You Brexiters ought to live where we do, no immigration issues here:
http://www.ourscottishborders.com/invest/facts/demographics
And pretty much accepted as some of the best trails in the UK 🙂
So 25% of the country are ignorant/racist - probably the same number if I moved somewhere else.
Exactly… moving to another country won't help you avoid those who fear change and difference.
Live where ever you want, and fight for openness from your own corner of the world.
Actually, it's strange how internationally connected some of those campaigning for closing borders are…
…perhaps we can learn something about campaigning from the Russia, National Front, UKIP, Trump collaborations…
You Brexiters ought to live where we do, no immigration issues here:http://www.ourscottishborders.com/invest/facts/demographics
And pretty much accepted as some of the best trails in the UK
Makes you wonder why immigrants would rather live in Oldham than Scotland. What can they see that others can't?
One could almost argue that the lack of immigration to Scotland is because despite everything everybody states England and Wales are more welcoming. Why else are they not moving there?
Cos it's cold, grim, backward and there are no jobs (scottish expat here BTW).
Many moons ago there were a load of Vietnamese boat people landed up in Aberdeen.
My mum, being the public spirited soul she was, volunteered to help a family. She kind of became their main contact and I remember them visiting the house.
I'm pretty sure every family ended up moving away down south mainly because this far North was just too cold for them.
Well, that's what my mum said.
Cos it's cold, grim, backward and there are no jobs
You have described Oldham,
So why is Oldham more attractive to immigrants than Scotland? with its parliament singing from the trees that it has to maintain freedom of movement and wants immigrants why are they going to England and Wales?
I missed this ftr.
Why are white people expats when the rest of us are immigrants?
Who remembers this
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-german-citizenship-application-embassy-queue-claims-complete-rubbish-rejected-latest-a7194161.html%3Famp
Maybe , just maybe 2017 might have some good news after all.
It would be amusing to see that all the brexies have been played for fools by this man
Why are white people expats when the rest of us are immigrants?
During my time abroad I hated the term expat and wouldn't refer to myself so, I shunned the expat communities too. I see it as an Empire thing and I'm not in for that sort of crap.
Herr Farage, the first valid reason to leave the EU.
If he's a German citizen Shirley he couldn't be our ambassador to Trump?
Robbed by people passing through
rats leaving a sinking ship,
Phil is another Brexy being silly.
Not in the slightest 200 odd pages back it was said I didn't vote wasn't bothered either way.
500 pages in and people still wont take responsibility for their own future or realise your on your own "snowflake", yet spent plenty of time discussing what if , how and why .... 😯 oh well
You only hear the term "snowflake" on the Internet… and usually from people who seem overly scared of others.
@Kimbers do you really think Nigel Farage would try and get away with claiming 3 years continuous residency in Germany ? Even the biggest half wit in the German civil service would spot the name Farage.
500 pages in and people still wont take responsibility for their own future or realise your on your own "snowflake", yet spent plenty of time discussing what if , how and why .... oh well
Phil if you come back in another 20,000 posts that won't have changed. "Coz we woz robbed".
TMH IMO it's far less about blaming the immigrants and more about recognising we need to "take a breath or just slow down a bit". Except within the EU we cannot, we have no control.
More utter poppycock from Jambalaya. The example given a few posts back of Keighley and Bradford mainly concerns immigration from the Indian subcontinent. Are India, ****stan and Bangladesh members of the EU? No. It's a UK govt issue. Secondly, back in 2004 Germany and other nations opted to put a cap on immigrants from Poland and other ex-communist countries. Did the UK? No. That was a UK govt decision. So, it seems we have had control, we've just chosen not to exercise it.
I don't think I've ever said "we woz robbed". If we're going to go footballish I prefer "game of two halves" or something like that.
I think Brexies are wrecking the country and need to be stopped. But time is on the side of the remain camp provided we simply keep piling on pressure and doing our best to disrupt the Brexit establishment.
Make sure your MP gets more letters, emails, questions and visits from those trying to support Britain's place in the world than the Brexies who are trying to wreck it.
Make the remain voice heard everywhere you can.
#DisunityIsYourFriend
"Coz we woz [s]robbed[/s] conned"
We all know what robbers look like, they know what they look like and they generally fess up in court after being found out. Conmen on the other hand apply for German passports.
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Not in the slightest 200 odd pages back it was said I didn't vote wasn't bothered either way.500 pages in and people still wont take responsibility for their own future or realise your on your own "snowflake", yet spent plenty of time discussing what if , how and why .... oh well
BTW, how is 'remain' jingoistic?
We all know what robbers look like, they know what they look like and they generally fess up in court after being found out. Conmen on the other hand apply for German passports.
is that why farige was sporting his tache at the time?
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did he think it made him look more teutonic 😉
coz it always said spiv to me but that works well obvs
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it was his disguise .
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I think he picked the wrong country.
I like the way the times has used the honours story to get backstabber gove on the front page
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That was a UK govt decision. So, it seems we have had control, we've just chosen not to exercise it.
Don't forget the Chinese steel dumping fiasco that they vetoed...
