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http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41875853
TV firms may have to move some operations abroad if there is no Brexit trade deal, the body for international broadcasters in the UK has warned.
It says thousands of jobs could potentially be at stake in the event of a "hard " Brexit, where the UK leaves the EU with no formal trade agreement.
The Commercial Broadcasters Association (COBA) speaks for media networks such as Eurosport, Disney and Discovery.
The government says it "will work to get the right deal for broadcasters".
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41865046
Current Brexit negotiations resemble "a prime-time soap opera", the president of the CBI will say on Monday.
Paul Drechsler will tell the lobby group's annual conference it is time for government and business to unite behind "a clear strategy".
This new approach is needed to protect the UK's economy, he will say.
Research conducted by the CBI suggests 60% of firms will trigger contingency plans by the end of March 2018, if no transition deal is agreed by then.
Good news all around
Stop being so negative.....
Once we’ve taken back control will be able to err...
in control as always
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It's bonus points if you leave your dead burnt hands on the wheel when they find the wreckage.
THM and his mates Banks, Fox etc. must be so pleased ........
What a silly comment
and the CBI THM?
The CBI are traitors and Enemies of the People!
And once we’ve taken back control, they’ll be tried for un-British thought crimes!
.... if we’ve still got an extradition treaty with the EU, so we can get them back from Frankfurt and Paris
Dont you repeatedly say and show you treat this thread as a place for silliness?What a silly comment
It really not like you to complain when folk do what you do .
I agree with CBI.
I have never been on the side of Banks not Fox, hence a silly comment. Very silly.
Protests too much....
Versus posts BS
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Nice little summary of the just use WTO options
"It is perfectly fine for the UK to leave and trade with [the EU] as we trade with the rest of the world at the moment, under world trade rules," said MP John Redwood on 19 October.
"Even if we leave [the EU] without a deal, we still get most favoured nation status under WTO rules, which is how we trade with the rest of the world," said MP Bernard Jenkin MP on 17 January.
Reality Check verdict: This is wrong, the UK trades with only 24 countries under WTO rules only. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, agreements either fully or partly in place which enable trade on better terms.
But who else is just WTO?
If you look at the WTO database which lists all regional trade agreements, there is nothing for Mauritania. That's led some to suggest Mauritania is the only member to trade solely on WTO rules.
However, according to the WTO, Mauritania has joined the Economic Community of West African States, and it has preferential trade arrangements with some 20 WTO members.
There are some countries which aren't WTO members, including Algeria, Serbia and North Korea, but the WTO says all of its members have some sort of bilateral or regional trade agreement in place.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41859691
Happy Monday Chaps
UK-EU supply chains begin to break amid Brexit trade fears
https://www.ft.com/content/eef9846a-c0bf-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6
Contracts for post March 19 supply getting renegotiated now - and moving to inside the single market.
Project Fear eh?
All the EU have to do is sit on their hands, gain the business, and watch this unravel.
All the EU have to do is sit on their hands, gain the business, and watch this unravel.
Fundamentally it is in the interests of the EU to do nothing, not to help the UK. If as some keep pointing out, the EU has a problem with unemployment, obvious solution is to assist businesses willing to relocate to within the EU who can offer job opportunities.
Why help maintain a supply chain involving the UK when a supplier in Spain or Greece for example could be used in stead?
Now in the complete absence of a UK plan the EU can sit back and allow the UK to slit its throat. We lose they win. Nothing personal just good business.
Corbyn getting a bigger round of applause at the CBI than May.....
Brexit is interesting times
Aha!
It's like the last days of Rome
Isn't it one of the strongest virtues to admit when you're wrong, and put forward a plan to make things better?
The entire world is watching us turn the UK into a 3rd world dictatorship, and the government is too proud/self interested to back down.
They have the wafer thin backing of popular media, because they are paid to comply.
It's a very novel situation, and will probably feature as a case study on how not to run a country in years to come.
mattyfez - with the media its the other way round. 80% of the UK press are owner by 5 non uk resident far right idiots who want us out of the EU so they can turn it into a deregulated low protection low tax haven.
the whole out of the EU thing was driven by these 5 men.
That's kinda what I was alluding to, our now 'sovereign nation' is now more at the whim of international business interests than it ever was.
