@Cougar:
Oh, wait, is this a "we didn't have a referendum last time" comment? I know very little about how we joined as I wasn't born.
you hadn't been born in 1993? Always figured you were a lot older.
mefty 😉
Isn't it 87% of our economic activity is internal, something like that it came up a few times inc at a Vote Leave speech I went to with a local businessman who was fed up with complying with irrelevant legislation when only selling domestically
mrlebowski - Member
Wiki link..
Yep you lot like to buy more stuff from EU than the other way round. UK is buying 50% or more from many of the EU nations with the exception of Greece.
Like I said many threads ago you lot are cash cows ... 😛
Let me get this right so how does this work if we buy 50% less from some of the EU nations? So EU bureaucrats want to threaten UK ... hhmm ... something is funny. 😀
Ya, Swiss & Norway two insignificant countries in the world. They are practically bullied into abiding by the EU standards. You want to compare them to UK? 😯kimbers - Member
but majority of our trade is with Europe & swiss & norway out of EU still abide by EU standards
Germans haven't built new hostels they have converted or rennovated old buildings in many cases. Also they are not generally setup to be permanent homes.
@Del €30,000-40,000 per person per year is a reasonable estimate imo. Also deporting people who have failed in their application is expensive not least as it tends to be challenged by the country of citizenship. Cost of language classes alone was €3bn.
Completely incorrect, the majority of our trade is not with the EU.
So which other trade block or country do we trade with more than the EU then?
[url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_United_Kingdom ]We do almost as much trade with the EU as we do with the entire rest of the (non-EU) world.[/url]
And the rest of non-EU is not a single trade block with agreed common standards (which was the point of the post in response to welshfarmer's point).
America is the only trade partner that comes close and that's still less than a quarter of the trade we do with the EU.
UK is buying 50% or more from many of the EU nations
And also selling 44% of our exports there.
you hadn't been born in 1993? Always figured you were a lot older.
The EEC not the EU, I thought that's what he was alluding to. Pedant.
Graham S it is sometimes a good idea to continue reading.
GrahamS - Member
UK is buying 50% or more from many of the EU nations
And also selling 44% of our exports there.
hmmm ... Let's take an example ... OECD source ...
The [u]top export destinations of Germany[/u] are the
[b]United States ($121B) (Positive for Germany)[/b]
France ($119B)(Positive for Germany)
[b]the United Kingdom ($100B)(Positive for Germany)[/b]
China ($96.7B) (Negative for Germany)
the Netherlands ($85B)(Negative for Germany)
The [u]top import origins[/u] are
the Netherlands ($113B),
China ($101B)
France ($85.4B)
the United States ($61.6B) and
Italy ($61.3B)
I see problems ... 😛
Graham S it is sometimes a good idea to continue reading.
You replied while I was typing. Yes, okay, we do more trade with ourselves.
So is that the plan then? Total isolationism? Just rely on internal trade and screw the rest of the world. That'll work well!
hmmm ... Let's take an example ... OECD source ...
...
I see problems ...
As is often the case your post is so obtuse that I have no real idea what the point is that you are trying to make? Germany exports $21billion more to the US than to us?
GrahamS - Member
hmmm ... Let's take an example ... OECD source ...
I see problems ...
As is often the case your post is so obtuse that I have no real idea what the point is that you are trying to make? Germany exports $21billion more to the US than to us?
I wonder how EU will impose on UK when their strongest EU economy nation has so much interest in UK & US ... 😆
So is that the plan then? Total isolationism? Just rely on internal trade and screw the rest of the world. That'll work well!
That's the daftest thing I read here Mefty. My business, and most of the business we deal with, would be totally buggered, the percentage of UK made stuff we sell or distribute is about 1%. Not only that, in my industry, virtually nothing is UK made, so we cannot even alter our buying.
[quote=jambalaya ]a local businessman who was fed up with complying with irrelevant legislation when only selling domestically
Yeah, all that pesky regulation forcing businesses to make things which are safe and not allowing them to screw the consumer. Clearly we'd be far better off without that.
[quote=Cougar ][s]The EEC not the EU, I thought that's what he was alluding to.[/s] Pedant.
Why not just condense any response to ninfan to the essentials? For those who can be bothered to respond to him.
Of course for the smart arse Brexies pointing out that large amounts of trade are domestic, news just in...
This week that is also EU trade.
May was saying very interesting things in Davos. Sounds like Brexit will be good for rich folk generally and bad for poor UK folk, but good for poor folk globally if what she means what she says. (She doesn't of course).
I wonder how EU will impose on UK when their strongest EU economy nation has so much interest in UK & US ...
