties and rebates on all sales? surely all that extra paperwork will be saving loads of time and money.
^^^ 😆 That is good. Very good.mefty - Member
Do you guys all punch the air when your companies bring in more admin?
A simple example would be say under current EU regulations you have to have records of 20 client details to make a sale/provide a service, we could decide 10 are sufficient. Less time is spent getting the customer details, which means it costs less to do and that client is cheaper to provide the service or product to.
But why did the EU decide on 20? Just to piss us off? Or was there a real reason? Why does that reason no longer apply? What if 10 isn't enough?
Well Theresa May appears to have changed her tune since April last year...
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38653681 ]April 2016 to now...[/url]
I'm still hoping she's a remainer and she's secretly putting in the most extreme scenario she can plausibly get away with, which will most likely satisfy as few people as possible in order to generate as much protest as possible, leading to the electorate demanding another vote... it would come at the cost of her political career so it's a hopeful hope I agree... but the alternative scenario is she's gone utterly bonkers...
I don't know but the industry I work in means that reducing admin overhead usually amounts to thisBut why did the EU decide on 20? Just to piss us off? Or was there a real reason? Why does that reason no longer apply? What if 10 isn't enough?
kind of thing.Pensions mis-selling
PPI mis-selling
Mortgage mis-selling
List me a few.
KYC is the obvious one, how much are we really gaining compared to the huge costs incurred.
MIFID2 is going to cost billions, there are some sensible changes, but there is a huge additional amount of work that needs to be done for little real benefit. Many of the benefits could be achieved with far less prescriptive record and data keeping.
^^^ agreed.
Currently what's on offer appears to be some incompatible hybrid of protectionist xenophobia and a level of corporate capitalism even the USA would baulk at
Zokes why don't you spend 25 mins and listen to May's speech ? Why don't you see a Brexit Britain in the same way you see Australia who may be in Eurovision but are not in the EU
You mean we're still going to be in Eurovision?
**** that. I wish I'd voted Remain now!
What is wrong with KYC?
Is the post EU plan for London to return to being the money launderer of the world?
ah I have the transcript here
And those parties — who embrace the politics of division and despair; who offer easy answers; who claim to understand people’s problems and always know what and who to blame — feed off something else too: the sense among the public that mainstream political and business leaders have failed to comprehend their legitimate concerns for too long.
Would that include UKIP and Leave? They certainly played on division and despair.
And I want to explain how, as we do so, the United Kingdom — a country that has so often been at the forefront of economic and social change — will step up to a new leadership role as the strongest and most forceful advocate for business, free markets and free trade anywhere in the world.
By running away from europe
Let us not underestimate the magnitude of that decision. It means Britain must face up to a period of momentous change. It means we must go through a tough negotiation and forge a new role for ourselves in the world. It means accepting that the road ahead will be uncertain at times, but believing that it leads towards a brighter future for our country’s children, and grandchildren too.So while it would have been easy for the British people to shy away from taking such a path, they fixed their eyes on that brighter future and chose a bold, ambitious course instead.
They chose to build a truly Global Britain.
Truly global by retreating from the loargest trading block in the world, wanting strict immigration control and what would appear to be demands for more protectionist policies.
It was simply a vote to restore, as we see it, our parliamentary democracy and national self-determination. A vote to take control and make decisions for ourselves.
Demonstrated by her speed at going to the courts to be able to avoid the legal and democtratic process of the UK's democracy - classy
So at the heart of the plan I set out earlier this week, is a determination to pursue a bold and ambitious Free Trade Agreement between the UK and the European Union. But, more than that, we seek the freedom to strike new trade deals with old friends and new allies right around the world as well.
Didn't we have one alreeady?
I am pleased that we have already started discussions on future trade ties with countries like Australia, New Zealand and India. While countries including China, Brazil, and the Gulf States have already expressed their interest in striking trade deals with us.
Are some of those places where the Eu is already negotiating deals that we would have got anyway?
To use this moment to provide responsive, responsible leadership that will bring the benefits of free trade to every corner of the world; that will lift millions more out of poverty and towards prosperity; and that will deliver security, prosperity and belonging for all of our people.
But no clue as to how....
So basically it's still just ideology around the EU, very little of what she wants couldn't have been achieved within the EU and it just adds another level of complexity as now the UK needs to deal with the EU differently and all the countries the EU had deals with differently.
As for the Australian comparison I reckon we wouldn't mind some of the EU benifits like trade.
will step up to a new leadership role as the strongest and most forceful advocate for business, free markets and free trade anywhere in the world.
Anyone else think that sounds a lot like exploitation?
As mike says - a lot of wishful thinking and very little actual plan.
I have a plan to retire by the time I'm 40. Yay me! I'm successful!
So what are the reasons behind needing 20? Why would 10 be better? What if we decide 18 are good.
We implement 18, you are struggling with this, aren't you?
Or how about leaving the customs union and having to fill out custom documentation, plus all the related VAT claims, duties and rebates on all sales? surely all that extra paperwork will be saving loads of time and money.
No of course it won't, it has the potential to be costly for both sides, so hopefully we can find a compromise. There will almost certainly be some cost increase. But these sort of issues has been widely discussed on here.
By starting this train off, I was trying to correct the common misconception that as the majority of our trade would still be with the EU we would still, de facto, be bound by their rules. I wanted to highlight how this doesn't need to be the case.
We implement 18, you are struggling with this, aren't you?
Not at all, you want to change something collect the evidence, present it and prove why it's a good change. You picked that one out as an example and came up with a magic figure of 10. The EU isn't like a school where you just do what you are told it's a place where people can work together to make things better. The assumption seems to be that we can't influence EU rules/laws. Our MEP's have some of the lowest attendance rates in the EU (The only one worse had a guy ill with cancer I think for the year)
By starting this train off, I was trying to correct the common misconception that as the majority of our trade would still be with the EU we would still, de facto, be bound by their rules. I wanted to highlight how this doesn't need to be the case.
Of course what you have proposed is a multi layered approach where by to deal with the EU in any form you would need to do all the UK regs plus any Eu ones. Also failing to really come up with this massive list of things that are wrong with the EU ones and ignoring the fact the UK had a hand in shaping these (when it could be bothered)
It is not up to me, I am a mere peon. But it will be up to our own government and they will carry out a very thorough review. We have far more influence over our own government than the EU.
I don't accept it needs to be muli-tiered, particularly if you take a subset approach. But even I did, something like 75% of businesses don't trade out side the UK so the ones who are worse off are far fewer than the ones who gain.