And our 'patriotic' 'governors' have a vested interest in keeping it that way.
it dirty desmond, the dirty digger and the barclay brothers who are driving this and have been for 20 years. all the nonsense stories about the EU come from them. Its been their aim to drive us out of the EU for that time
the whole out of the EU thing was driven by these 5 men.
It’s “make it up time” again !!!!
This thread gets more surreal
The entire world is watching us turn the UK into a 3rd world dictatorship
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Brexit has to go ahead! I am planning on reopening Ellington Colliery....
Got my eye on a few dark satanic mills...
It’s “make it up time” again !!!!
In the interest of reality, let's be honest, we certainly can't trust the current government.
We can't trust the tabloids or news papers, because they are the puppet masters of the government.
The current government is so knackered they even sack anyone for gross misconduct for fear of losing their grip on power.
We can't trust the tabloids or news papers, because they are the puppet masters of the government.
Be serious.
I'm being pragmatic.
The current tory government had little credibility in the first instance, look at the track record of any of the front bench, a band of expendables.
They've done nothing other than damage thier own nation.
They are pretending to lead the country through the most difficult time since word war 2, and selling their own country out.
They do not even dare to sack anyone for rape, lest it dissolves thier majority.
Contemplate this.
the whole out of the EU thing was driven by these 5 men.
6. Don't forget Putin.
The current government is so knackered they even sack anyone for gross misconduct for fear of losing their grip on power.
This is certainly true
How you'd expect this lot to negotiate Brexit is beyond me.
Actually I get the feeling that even they think it wont be them anymore: see Davis in the Telegraph^^
If they do somehow manage to cling to power (certainly can't be May- Patel,Johnson,Green, Leadsom...? normal times theyd all be booted out PMs so weak after losing Fallon, she's can't afford to loose a single one) im starting to think that a no deal scenario is actually possible,
the 11th hour crisis talks delivering a fudged compromise is only possible if you think that any of the Brexiters could write their names in crayon to sign it off.
Either way Tories reputation is severely tarnished, if they keep scoring own goals at this rate Farage will be back on the hustings!
Dead party walking....
When JC and Labour have more appeal to the CBI than the Tories you get a view on how bad their position really is.
Labour have no more appeal than the tories currently.
What we need to do is have a cease fire on article 50, we may have to cite insanity until we can get a credible government in place.
To certain groups they do, the Tory donors hammering on about No Deal (no such thing) is better than a bad deal etc. a deeply divided party who have no coherent voice and are made up of what looks like dead men walking - I suspect a few resignations have already been drafted.
As for common sense on A50 Alastair Campbell already drafted it
“Leadership is about confronting the great challenges. But Brexit is the biggest challenge we have faced since the second world war. So I intend to devote my speech, in four parts, to this alone.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/16/theresa-may-brexit-cant-be-done
WTF is "a ceasefire on article 50"?
When JC and Labour have more appeal to the CBI than the Tories you get a view on how bad their position really is.POSTED 24 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
mattyfez - Member
Labour have no more appeal than the tories currently
Corbyn got bigger applause & more positive tweets after speeches at CBI today than May
coz he made nice noises about brexit transition
Pause the negotiations?
Accept that the current government is finished as has no mandate to negotiate on behalf of the people?
Easy answers if not obvious ones
WTF is "a ceasefire on article 50"?
As in 'let's call the whole thing off'
52% were clearly very very drunk.
Or really bleeding thick, or very very rich, chose your ratio.
Oh, you mean withdrawal. Sure, that's obviously the only reasonable choice.
UK Cross Party agreement is needed, there's a hisy fit.
We as a country need to do the decent thing, as we are decent people, I would hope. And put the brakes on this nonsense and put the comon sense before politics.
Whether the current current government front bench has the acumen to differenciate between what thier job is and what 'other stuff' is more important..
Whether the current current government front bench has the acumen to differenciate between what thier job is and what 'other stuff' is more important..
It looks more and more likely that an election will be needed to change the direction - fought on the issues up front.
US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told the BBC there had already been a "joint scoping exercise" in Washington in July on a free trade agreement and another similar meeting will be held in London next week.
"We're huge trading partners with each other and our economies are in many ways more similar to each other than either of us is to most of Europe," he said.
"So there's all the logic in the world for the US and the UK to be not only good trading partners, but FTA partners," he said.
He also accused the EU of being guilty of "extreme protectionism".