Ah I see, so your back to the old [i]"they have more to lose than us"[/i] argument eh?
The UK is Germany's third largest export country.
And Germany is the UK's second largest export country.
Seems like a pretty good reason to be in some kind of free market agreement with them.
Seems like a pretty good reason to be in some kind of free market agreement with them.
Am I misremembering, or did the UK [i]invent [/i]the Single Market in the first place?
Sounds like Brexit will be good for rich folk generally and bad for poor UK folk,
and....
For those who can be bothered to respond to him
Anyone would think that you didn't like anyone reminding you about the reality, that while the remainders now jump up and down whinging about lies and democracy, they never cared much about it when they were getting what they wanted
and....
Well, I'm broke, for a start.
Solidarity, brother.
the remainders now jump up and down whinging about lies and democracy, they never cared much about it when they were getting what they wanted
What lies and lack of democracy were we unconcerned about?
The ones that took us in.
Corbyn signals his MPs will be instructed to vote to start EU divorce after expected loss of government’s supreme court challenge
Corbyn signals his MPs will be instructed to vote to start EU divorce after expected loss of government’s supreme court challenge
He'll have changed his mind at least a dozen times before anybody votes on anything.
What lies and lack of democracy were we unconcerned about?
We could control immigration
We can influence reform of the EU in the direction we want
The European Parliament is a legislative body
The UK had a strong voice within the EU
The renegotiation was a good deal
There would be a global recession if we left the EU
The UK would be plunged into financial Armageddon if we voted Leave
ninfan - Member
The ones that took us in.
Nope. Don't remember them.
THM - the "and" is that the poor northerners that certain Brexies on here claim to care about so much and understand so well (I think because they once had a sandwich in Watford Gap services) are about to be sold down the river according to May's speech on globalisation.
a local businessman who was fed up with complying with irrelevant legislation when only selling domestically
I wonder how many will be disappointed by the lack of change (see welshfarmer's example)?
The ones that took us in.
Care to expand on that?
jambalaya - Member
We could control immigration
We can influence reform of the EU in the direction we want
The European Parliament is a legislative body
The UK had a strong voice within the EU
The renegotiation was a good deal
There would be a global recession if we left the EU
The UK would be plunged into financial Armageddon if we voted Leave
Most of those were and are true with the possible exception of the last two which we don't know because we haven't left yet.
Jamba, you know that you lot are wrecking Britain in the name of nationalism - sovereignty if you prefer. Please will you just have the courage to be honest about it. You look like you will get your way. Britain will be "sovereign" (actually it always was) - but it won't really be Britain any more will it?
IGM - why did they vote for Brexshit then?
The ones that took us in.
Such as?
We could control immigration
We can and do.
We can influence reform of the EU in the direction we want
We can and do in so far is it's "infuence" rather than "get our own way every time."
The European Parliament is a legislative body
Dunno about that. Is it not?
The UK had a strong voice within the EU
It does. 12% didn't we agree?
The renegotiation was a good deal
Which renegotiation / in what way wasn't it?
There would be a global recession if we left the EU
We're talking about joining the EEC, not leaving the EU.
The UK would be plunged into financial Armageddon if we voted Leave
a) it probably will, though "failing to predict the future" and "lie" are not synonyms, b) we already were, and c) see the previous point.
Are you answering a different question?
And how about the lack of democracy. Anyone?
IGM - why did they vote for Brexshit then?
You're a bright lad, you know exactly why.
[I]Am I misremembering, or did the UK invent the Single Market in the first place? [/I]
Mrs T?
Mrs T?
Was it? Dunno, it's a vague spark of memory with nothing to back it up. I thought it was earlier though.
Nearly everything important about the European institutions, that we are a signed up to, is down to Brits, but hey, "no influence", is what the foreign controlled papers say, it must be true. The bits that weren't down to Brits, we stayed out of. So. We basically got the whole of Europe to do as we say, and whenever they had ideas we thought just weren't cricket, we just opted out of the bits that weren't our idea. And now we're leaving behind the systems, courts, advantages, controls and benefits we created.
[quote=ninfan ]Anyone would think that you didn't like anyone reminding you about the reality, that while the remainders now jump up and down whinging about lies and democracy, they never cared much about it when they were getting what they wanted
The substance (what there is of it) of your post has already been covered by others - though I note it's the Brexiteers who appear to be totally divorced from the reality of what is happening and going to happen to the UK economy (because foreigners). Oh, and if we're doing democracy, why are the Brexiteers so bothered about the court case which is going to rule in favour of democracy, and against another referendum which would also be beneficial for democracy?
