Is there a date for delivery of the supreme court ruling or is it just some time this month? Can't find a date online
I think too much is being read into Sir Ivan Rogers' departure.
Firstly it has been said that [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38369452 ]Cameron's EU negotiators took criticism of the deal offered by the EU very personally[/url], and after a lot of hard graft on their part this is understandable, but equally it's understandable that since their deal was rejected in the referendum, it is likely to be appropriate that a different person takes on that job.
Sir Ivan is a Whitehall civil servant, not a (self serving) career EU employee as Jambalaya has said upthread, and those senior civil servants probable have little difficulty in adjusting to having to implement U turns and major policy changes as required by any new political master. Neverthless, after a couple of years of trying to negotiate a better deal for the UK, the Brexit negotiations will be vastly different in tone and approach, and it probably makes sense to have a new face in this role who does not have a lot of baggage of past EU dealings and including having needed friendly working relations with his EU opposites.
Secondly, and probably more importantly, with the vote for Brexit his role is now a lot more important and critical than when he was originally appointed, and I expect that Downing Street will appoint a more senior civil servant to replace him.
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I heard IDS too. They still haven't got beyond "brexit means brexit". Have they literally no idea how many people are worried about their jobs because of this?
They're zealots. Everything must be sacrificed at the alter of their unhinged ideology.
To quote their idol, its all 'a price worth paying'. Nobody they know personally will be paying the price though, obviously. It'll just be the little people
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Maybe you should read his letter and come back.
Business leaders in London Are not best pleased.
I think too much is being read into Sir Ivan Rogers' departure.Firstly it has been said that Cameron's EU negotiators took criticism of the deal offered by the EU very personally, and after a lot of hard graft on their part this is understandable, but equally it's understandable that since their deal was rejected in the referendum, it is likely to be appropriate that a different person takes on that job.
Mostly by the Brexit mob though, they seem to be getting very upset about being talking to be so called experts again and having it explained to them that it's not going to be cake for everyone every day.
Perfectly understandable reading his departure letter his reasons for leaving.
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Usual suspects making their own points as usual
IDS was pretty open that Ministers believed he leaked the "10 years" comment and then his own resignation essay. No confidence in him. Had to go.
Brexit should be used to address our approach to farming and food. Spot on.
"Cheaper than the Daily Mail and Daily Mirror and Ten Times better"
Brexit facts and all that.
No confidence in him. Had to go.
As opposed to 4 months left in the position, get the replacement in and up to speed before may has a crack at her bill? Doesn't sound plausible, though reading the letter can't have been much help fun being told you are wrong and have no idea about the job you have been doing well by borris ids and Davies.
I hear they have nearly decided which blue it means and will be moving on to the red shortly.
The opening header of that article Jammers....
[i]The end of the Common Agricultural Policy in Britain will be a chance to subsidise sustainable farming, not wealthy landowners, claims a new report[/i]
Yeah... I can really see Theresa, IDS, Boris, Liam Fo xand the rest of the Tory party weighing in on the side of the environment, against those bastard wealthy landowners they hate so much
"Those British farmers have really upped their game since Brexit and are sticking it to us Eurofarmers. More efficient, less subsides, etc."
"Yes. Lets subsidise the ba5tards out of existence."
Yup. Every time a see a brexmoron appealing to the left side of politics by claiming we'll be able to spend xyz on sustainable abc all I can do is laugh at their stupidity.
Most people on the left grudgingly accept the EU as at least being a backstop against the sort of unsustainable neoliberal crony capitalism the Tories specialise in. Does anyone really think that once we're out of the UK any political cause traditionally of the left will improve its lot? Really?
Remainers you know you are [I have a potty mouth] when your number 1 cheerleader is Nick Clegg 😀
OK so. 10 months, his logic stands up fine, the other side of not being ignored and asked to deliver the impossible will also probably count for something.
Had to go? Only seems like a very minority view so far. On the 10 years thing, wasn't that about the consensus of everyone not shouting Do it now!
The Brexit negotiations are going to be a nationally damaging fiasco. They are negotiations that anyone capable of conducting will inherently be against for the same reasons that the country voted for Brexit in the first place.
A farce - and one that is going to get very un-funny when the negotiations (from a weak position) start to unravel very rapidly against british interests.
Remember what you did - all those of you who voted for this mess.
loved this one from Lothesome
I also know how important seasonal labour from the EU is, to the everyday running of your businesses.I’ve heard this loud and clear around the country, whether in Herefordshire, Sussex, or Northamptonshire, and I want to pay tribute to the many workers from Europe who contribute so much to our farming industry and rural communities.
Access to labour is very much an important part of our current discussions
so its unskilled workers ahoy!!
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as for rogers, its hardly surprising that IDS is once again out to destroy the reputation of anyone that dares speak the truth over brexshit
coming from a man whos own career is a litany of failure, there cant be many that actually believe a word he says
Remainers you know you are ****ed when your number 1 cheerleader is Nick Clegg
Given the cheerleaders for Brexit, and worse - the ones allegedly in charge of it, that's got to be the least self aware post you've ever made on this forum
[b]Ambassador[/b] to the EU. Says it all really. An ambassador is what you have to interact with [b]another country.[/b]
As coverage is saying, he was a Remainer and EU-phile at heart and the wrong man for the job post June 23. Together with Cameron he did a terrible job in the so called "renegotiation"
IDS Open? Oxymoron.
Says it all really
You forgot the sad face. Do you actually know what his job was or are you just picking apart the title. Go read his letter again its a very well written piece laying out the challenge ahead.