Mr Ross, who met Theresa May and other senior ministers during a two-day visit, identified continued "passporting" of financial services, compliance with EU food standards on GM crops and chlorine-washed chicken and future trade tariffs as areas that could pose problems in negotiations between the nations.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41895387
and here we go again, the nasty EU being all nasty and standing up for itself Anyway the chances of Mr Ross being around long enough to negotiate a trade deal are slim
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/wilbur-ross-russia.html?_r=0
When does May give in?
insisted he hopes a UK-US free trade agreement[b] will take less than 10 years [/b]to negotiate.
From mikes link above
Anyone who does not understand that the whole brexit thing is being driven by the foreign owned press for their own political ends and how much MUrdoch is the puppet master of the tories and ukip is either naive, deluded or in denial
more bad news
British exporters have been put on notice that they could lose billions of pounds worth of business after almost two-thirds of EU businesses who work with UK suppliers warned they expect to use more firms inside the single market after Brexit.The Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply (CIPS) said 63% of the EU companies surveyed last month said they planned to move some of their supply chain out of the UK as a result of the decision to leave the single market and customs union. The results represent a large increase on a survey in May, when 44% of EU businesses said they were preparing to switch.
And before we get there links on previous it nobody in the world actually trades purely on WTO terms
We have a x-party consensus to respect the vote, to negotiate a FTA with Europe to ensure on-going access to the single market and to agree to a transition period
Sorry for the inconvenient facts.
It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial 😉 ?!?! But that does seem rather rude to say so!!
We have a x-party consensus to respect the vote
“Had” certainly, not sure I’d be quite so sure about “have”.
And “respect” isn’t exactly the same as “comply with” either.
Brexit is currently going roughly as expected, as those charged with doing it realise just how difficult it is and find reasons to scrap with each other.
However I respect your opinion, even though I wonder if it is part of the past not part of the future. Time will, of course, tell.
As an aside, has Patel been sacked yet, and if not why not?
Well if labour are about to flip flop then we shall see but so far it’s clear re voting patterns and behaviour what the two major political parties intend.
No one is suggesting that this is easy. It obviously isn’t. But hysterical reactions and constant lies don’t make it easier. On the contrary....
Actually it was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history.
THM - nowt hysterical here. Quite amused by the whole Brexy shambles. The Tories are starting to flip flop as well as Labour of course.
And voting patterns? Well if you will assume the the past is a guide to the future, I suppose one must agree with you. I think things are less certain.
Why is Patel still here? Is it because they can’t afford to fire her?
It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial ?!?! But that does seem rather rude to say so!!
Don't be so hard on yourself.
I know that it's clear that you have found a niche where brexit will benefit you personally. However, don't be so naive as to believe it impossible that as the implications of brexit dawn ever stronger on the population as a whole that it becomes politically expedient to change tack.
Impact assessments are being released today aren't they?
zokes - I’m not sure THM has found a beneficial niche, my suspicion is the clarity / certainty has a clue to him (professionally that is) even if that clarity is about the degree of uncertainty. And fair enough.
I know that I deal with uncertainty better than many, it’s what makes me valuable at work, but I can certainly see that having some clearly defined knowns is useful in planning for the future (which is one of the things THM does)
I’ve just realised that I’ve been referring to THM as male all along, but I don’t actually think I know whether THM is male or female. I think male. But I’m not sure.
Not a linear thinker me. You’ve probably noticed. Hence mindmaps not lists. Can’t do lists - too restrictive.
Can’t do lists - too restrictive.
I know how you feel. Currently trying to write a particularly convoluted review that does not lend itself well to a linear progression of ideas. Pity it can't be in electronic form as hyperlinks would solve that problem. Ho hum.
Maybe our elected representatives ought to think long and hard about Edmund Burke's 1774 speech and what their responsibilities are to the country as a whole. Unless of course this was all carefully planned.
salad_dodger - Member
Impact assessments are being released today aren't they?
Redacted versions, can't let everyone know how much May promised Nissan etc..
So Davis busy with his permanent marker, meanwhile.
Patel lasts another day, Green hides behind a curtain in shame, Leadsom tries to remember who told her what & when , Fallon decides it's Congnac Tuesday, while Johnson desperately rings Iran and begs them not to believe what he said & increase Zaghari-Ratcliffes sentence....
