If you want a list you can produce it yourself.
He already did. It's empty. That's the point.
jambalaya - MemberIf you want a list you can produce it yourself.
That's better, get some emotion in there instead of the inane crap you've been spouting up until now.
May has committed to ensure all workers rights legislation will be carried over in the Great Repeal Bill
May committed to workers on company boards, for all of about 10 minutes, until she uncommitted to it. Of course without even having manifesto commitments to live up to(*), she can make it all up on the hoof and claim that it's what we all voted for in the referendum.
(*) apart from the crystal clear commitment to keep us in the single market, which has been unceremoniously abandoned without comment.
Anyone that doesn't spend all their free time going to national trust properties had better watch their backs.
We visited a National Trust place shortly after the referendum; the cafe was full of old people carrying Daily Mails, no doubt very happy with the result, despite the National Trust themselves supporting a Remain vote. How could you be so enthusiastic for an organisation that you so vehemently disagreed with at the same time?
If you want a list you can produce it yourself.
Are you JHJ?
You're asserting that "EU ties our hands in so many ways" which is the sort of soundbite that sounds great on the side of a bus, but probably has no substance behind it.
I don't want a list, I want you to name one. Just one. One way that the EU "ties our hands" in a way that affects us negatively. You can do that, can't you?
Because this is the crux of the Brexit argument, isn't it. I've read loads of arguments about how we'll be somehow better off, but it's all smoke and mirrors, grandiose chest-puffing posturing about our great nation based on some halcyon memory of a version of Britain in the 1960s that never actually existed. I've yet to see a single argument that holds water, most of the "problems" trotted out as reasons to leave have nothing to do with the EU in the first place.
Once more with feeling: why are we leaving, how is it going to benefit us?
Just how much does anyone trust a Tory leader with no opposition?
Open Your ****ing eyes. They will lie to placate the **** wits amongst us then when even they have realised they've been shafted there's **** all you can do about it.
"Oh let's make the best of a bad situation it's the British way" **** you,**** that lets fight now.
jambalaya - Member
May has committed to ensure all workers rights legislation will be carried over in the Great Repeal Bill. "No right to paid holiday" is yet another repetition of the ludicrous scaremongering we saw during the campaign. Spain hs 19% unemployment so "paid holiday" isn't a big concern there right now.
Let me remind you about parliamentary democracy, TM gets one vote that is it. She is about to start horse trading with about 100 odd map's to get her a 50 bill passed. Next up is her great repeal bill again needs to be passed by Parliament.
They'll not tie the hands of honest Yorkshire folk. Them lot int EU are nickin tha brass just like Scotland, London n Lancashire.
Nipper99 - Membera free trade deal with Oz who seem to be much more Pacific Rim orientated?
Making our greatest export Idris Elba, and our biggest import cgi monsters.
Cougar I have given examples before, the people asking are just not interested in a reply. Did they read any of the numoerous pieces I have posted ? No its just a "that's written by xyz so clearly rubbish"
Here is an example, directly affects me and my colleagues and nuerous other asset managers in UK and puts us at a significant disadvantage to our US and Asian competitors. As I said before I tried to get my job moved to NYC but was told I'd still be bound by EU rules as HQ is in London
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32013R0575&from=en
If you are remotely interested I will post a more readable analysis from a legal firm
Are you criticising a directive introduced with the aim to make European banks better able to cope with the crisis that you've been predicting will befall them in the near future?
Granted I haven't read all 337 pages
Id be interested to read the other analysis.
(13)
In areas not covered by this Regulation, such as dynamic
provisioning, provisions on national covered bonds
schemes not related to the treatment of covered bonds
under the rules established by this Regulation, acquisition
and holding of participations in both the financial and
non-financial sector for purposes not related to
prudential requirements specified in this Regulation,
competent authorities or Member States should be able
to impose national rules, provided that they are not
inconsistent with this Regulation.
(14)
The most important recommendations advocated in the
de Larosière report and later implemented in the Union
were the establishment of a singlerulebook and a
European framework for macroprudential supervision
where both elements in combination were aimed at
ensuring financial stability. The single rulebook ensures
a robust and uniform regulatory framework facilitating
the functioning of the internal market and prevents regu
latory arbitrage opportunities. Within the internal market
for financial services, macroprudential risks may however
differ in a number of ways with a range of national
specificities resulting in variances being observed for
example with regard to the structure and size of the
banking sector compared to the wider economy and
the credit cycle.
