sod this for a game of soldiers, i'm outa 'ere!
Brexishambles lurches on
The Mail and other Brexies had been after his scalp because he had suggested negotiating a good trade deal with EU would take 10 yeras.
Aaron Banks and the VoteLeave team celebrating, it seems that brexies only like to have yesmen around, never mind that one of our very few actual experienced EU negotiators is gone....
Yup. TBH every time a competent realist leaves this process the nutters consider it a mighty victory so, hurrah!
The Mail and other Brexies had been after his scalp because he had suggested negotiating a good trade deal with EU would take 10 yeras.
I can't believe it'd ttrake 10 years, this thread has been running for less than a year and we've nearly cracked it. 😛
Indeed, celebrating I am. Don't let the door hit you in the **** on the way out. Brexit negotiations need people committed to the future not the past.
Career EU man decides his EU career is over 9 months ahead of scheduled departure. Not surprising in the slightest, he's jumped knowing full well he was about to be pushed given his "it will take 10 years bollix LEAK (not)". I have no doubt he wanted to continue his cushy lifestyle and job with only 10% tax and a stupendous pension for as long as possible, when he realised that was not going to be the case he's gonzo.
QED
[b]Job Offer[/b]
Ambassador to the European Union[b]
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Department, for Exiting the, European Union, Westminster
Placed on: 03-01-2017
Salary: £500,405 to £534,183, depending on experience and ability
Contract length: 2 years as of March 2017 and not a minute longer
Closing Date: as soon as blooming possible,
[b]Key skills[/b]:
Must be fluent in French, German, Spanish, Dutch, ...... or just be able to speak Slowly and Loudly in English
Detailed knowledge of trade and financial systems of 27 member nations of the EU
Detailed knowledge of existing EU border Tarrifs and EU regulations
Detailed knowledge and extensive network of contacts at the EU parliament and commission
Ability to ignore all of the above and just blame Junker/Tusk for eventual collapse of Brexishambles
Complete understanding of the term Brexit means Brexit
Ability to carry out damage limitation relating to comments made by Borris Johnson at very short notice
Appreciation of a fine pair of leather trousers
Please be aware that anything you say may at any point be leaked by pro-Brexit politicians, if it does not conform to their obviously correct and proper view of the world.
Please contact David Davies for informal enquiries
(whining Remoaners need not apply, Yes-men Only)
(Oh and before he asks and Nigel farage can f- off too)
I'll do it.
😆 kimbers.. Do you work in recruitment?
First day back at work after the break, reckon he's been thinking about that since Christmas Eve...
more likely he's seen Mays plan an thought "jesus ****ing wept are you shitting me!?"
more likely he's seen Mays plan
There's a plan? 😮
There's a plan?
Yes, we'll get the band back together!!
Cougar we really do not, the grounds on which we can refuse entry are very specific (ie the person poses an immediate security threat), otherwise anyone can come,
That's as may be. Point is, this isn't an EU mandate, it's what we've decided to do.
Doesn't the same apply to non-EU members?
(Am I wrong here?)
rats leaving a sinking ship?
Nice to see UKIP trying to find another job for Farage as well...
There's a plan?
HM Government
Brexit means Brexit by Moe, Larry and Curly
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Have cake and eat it.
Surely Phillip Hammond has to be the next to leave in despair at trying unsuccessfully to keep the Mail-fuelled, foaming-at-the-mouth loony tunes in check.
At this rate our negotiating team will consist of Liam Fox standing on a table in Brussels in just a pair of union jack boxer shorts, singing Jerusalem over and over and over
At this rate our negotiating team will consist of Liam Fox standing on a table in Brussels in just a pair of union jack boxer shorts, singing Jerusalem over and over and over
See, there IS a plan...
From the BBC.
"But former Conservative cabinet minister John Redwood said Sir Ivan had made a "very wise decision", saying his leaked advice suggested he did "not really have his heart in" Brexit, believing it to be "very difficult and long-winded".
He said the new ambassador should be someone "who thinks it's straightforward"."
So we just need an optimistic simpleton with no grasp of reality then.
John Redwood then?
John Redwood then?
Or Timmy Mallett?
So we just need an optimistic simpleton with no grasp of reality then.
Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Liam Fox........
The list is endless...
farage's ego knows no bounds he is glorying in dictating to the Tories how they should run the country
Nigel Farage ? @Nigel_Farage
I welcome the resignation of UK ambassador to Brussels, Ivan Rogers. The Foreign Office needs a complete clear out.
2:41 PM - 3 Jan 2017
Ever since cameron's disastrous attempt to silence farage and the tory eurosceptics with a referendum old nigel thinks hes now the boss of us all 😯
Unfortunately when the survivors stagger out of the bunkers after the impending nuclear apocalypse, Emperor Trump may prove him right 😯
He said the new ambassador should be someone "who thinks it's straightforward".
Redwood genius at work there.
Personally, I have no idea why dealing with the EU from the outside should make things any simpler than dealing with it from the inside, but even if you do believe that, then assuming the negotiations that enable that transition will be "straightforward" marks you out as entirely unsuitable to be involved in the task. We need people who understand the complexity of dealing in, and in future with, the largest group of trading nations in the world.
Sir Nicholas Macpherson, a former head of the UK Treasury, described Sir Ivan’s departure as “wilful & total destruction of EU expertise”. He pointed out that other senior UK officials with EU experience were not directly involved in Brexit preparations.
beyond farce.