Dunno how they continuously get away with it tbh.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/31/theresa-may-new-year-message-brexit
I mean wtf, how do you keep the remainers and leavers happy!
Well I shall watch with interest.
Bit late now, after the divisive and bigoted Brexit campaign only made worse by the rhetoric that came out of the Tory party conference
In that light co-opting Jo Cox seems particularly distasteful.
To try and claim she speaks for the 48% after her Brexit means Brexit waffle, it's just more brexishambles
Theresa May "I'd like to open negotiations with the EU by saying we must leave ASAP,and we will be staying in!"
Easy way to buy my support, Theresa. Cancel Brexit.
'Tis the New Year, time to through away the deftness of 2016.
I see tye non-Tory supporting Remainers are not happy with the Tory government actually leaving the EU, nothing new there.
igm look at the opinion polls, the Tories have ample votes already. If you are strongly Remain it's the Lib Dems for you in coalition with tye SNP. Good luck with that.
A grim prgramme on French TV the other day about appalling animal welfare abuses in Eastern Europe. Turns out large parts of Fois Gras production has moved there due to substantially lower costs as they simply ignore the EU animal welfare legislation (as per Pork). Journalists filming birds in pens (even from the road) where chased by axe and pitch fork wielding "farmers". Also EU rules legally allow much of this production to be labeled as French if its finished/canned in France.
that must have made great festive viewing. the producers of fois gras aren't exactly known for their concerns for animal welfare generally, are they?
the eu doesn't cause these situations to exist just because itself it exists. individuals or individual nations choose to ignore eu regulations. this isn't the fault of the eu!
Bad people do something bad somewhere in Europe, therefore the UK must leave the EU.
Yes, suddenly it all makes perfect sense,
Can we also assume that it was French companies that moved the product out there, again not an EU issue but something that can be dealt with by national govts.
I wonder to what extent foie gras production moving to Poland is a reflection on the high taxes in France.
A grim prgramme on French TV the other day about appalling animal welfare abuses in Eastern Europe. Turns out large parts of Fois Gras production has moved there due to substantially lower costs as they simply ignore the EU animal welfare legislation
You've just got to love capitalism, don't you? Perhaps a bit more bureaucratic intervention might prevent this sort of thing. But you don't want that, do you?
Are you now arguing against yourself? It's all very confusing.
Indicative of totally ineffective EU and member states yet again simply ignoring the rules with no consequences. What's the point ?
Indicative of totally ineffective EU and member states yet again simply ignoring the rules with no consequences. What's the point ?
I thought there was the issue with too much interferring, and now you want more... You really don't know, do you?
#LEAVE (and that's about it).
To raise standards?
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/tattenhall-farmer-james-stratton-jailed-6550740
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7469616.stm
http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/11468706.Cerne_Abbas_farmer_jailed_after_breaking_cattle_laws/
i could keep on going, animal abuse whilst not common in the UK is hardly exceptional. So yes there will be abuses in Poland as there were in France.
But blaming the EU is really missing the point that some people are idiots, looking to cut costs, don't give a dam etc etc etc.
people are idiots, looking to cut costs
I spent some time working with people (who certainly weren't idiots) on cost reductions aimed at maintaining production in France rather than taking the easy option of throwing in the towel and producing somewhere cheaper. Cost cutting = survival in many industries, and the EU imposing higher standards (working conditions, safety, environmental standards, consideration for animals) is one of the few ways it can level the playing field and thus reduce social dumping.
Cost cutting = survival in many industries, and the EU imposing higher standards (working conditions, safety, environmental standards, consideration for animals) is one of the few ways it can level the playing field and thus reduce social dumping.
agreed costs will always be an issue, but do we want to emulate hormone beef, or return to battery cages, veal crates etc. It is never going to be easy to balance animal rights and keep production costs down. Is it protectionist to demand minimum standards?
Whatever legislation that exists some will ignore it. Horse meat sold as beef for example.
The pesky red tape that the brexiters want to be abolished, how much is workers rights? Holidays, paternity, working hours, etc How much is environmental, the constant failure of London to keep the air clean, simple solution scrap the target.
perhaps the remuneration package for the birds is far better in Poland, especially given the high taxes of France.
In a Free Yorkshire this so called food would not be allowed. If it don't go wi Yorkshire puddin or fish n chips it bloody pig swill.
So May said she wanted to get the best deal for both sides. If this is anything other than meaningless platitudes, it must mean soft Brexit. That's the only way to come close to that ideal.
we have social segregation and lack of opportunitiy for some immigrant communities, ie "it's not working" amd its getting worse not better with increasing segregation. We should be addressing this before placing the enormous stresses of significant EU migration onto it.
Two things.
1) What does immigration have to do with leaving the EU (and vice versa)? The UK sets its own immigration policy, the idea that we have lots of foreigners because of the EU is simply a lie to appeal to racists.
2) if we do leave the EU, and the pound inevitably goes even further down the toilet than it already has, what's going to happen to immigration? The UK is suddenly going to be massively attractive to non-EU migrants from, say, India and ****stan. You know, those nasty brown people whom this is really all about though no-one will admit to it.
