It's pretty telling that the foreign Secretary's views have been dismissed by the the government as not representative.
Really... is he the right person for the job???
No. Next question....
You have to take your hat off to Boris for his Prince Phillip-esque determination to offend absolutely everybody.
It doesn't help May's cause that she's slapping him down this time for basically stating the truth, for once. In the same way that a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, Boris had to come out with something honest at some point, even if its by accident. And he doesn't half pick his moments
So when TM says she is going to trigger article 50 by March, is she representing the UK Government or not?
It is a bit confusing.
Of course he is not Matty. giving him the job was a political act on Mays behalf to kill his political career and to make him a scapegoat
is he the right person for the job???
Given the job is taking the blame for Brexit not happening at all then yeah, he's perfect.
The duplicitous bastard has basically been stitched up like a kipper by an even more duplicitous bastard who happened to be looking for a fall guy for the impending car crash.
Given the way he's conducted himself, he can hardly have any complaints.
Its going to be interesting to see how long they'll be able to keep a lid on the scheming and open hatred within the brexiteers once it all starts to go tits up. Not long, I'd imagine
|Its not as if the saudis brutalities in yemen using UK made weapons are in any way likely to radicalise people and cause us problems further down the line.......
My enemies enemy is my friend
Oh... hang on a minute... that doesn't even work either, does it?
One would hope that TM is representing those people whose viewed she sort and whose wishes she (ok here predecessor) promised to respect and implement. Its not hard.
And since she is a remainer, she puts the Brexshiteers in the firing line, so to speak. Ditto....
At least after all this nonsense, we wont have too many people arguing that these muppets should have more say in running the economy, education, health etc....what a shambles. Gov cant execute a simple task, oppo goes AWOL, Lib Dems ignore the will of the people and the SNP being silly. Bunch of clowns, the lot of them.
BoJo is juts a warm up to Trump and his twitter diplomacy - its going to get a lot worse.
Lib Dems ignore the will of the people
On a slight tangent it could be argued that in a representative democracy they are doing what they believe is right and what they were elected to do. Representing their constituents best interests [u]not[/u] the rather nebulous and contradictory self-harming "will of the people".
And how are the SNP being silly? I know you find them abhorrent but again, they are doing their job with a stronger "mandate" from Scotland than TM has overall for Brexit in the UK.
Lib Dems ignore the will of the people
Well... 52% of them. They're fully in line with 48%. You could argue that the Lib Dems have never been more in tune with the nation in their entire history 😀
"Representing their constituents best interests
not the rather nebulous and contradictory self-harming "will of the people"."
Which can change overnight.
to enforce the "will of the people" 😐royal prerogative
I'm inclined to think your average libdem is a remainer.
i wouldnt have said I was a lib dem, til;l they started becoming the party of the remainers
im still not sure about born again farron, but what are my options?
Mp's oppose the "will of the people" with the [url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/ ]death penalty for example[/url]. (also all the governments since 1964 have had the good sense not to put it to the people, how did we get in this mess again ?)
I'm incline to think your average remainer is or shortly will be a Libdem or SNP. That's a lot of votes in one place in a first-past-the-post system. Who is the Libdem leader BTW?
I'd like to know how legally my EU passport can be removed from me.
The EU does not, and never has, issued passports. They have been quite clear (the Scottish government has the letters) that status as an EU citizen comes from being a citizen of a member state. If you cease to be a citizen of a member state (because that state is outside the EU) then you cease to be a citizen of the EU.
And how are the SNP being silly?
Well looking at recent news stories, the obvious one is their transport minister got caught driving without insurance
They have also been caught making SAAS remove statements that bursaries for poor students are being cut to maintain free university education.
All sounds quite silly to me.
Greens Kimbers?
Well looking at recent news stories, the obvious one is their transport minister got caught driving without insurance
They have also been caught making SAAS remove statements that bursaries for poor students are being cut to maintain free university education.All sounds quite silly to me.
I thought it was a brexit specific statement rather than a generality.
Transport minister one is really stupid - but note unlike other politicians caught similarly he has held his hands up and will accept he is going to get what he deserves
Greens Kimbers?
Not until they support open scientific evidence based policy making in all areas rather than hardline ideology.
Transport minister one is really stupid - but note unlike other politicians caught similarly her has held his hands up and will accept he is going to get what he deserves
That was my reading too
[quote=grumpysculler ]I'd like to know how legally my EU passport can be removed from me.