I thought total farce was what we were aiming for? Surely no other conclusion could have been drawn from the appointment of the 3 stooges?
Pretty obvious from various comments that he had been frozen out by the Government. Whatever knowledge he may have had you can't have people in your team who don't have the right attitude. There is of course no guaranty he would have used his knowledge for the benefit of Brexit.
Gone and good riddance.
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So let me get this right? No matter what expertise you have in this specific area, unless you tow the John Redwood/Daily Mail/Simpleton/flat earth theories being espoused by a specific bunch of squabbling headbangers, you have no place in negotiating this countries future?
That a fair summary?
Gone and good riddance.
Totally, the last thing Brexit needs is experts.
Whatever knowledge he may have had you can't have people in your team who don't have the right attitude
There is of course no guaranty he would have used his knowledge for the benefit of Brexit.Gone and good riddance.
absolutely, having people on the team that actually know what they are talking about and are willing to tell you the truth rather than what you want to hear, well its just not cricket is it.
partition is starting to look like the best solution for all concerned.
You know, I was always open to free movement of people across Europe, but over Christmas, something happened which completely changed my mind.
Its true what some have been saying up above: here in the North, there's just no integration of cultures, and locals are being sidelined completely.
Take this lot: on Christmas Eve, this whole family just turned up on our doorsteps and got a free 2-bedroom house out of it. I'm pretty sure they're subletting too.
They've told the local papers some sob story about how Professor Chocolate Rabbit is a noted political dissident in Sylvania, and has had to flee the capital itself, Sylvaniar, where he had a job in the University teaching political theory. Seems he and the President didn't get along.
Fair enough maybe, but: no papers, and they could have settled in Neutralia and claimed asylum. But here they are in the UK, on the back of a truck. Typical.
Doesn't help that they've got some kind of strange interracial thing going on with them and the Walnut Squirrels- disgusting. I'm not racial prejudiced, me, but surely they should be integrating into our own culture?
We're sure they're signing on and working in the local nail bar.
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...coming over here, eating our acorns, stashing them away for the winter in secret locations....
Pretty obvious from various comments that he had been frozen out by the Government.
Sounds that way, doesn't it. And why? For trying to manage their expectations about the timescales involved in creating a trade deal with the EU? Anyone freely mixing the words "quick, deal, EU, approved by national parliaments" in one sentence, probably has a very strange view of the EU, and probably shouldn't be in government at all, never mind claiming to be preparing for negotiations with the EU and its member states.
Binners, I am all for people with worthwhile EU experience. However they have to be 100% behind the Brexit vision, which is out of the EU, customs union and single market. Him leaking the 10 years story imo puts him firmly in the "well you can just **** off then" camp. He was going in Oct/Nov anyway so better to have someone in place who will see the job through. Frankly it's also good for the EU to see all their buddies are getting fired. They can understand they are being with Brexiteers and not establishment EU-ers.
Him leaking the 10 years story imo puts him firmly in the "well you can just **** off then" camp.
How do you know he leaked it, not someone annoyed about the content of his briefing?
How long do you think it'll take to get a trade deal with the EU?
However they have to be 100% behind the Brexit vision, which is out of the EU, customs union and single market.
And, again, most people do not want your "out of everything" Leave plan… … so does that mean most Brits should take no part in Brexit… or are we all supposed to be working hard to make it work? Which is it?
He's not drunk deeply enough of the Brexit Koolaid. Can't blame him for quitting, who in their right mind would want to be involved in that omnishambles?
Jammers darling - you sound like a member of a cult. A particularly bonkers one!
The lunatics are running the asylum. All you dreadfully sane ones have had long enough. Our turn now.
🙂
Why on earth would he leak it and to the daily mail !
The brexies in government have been leaking against anyone who dares to offer a sensible opinion, eg Hammond
We all saw the Tories fighting like rats in a sack after the vote confirming that the whole thing was about furthering their own careers rather than the good of the country.
This is just more of the same
He's seen the flack that high court judges have got for doing their job - they got the full on brexit Nazi treatment from the daily Heil
To suggest he'd leak it to them himself is deluded even by brexiter standards
Having someone who knows what they are talking about telling you the drawbacks before you get in the room is definitely a hindrance. Much better to have someone who thinks it's straightforward so you don't even plan for the drawbacks.
Will they even be able to find non-joke candidates to fill jobs like this? What serious and competent person would take the job, knowing that any hint of reality will bring out the knives...
Having someone who knows what they are talking about telling you the drawbacks before you get in the room is definitely a hindrance. Much better to have someone who thinks it's straightforward so you don't even plan for the drawbacks.
Much better to have someone who is a Brexiteer. He failed totally to deliver withbthe "renegotiation" (see below). Yes of course the EU is going to come up with a long list of "it's so difficult, it's so slow ... blah blah". You need a Brexiteer to say ok then we'll go WTO so hurry up and get that organised.
Nige is spot on here, he helped negotiate the total non-deal Cameron tried to bullsh.t everyone with. He should have gone in June along with Cameron and the EU Commisioner
Once again the Mash nails it...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/brexit-movie-only-going-to-be-released-on-vhs-20170103119541
However they have to be 100% behind the Brexit vision, which is out of the EU, customs union and single market.
so is Theresa next then?
The deal that Dave won will prove to be better than anything we end up with - by a 28 country mile
Theresa is the unity PM who totally gets it, I was surprised she "campaigned" for Remain although you'll recall she contributed very very little. We Leavers could see her heart wasn't in it.