(15)
A number of tools to prevent and mitigate macropru
dential and systemic risks have been built into this Regu
lation and Directive 2013/36/EU ensuring flexibility
while at the same time ensuring that the use of those
tools are subject to appropriate control in order not to
harm the function of the internal market while also
ensuring that the use of such tools is transparent and
consistent
Banker says that EU regulation to restrict banking practices is bad, shocka!
Seems to say that they want everything to function as prescribed for the single market, for that you need to be at one with the single market.
I can't see that you are saying you want less regulations, can I? I mean you fugged things up good and proper the last time the eye was taken off you. Surely you need your hands to be tied up more, not less.
FFS!
Next?
cassettboy vs brexit 😀
Nipper99 - Member
Id be interested to read the other analysis
+1
Here's the EU's own press release/faq
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-690_en.htm?locale=en
Captain, firstly thanks for even looking at it. Now intention vs reality is very different. I don't work for a bank and have not since 2012 (and even then most of the prior 20 years I was in asset management department/division). If they wanted to protect banks from a repetition of 2007-8 they would have introduced compulsory credit controls, ie max amounts on credit cards (with data sharing between lenders), minimum deposit for mortgages and compulsory income verification etc. None of that would be popular with voters so they introduce totally ineffectual and misguided "risk retention" guidelines. Also these rules apply to asset managers which means they are at a massive disadvantage to non-EU competitors
If they wanted to protect banks from a repetition of 2007-8 they would have introduced compulsory credit controls, ie max amounts on credit cards
That's right, I remember now that it was 100% the fault of the customer and not the banks being greedy (then seeing their arses).
Do me a favour.
Jamba is right. Promising voters everything, whether it's real or not, is popular.
Cougar I have given examples before, the people asking are just not interested in a reply.
I'm interested in a reply… which countries are doing just nicely thanks without trade deals? You said "most countries", so the list should be nice and long…
We don't need free trade deals, the vast majority of trade is carried on without free trade deals.
We do need them. In fact, getting more, and better, trade deals was exactly what the Leave campaign promised.
All that "EU stops us getting trade deals" utter bullshit.
How many countries do we currently have trade deals with?
How many in about five years time (that gives the government a few years post Brexit)?
I'll wager far fewer, and that WILL effect our exports negatively, and you know it…
That's right, I remember now that it was 100% the fault of the customer and not the banks being greedy (then seeing their arses).
I'm just thinking of all those poor bankers who could only afford a coxster with their bonus because of those ordinary people who shafted them by using all their ccs up to the limit the bankers had extended for them. It's pretty harsh to impose regulation on those bankers who've experienced emotional trauma like that.
were those bonuses before or after the Taxpayer bailed them out ?
One for you Jamba. It is the Gudian so I expect you to dismiss it out of hand as not far right enough for you.
Don't sleep easy Brexies. We're coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.
Armed with the information we have now. I wonder which way a 2nd referendum would go. I see no reason not to have one, the first was voted on with false info (some say from both sides). We have more info now, so let's go for it.
TMH we need to focus trade globally,
We already do this in many cases facilitated by EU membership....oddly enough!
a short sharp shock from leaving the EU and a deep recession there will help some of us "getbtye message".
No it won't. It would harm us immensely. I cannot understand why anyone would wish bad things on our most important trading partners. A very odd logic.
Don't sleep easy Brexies. We're coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.
How very agressive. By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue. It will be about looking forward.
Lib Dem "Brexit momentum" is going to come to a crashing halt in Selafield where they are going to finish 4th.
captainsasquatch - Member
Armed with the information we have now. I wonder which way a 2nd referendum would go. I see no reason not to have one, the first was voted on with false info (some say from both sides). We have more info now, so let's go for it.
There will be No more referendum on the same issue.
Your (remainders) fate is already sealed in 2016 😆
2017 will also be the beginning of the end of EU bureaucratic structure where you see the entire structure being dismantled in front of you like a slow motion crash ... piece by piece it will be taken apart ... there is Nothing you can do about it. 
Don't sleep easy Brexies. We're coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.