The EU does not, and never has, issued passports. They have been quite clear (the Scottish government has the letters) that status as an EU citizen comes from being a citizen of a member state. If you cease to be a citizen of a member state (because that state is outside the EU) then you cease to be a citizen of the EU.
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But my passport states I am a citizen of the EU. When the UK leaves and we are no longer EU citizens then the passport will be invalid and due for immediate replacement with a UK only one??
[i]But my passport states I am a citizen of the EU. When the UK leaves and we are no longer EU citizens then the passport will be invalid and due for immediate replacement with a UK only one?? [/I]
Go back 100 pages or so, I did ask if anyone had a plan for how we'd all get a new passport for Day Zero (and who'd pickup the cost), as I'm pretty sure other countries' Border Agency will not let us in with 'obsolete' ID.
But my passport states I am a citizen of the EU
Sure about that?
Mine says British Citizen (photo page, number 3)
I'm pretty sure other countries' Border Agency will not let us in with 'obsolete' ID.
The least of your worries, countries don't turn away tourists because two words on the passport cover are superfluous.
The passport issue is one that will have to be dealt with. Will I go thu the EU passport holders channel? I have an eu passport. How can they take that passport away?
The other big issue being ignored is what to do with the EU nationals here. Will they have right to remain? May has said so but they will all need some new form of ID to show they have residual rights. I read that at the capacity of the current system for registering for residence rights to register all eu nationals in the UK would take 1400 years
Ninfan - it may say that but also in a couple of places it says EU. Its an EU passport ie allows me to use the EU passport channel at immigration.
[url= http://newsthump.com/2016/12/08/government-opens-new-community-swimming-pool-filled-with-tears-of-remainers/ ]Government opens new community swimming pool filled with tears of Remainers[/url]
Well, the Trump pool only has 4 or 8 years of tear supply… we have an endless supply…
The least of your worries, countries don't turn away tourists because two words on the passport cover are superfluous.
'united kingdom'? 🙁
house that straddles the NI / ROI border - his front door is in ROI his back door in NI.
Troubles in the bedroom?
house that straddles the NI / ROI border - his front door is in ROI his back door in NI
If he wants to remain in Europe then he can get someone to kick his backdoor in.
I'm inclined to think your average libdem is a remainer.
From the research report Lib Dem's about 70/30 Remain
Brexshit is almost worth it simply to imagine TJ having a strop with some immigration official
Labour always said they would not delay implementing article 50 spineless numpties that they are
or following the direct instructions given to them by their consituents (unlike the SNP MP of a vote Leave constituency who voted against the Labour motion last night). Inconceivable how Labour could possibly vote against
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Inconceivable how Labour could possibly vote against
Still haven't quite grasped how representative democracy works then.
If they are doing their jobs they should vote in the direction they feel is best for their constituents and the country.
What stops them voting in this manner on a particular issue is wanting to save their own political skins.
I trust Julian Sturdy voted against then Jamba - Tory Brexy in remain constituency.
Food and drink has an important role in the economy, making up the UK’s biggest export, worth £18bn led by Scotch whisky, chocolate, beer and salmon. Despite its relatively low profile, food manufacturing is worth more to the UK economy than the automotive and aerospace sectors combined.
I did not know that
Now given that whisky and salmon will be predominantly Scots, I wonder how much of UK exports originate in Scotland.
Goods that is not services. Although London, associated with service exports, also voted remain - was it the international trade areas that voted remain and the inwardly focused areas that didn't.
York (remain) is very tourist dependent.
Thoughts on a postcard.
Now given that whisky and salmon will be predominantly Scots, I wonder how much of UK exports originate in Scotland.
In 2014 there was 27.5bn international exports from Scotland of which 10bn is services.
In the same year, the UK exported (I think, hard to find exactly comparable data) 283bn of which 56% (158bn) was goods.
So Scotland's international exports are 9.7% of the UK overall and 11.5% of goods.
Top trade destination country for both UK and Scotland is USA (excluding intra-UK trade). Of course, that treats the EU as separate countries and not a single market.
[i]The least of your worries, countries don't turn away tourists because two words on the passport cover are superfluous. [/I]
Yer, right...
I take it you've not travelled much.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36228034
So roughly average per capita, and presumably if you took out London, rather higher than average per capita compared to the rest of the UK.
Edit - on totals. Split by goods and services would need better data than I can get on the east coast mainline.