As coverage is saying
The coverage is saying that he knows the other EU countries better than anyone else. Which is exactly the sort of knowledge we want when conducting negotiations. But, it seems he didn't kneel in front of the Inquisition and recant, so he's out.
What on earth are you whittering on about now, Jamby? The man's job title? Is that really the best you can do?
This is starting to become a little
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Only you can replace the "I'm invincible" bit with the somewhat bizarre idea that the EU and indeed the rest of the world will somehow brown down to our defunct empire and aircraft carriers without planes.
Ambassador to the EU. Says it all really. An ambassador is what you have to interact with another country.
We have an ambassador to the UN as well.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Remainers you know you are ****ed when your number 1 cheerleader is Nick Clegg
and yours is IBS!
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So let's resume the UK government position :
Same access to the EU marketplace even if it costs a lot of money.
More skilled immigrants from outside the EU.
Same numbers of unskilled immigrants from the EU.
No immediate changes to current legislation.
I think this is going rather well.
Please tell us again why we are leaving?
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The more I hear "let's wait, why hurry" the more my heart and head sinks. A decision has been made. Period. The next phase is a NEGOTIATION between us and [s]Frankfurt/Berlin[/s] 27 other states. The framework for debate and the various options are known. The knownnun known is simple the unique solution that will result for the [s]red, white and blue[/s] UK Brexshit solution/compromise. Delays cannot help this process, they merely hinder it (or give remainers fasle hope that we can turn back time - we can't).
So let's have the CoJ opinion (no change) present the Bill, pass it and FFS get on with ending this period of madness.
Why dId we vote to leave??? Didnt you read the [s]bus[/s] script?
1. £350m
2. Keep the nasties out
3. Give the folk in immigration 'owt to do
4. ditto the legislature - those folk in wigs, robes and ermine
5. Trade deal with the 12% of the world we don't have deals with now, while screwing the 88% that we do have
Source: #fakecontolwebsite
Simples. Why didn't anyone think of this before?
I don't think the options are known
The problem is until May comits to what we are hoping to get out of it...
In customs union?
In single market?
Freedom of movement?
ECJ?
Cake or no cake?
Brexit for brexiters or 48ers?
Negotiations can't really get on with it until the red lines are drawn.
Even those who'll be doing the negotiating are still in the dark about it, and quite obviously IDS too.
Brexishambles
We know what we want (our cake) and what is not available (the chance to eat it). The unknowns are simple how to reconcile the two. The answer can only come from negotiation. So bring it on.
Red lines!!! Be serious. We are in the weaker position. We can't draw red lines, we will merely observe them. Our fate was determined by the vote - that can't be changed. The best we can do is to make the best of a bad job. The Brexshit utopia is a mirage so no point in even entertaining it (if only it was funny!)
Excuse all typos (^) new ebsite and iPhone are not compatible!!!
As coverage is saying, he was a Remainer and EU-phile at heart and the wrong man for the job post June 23.
Funnily enough both times and telegraph Brussels correspondents saying he wasn't surprised by brexit and wasn't a remoaner at all
Jambafact!
Anyone who dares say anything vaguely based in reality is to be driven out and discredited
Together with Cameron he did a terrible job in the so called "renegotiation"
In my view that deal offered significant improvement over what was already quite an advantageous agreement for the UK. Especially on the monetary side of things. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277
I think a 'terrible job' is inaccurate.
Together with Cameron he did a terrible job in the so called "renegotiation"
I think we need to see the results of any forthcoming negotiations before we pass judgement on that, don't you?
On the contrary - Dave played a blinder (*almost) and got a deal that will be seen as infinitely more superior to the one that will emerge from the negotiations, when they start!
* his error was the bravado in spinning this as reforming Europe. It was never that and should have been presented as such. Beginners error.
THM, May could at least set out an objective. We are in the far weaker position, however a clear statement we are looking for EEA membership, or Swiss position, or Turkey, or a clean break. Would at least reveal a plan in place and if it goes tits up she can try and blame the EU (again)
Although May will be screwed which ever she picks as all groups won't like some element of the outcome.
She has - she wants a unique solution for the UK, pisstaking aside that was what was meant by red white and blue Brexshit
red white and blue Brexshit
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Just look at all those red lines. All over the pissing place and half are broken. Seems strangely apt.
Ambassador to the EU. Says it all really. An ambassador is what you have to interact with another country.
well clearly your first statement makes your second statement /fact incorrect.
We also have one to the UN and to NATO and I imagine we will keep them post Brexit
I dont think even she knows what she wants beyond curbing immigration at any costshe wants a unique solution for the UK
I loved the "unique" line. Of course it's bloody unique, it's the first time it's ever happened. If I stick a crochet needle up my urethra that'll be unique too but it doesn't mean it's good.
No we are not having a vote to decide the fate of my jap's eye.
Delays cannot help this process, they merely hinder it (or give remainers fasle hope that we can turn back time - we can't).
The answer can only come from negotiation. So bring it on.
My friend in the FCO says that the government isn't anywhere near close to having the staffing sorted to begin the negotiations, so waiting makes sense, no point firing the starting gun when you haven't even put your running spikes on yet. March is optimistic enough.
The only thing I can assume is that she was thinking of the French flag when she said she wanted a red, white and blue Brexit.
Barnier is going to have our lot for Breakfast.
We also have one to the UN and to NATO and I imagine we will keep them post Brexit
And one to the OECD.
Ambassador is a rank in the FCO, the job titles are normally "Permanent Representative to…"
Jamba will be along to back up his "fact" about what an Ambassador is soon I suspect…
[i]…only Nations matter, all supranational organisations are evil, yadda yadda…[/i]
Don't forget NW I was a remainer
Unique is simply stating the obvious as you note