Gosh Brexit done a grand job of settling Tory divisions
Zokes be careful with using words like I know, when it is obvious that you do not know
I have no beneficial niche. On the contrary Brexshit is bad for me, my firm and also for Europe. But that is misses the poInt. It’s happening, so you prepare for it. We are very well prepared for it, but it will still hurt. Tant pis!! Life’s not fair
As I said before deal with what is in front of you not what you wish is in front oy you.
IGM is correct that like many, my chief concern in uncertainty not the facts itself. Once we know the details we can execute the plans. While we do not we remain in strategic limbo. No one wants that
Meanwhile - chlorinated chicken still on the menu:
Want to choose not to eat it? Tough:
Geographic indicators on food products, [...] are also “key impediments” to expanded trade
It’s happening, so you prepare for it.
I'd say, on current form, nothing's set in stone. I appreciate the sentiment but it's mental to blindly accept we're going to march off the cliff face before someone says "hang on a minute - is this actually the best course of action?".
Politico.eu obviously reading my posts here
In his morning London Playbook email, Politico Europe’s Jack Blanchard explains why Theresa May may have decided that the prospect of going ahead with this morning’s cabinet is just too ghastly.Theresa May will chair a meeting of her Cabinet this morning. It may not be the happiest of gatherings. Sitting around the table will be:
— Her first secretary of state, Damian Green, who is under investigation by the Cabinet Office over allegations, which he denies, that he made unwanted advances towards a young Tory activist and had “extreme” pornography on an office computer.
— Her foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, whose latest verbal blunder could see a British citizen spend a further five years in jail in Iran.
— Her chancellor, Philip Hammond, who she planned to sack five months ago and with whom she reportedly can hardly bear to share a room.
— Her new defense secretary, Gavin Williamson, whose promotion from chief whip last week following the resignation of her disgraced ally Michael Fallon sparked more fury among her parliamentary party than any Cabinet appointment in recent memory.
— Her Commons leader, Andrea Leadsom, who is accused in today’s Mail and Telegraph of failing to act on a rape claim by a Tory aide, and by some of her own colleagues of ending Fallon’s career in order to save her own. She too denies all the charges.
— Her international development secretary, Priti Patel, who went behind her back to hold secret talks with a string of senior Israeli politicians and a Tory donor — and then tried to mislead the press when she got found out.
— Her party chairman, Patrick McLoughlin, whom most of her party want fired for his handling of both the disastrous general election and last month’s conference security fiasco
"Strong and Stable" seems like a long time ago 🙂
Wonder what today's canceled Cabinet meeting would've looked like.....
[b]May[/b] - right here we are, let's just get this over with, first of all phones away, I want no distraction.
[b]Johnson[/b]- hang on a minute Im on hold with the Iranian ministry of justice,
[b]May[/b]- Fine, Priti both phones please, wait are you texting someone?, Is that Netanyahu?
[b]Patel[/b]- ermm no it's my travel agent, just arranging our Xmas hols, was thinking somewhere with a good Xmas vibe, somewhere holy.
[b]Green-[/b] what about Bethlehem?
[b]Patel[/b]- Oooh hadnt thought of that.
[b]May[/b]- Damien, shut up and get back in the corner, infact behind the curtain and put your phone away, I'll be checking your browsing history later.
[b]May[/b]- Right to business, Gavin have you got a grip of Defence yet,
[b]Williamson[/b]- Well I've moved Cronos into fallons old office, but I keep finding empty gin bottles stashed everywhere, oh and people keep, mistaking me for the health secretary, at least I think they are saying Hunt.
[b]Hunt[/b]- What was that? Sorry high score on candy crush, we've added 1000000 new nurses and...
[b]Hammond[/b]- You better bloody not, infact that's an extra 1bn off your budget you Brexit turncoat
[b]May[/b]- Enough! Now Andrea what are we doing about this sex scandal
[b]Leadsom[/b]- Well as you know I've been very pro-active, outing the sex pests, especially that cad Fallon.
[b]May[/b]- And do we have all historic allegations under wraps?
[b]Leadsom[/b]- Oh Im pretty sure, someone did say they had been assaulted last week, or was it last month, I mean I definitely wrote it down.
[b]May[/b]- Ok, let's move on, David what's going on with Brexit?
[b]Davis[/b]- Well talks should resume before Xmas, maybe after, im not too worried, I think they're ready to fold any minute.