Though what is actually rather tiresome is the way you'll inevitably pedant on your pet subjects, as if by pointing out the difference between racism and xenophobia or that the EU has evolved (most things do, though it's clearly an alien concept to you) you're somehow winning the argument.
THM - why did they vote Brexy? Don't know but here's something unrelated. 😉
I'm not from northern England and I'm not one of May's JAMs but working in Castleford for 20 years probably gives me a little insight into one ex-industrial (coal mainly) town in England.
Or at least an observation. In Castleford you used to see National Front posters freely displayed in people's windows around election time. Not everyone by any means - but they were there. They have been replaced with UKIP posters in the same windows.
I leave folk to draw their own conclusions.
That's the daftest thing I read here Mefty.
That's a pretty stiff competition and although lots of stupid things have been said on this thread. However, I would agree it is pretty daft, which is why I am jolly glad I didn't say it. Graham suggested a false implication of what I said, probably because I rumpled his party frock.
Anyway, the point I made is that an awful of business is UK only and therefore we can potentially redesign our regulatory system for them, if we wish, they won't need to be bound by EU rules. The other businesses that trade wit the EU will continue to meet EU rules as they do now.
Like anything, you need to do a cost/benefit analysis for regulation, it costs real money, the KYC in the City has gone completely mad and that delivers very little value.
So what are we saying? Are you saying that your neightbours are incapable of rational decisions? If so, should they have been excluded from the process and on what criteria. If not, what responsibility should they bear for the freely taken decisions: 0%; 20%; 50%; 80%; 100%?
(Mefty - perhaps we both know from experience? - KYC is often little more than a box-ticking exercise. Just pay someone a few £000 for an open-source check.)
teamhurtmore - Member
So what are we saying? Are you saying that your neightbours are incapable of rational decisions? If so, should they have been excluded from the process and on what criteria. If not, what responsibility should they bear for the freely taken decisions: 0%; 20%; 50%; 80%; 100%?
Is that to me? If it is, then no I'm not saying any of that, nor am I saying the opposite.
You asked me why people voted a certain way and I'm merely commenting on the fortunes of some of our career politicians' parties.
Parties don't vote. People do. So if they vote for something that is stupid, who is responsible?
Anyway, the point I made is that an awful of business is UK only and therefore we can potentially redesign our regulatory system for them, if we wish, they won't need to be bound by EU rules
Which EU regulations need lifting off the shoulders of non-exporting businesses mefty?
THM - I'm not disagreeing. If I read your line properly I think I probably agree. But it is for others to make their own mind up on this one.
But another observation. You are correct parties don't vote, people do - but those parties are made up of and supported by people. And it was people indicating their support and beliefs that put those posters in those windows. And trusted that those windows wouldn't be panned in.
Anyway, the point I made is that an awful of business is UK only and therefore we can potentially redesign our regulatory system for them, if we wish, they won't need to be bound by EU rules
The cool thing about this is that consumers then won't be able to buy equivalent products from outside the UK, as they won't conform; they'll be locked in to local manufacturers!
Yeah! Go Ripoff Britain!
And a bonanza for lobbyists/
So long as we don't have a Little British Standard for beer, wine and cheese - I quite like the foreign stuff.
GrahamS - Member
I wonder how EU will impose on UK when their strongest EU economy nation has so much interest in UK & US ...
Ah I see, so your back to the old "they have more to lose than us" argument eh?
The UK is Germany's third largest export country.
And Germany is the UK's second largest export country.
No, no trust me we are stronger because the EU nations still have the EU bureaucrats tightening the noose on themselves. They are no longer flexible but restricted by themselves (EU bureaucrats) so cannibalising each member states while UK is out to seek the ways all over the world. Freedoommm!
Seems like a pretty good reason to be in some kind of free market agreement with them.
Yes, free market is fine so long as they comply with our terms. i.e. trading terms only so none of those silly political terms.
Anyway, the point I made is that an awful of business is UK only and therefore we can potentially redesign our regulatory system for them, if we wish, they won't need to be bound by EU rules. The other businesses that trade wit the EU will continue to meet EU rules as they do now.
Why? We'd effectively be using two systems? Since at some time in the future that might want to be exported/used abroad. Any saving for some businesses would be offset massively by some having to fit into both regulations? That seems like the worst possible situation to me.
Why did we vote Leave ? Dominic Rabb at Davos
Jamba, you know that you lot are wrecking Britain in the name of nationalism - sovereignty if you prefer.
Nope, Brexit is going to be the making of a new, modern and outward looking United Kingdom. One which is going to be more successful as a result.