There is nothing you can do about it anymore coz the people have voted. Your fate is sealed forever for your lifetime and for few more generations to come. What you are experiencing now is the slow motion of your fate being ... slowly ... sloooowly ... tighten further. 😈
Chewkw: you are the Borg and I claim my [s]£5 £25 £625 £3090625[/s] hang on a moment let me fetch a wheelbarrow. Would you mind paying me in dollars?
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Think that sums it up, wish they had made some of these cracking statements in the campaign about having to beg for trade (which I'm sure someone will be along to point out are pointless and not needed anyway)
"Businesses across Europe will want trade with the UK to continue as usual after Brexit and any hint of trade barriers by the European Commission will be rejected," he claimed.
Mr Longworth added: "It is vital that these business leaders make representations to their national Governments to ensure that the EU is open for business."
Lets just explain that for the hard of understanding once again, we currently have no trade bariers with the EU, you lot voted to leave that arrangement. It's your fault if their are trade barriers.
By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue
Couldn't agree more Jamba. As I'm sure you know deep down, britex is cancelled.
Can we look forward to business as usual in Europe after Brexit and the collapse of the eu then? Good bit of war and international rivalry as national governments go back to their default position of blaming everything on those nasty foreigners instead of sorting out their own problems.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38447743 ]Up yours EU, by the way can we still play with you? Best you do, because if you don't it'll be bad for you.[/url] 🙄
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/ministers-lack-courage-to-admit-complexity-of-brexit-say-civil-servants ]no shit sherlock :)[/url]
Captain, firstly thanks for even looking at it.
If you think anyone is going to read a several hundred page legal document in order to [s]win an argument on the Internet[/s] try and guess what your objection is to it then you're barking, even by your own high standards.
Care to highlight a few salient points and explain how it affects you, perhaps?
By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue
I really hope that's true, but I very very much doubt it. Other than a large proportion of leave voters not remembering it cos they'll have died of old age, anyway.
I'm still waiting for Jambalaya's law firm article.
After 43 years the Guardian readers with the army of remainders keep pushing for instant clarification of the relationship with EU yet refused to acknowledge that they are no longer in charge. The former has to sell newspaper so hyped up the situation so the latter buy up their rhetoric.
The bottom line is Very simple.
You the reminders have no say whatsoever in how Brexit is done.
You may try to block it or try to delay it but that's only in your mind, the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.
the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.
That also goes for the brexiters. If Mrs May decides to appoint a bunch of self-serving, lying, incompetent ditherers to implement Brexit, and it then ends up a complete disaster, there's really nothing you can do about it.
Oh, wait. That's what she's done.
Chewk, question for you when Brexit fails then what, when those parts of the country that have been shafted discover that their pensions no longer exist, that the NHS is gone. That the grass isn't greener.
What is the next step?
At what point do the disenfranchised take to the streets realising that they have been shafted?
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/brexit-campaigner-michael-gove-defends-nhs-funding-pledge ]Double or quits? [/url]
oldnpastit - Member
the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.
That also goes for the brexiters. If Mrs May decides to appoint a bunch of self-serving, lying, incompetent ditherers to implement Brexit, and it then ends up a complete disaster, there's really nothing you can do about it.Oh, wait. That's what she's done.
Whoever are appointed Brexit will go ahead. It's done. People have voted to leave EU. Too late to cry now after calling people fools for voting Brexit. Now you have to submit to the "fools" whether you like it or not.
This is just the beginning so don't fool yourself by reading the Guardian to think otherwise.
Lib Dem "Brexit momentum" is going to come to a crashing halt in Selafield where they are going to finish 4th.
All it will do is reinforce how divided the UK is, how one half hates the other.
And until the brexiters begin to accept the weakness of their mandate things aren't going to get better.
Gove is a truly odious little bastard. No doubt he'll be back on the front bench soon.
mrmo - Member
... [b][u]when[/u][/b] Brexit fails then what, when those parts of the country that have been shafted discover that their pensions no longer exist, that the NHS is gone. That the grass isn't greener.
'When' and 'if' ... Both of which do not make sense as we are still in the process of triggering A50.
Nope, everything will be fine. You will not be shafted in anyway or form.
Brexit is doing all the things that need to be done. What is YOUR own next step?What is the next step?
The poor middle class lefties elite? Ya, do as you (lefties) wish coz that's the norm ... you like to hype up things ...At what point do the disenfranchised take to the streets realising that they have been shafted?