[b]Hammond[/b]- Really? my contacts in Brussels are saying there's no shift- the EU27 saying exactly what they did when you signed up to their schedule 8 months ago, you have to follow it!
[b]Davis[/b]- Yes well, what they don't realise is that Britain is led by some of the greatest statesman in the world, this is clever stuff, I mean, its not like you just have to turn up at the last minute and theyll capitulate, its all very strategic, no one said it would be easy!
[b]Hammond[/b]- Well actually that twerp Hannon did, Gove said we'd hold all the cards a day after the vote & some idiot said it'd be the easiest deal in history.
[b]Fox[/b]- Ill have you know that Ive got a tester bacth of chloriated chicken coming in next week.
[b]Johnson[/b]- Im not eating that foreign muck, ill be shitting like a bedouin! Oh wait your excellency!, not you, what I meant was, what do you mean 20 years, thats a bit harsh, hello, hello? Bugger.
[b]All[/b]- BORRIS !
Well if they are not in the room she can't sack them...
at what point is the damage to much that it has to be called off?
Zokes be careful with using words like I know, when it is obvious that you do not know
Sorry, shouldn't have stooped to your level.
Well if labour are about to flip flop then we shall see but so far it’s clear re voting patterns and behaviour what the two major political parties intend.
Hmmm....The labour party doesn't really need to do anything at the moment. If they came down on the side of remain, it may galvanise the tories, the current course of action looks like sit on the fence and watch the tories disintegrate.
It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial
looking in the mirror at the time you said it?
US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told the BBC there had already been a "joint scoping exercise" in Washington in July on a free trade agreement...
Excellent, a transatlantic trade and investment partnership?
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You couldn't make it up. Has such a shower of shite ever occupied government before?
It's comical that people could ever have accused the EU parliament of being poorly-run compared to the dysfunctional cluster-**** in westminster.
Sorry, shouldn't have stooped to your level.
You can but dream
Enough with the personal sniping, we've got the serious matter of 58 sectoral analyses that are "already done" while "it is not the case that 58 sectoral impact assessments exist"
Enough with the personal sniping, we've got the serious matter of 58 sectoral analyses that are "already done" while "it is not the case that 58 sectoral impact assessments exist"
What is the penalty for misleading the HoC and or contempt?
Because it appears to be coming obvious the fabled studies are as real as Unicorns.
The fabled studies are cobbled-together trivia, anecdotes and soundbites that the govt are too embarrassed to publish because it would show their preparations to have been utterly shoddy and inadequate.
Davis caught in one of his own lies there, its almost funny if it wasnt so serious and now a regular thing
THM your stance apppears to have shifted from
'there will be a deal'
to
'Im prepared for everything'
funnily enough youre not alone
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with a government this incompetent its hardly surprising
word from brussles is that the EU also agree
Hmmm....The labour party doesn't really need to do anything at the moment. If they came down on the side of remain, it may galvanise the tories, the current course of action looks like sit on the fence and watch the tories disintegrate.
Correct. But possibly vert soon they may have to step up to the plate. They have committed to respecting the vote and the leader is a man of conviction and dislikes the EU so don’t hold you breath on a change of heart. Or are you saying.....
It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial
looking in the mirror at the time you said it?
No, a very clear pane of glass.
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But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread
Correct. But possibly vert soon they may have to step up to the plate
nah Torries so desperate to cling on, theyd rather destroy their reputation by keeping Patel & Johnson on board & ****ing up Brexit that theyll keep resuscitating this dying government
THM your stance apppears to have shifted
No it hasn’t
Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though
But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread
hmm that red line wouldve been higher now if it'd continued its trajectory from march 2013 to mid 2015
#brexitsfault
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Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though
not long ago you were confident teh grown ups would ensure there would be a deal, inspite of the headlines
are you so sure now?
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/22/the-out-campaign-and-the-attitude-to-tax-of-its-funders/
How will the brexit voting public respond when they find out they have been shafted? Still waiting for an answer.
Mefty - I get happier every day I see another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Of course I’m getting happier since June last year.
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eye opening thread from deputy director of British Influence thinktank
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/927551446186450944
Back from meetings in Brussels. There's good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it's... extremely bad. 1/
Yes but apart from that, it's all going perfectly - adults in the room, no froth, preparations being made etc etc.