[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

igm - Member
Anyway I've come to the conclusion I don't need to worry about you because you are the figment of someone's imagination.

There are too many inconsistencies for you to be who you claim you are. so I'm just guessing who you really are.

One consistency - you don't want to pay your dues on here either judging by the missing 'P'. Just like with regard to Europe.

Edukator - Reformed Troll
So, Chewkw, you now know why I've engaged with you so little in the 490 pages of this thread. Your online persona doesn't add up. I've never for an instant doubted Chris is French. His pseudo tells anyone French instantly. His English is excellent, the rare mistakes he makes are exactly the same ones other native forum users make. Just now and then he writes something and in my head the French version pops up, but it's still written in correct English.

You, Chewkw, are taking the Micky with your use of English when you can clearly do better, and I feel that Micky taking pervades your contributions to this thread.

I don't know about others. However, they can be whoever they want to be online I can't be arsed to find out tbh. If people are nice they are but if people are not so be it coz that's who they are. Their identity.

There is nothing wrong with referencing or using others' views as it makes life easier with all the viewpoints concentrated in one location. Hence, I always arsed if there is something new in the line of argument? As for using others' views etc I can do that too but I can't be arsed and I see no big deal in this respect.

You cannot understand me because you have not encountered a person like me in this world. i.e. me. I am unique. There is not another one like me in this world. You cannot clone me. 😛

I have given you my answers short of giving your my bank details so that's that. No, not giving you my bank details. I never arsed anyone to reveal themselves in anyway or form apart from themselves volunteering the information to prove a point.

captainsasquatch - Member
And there was me thinking that it was the utter bollocks that he spouts.

Interesting result from the Austrian election.

Does that mean the losing side have to accept the result? hmmmm ... 😆

What you say? Yes, no? After all the margin might be low you know.

Unexpected result in Austria from my perspective - see below

What was Jamba's prediction/desire on that one?

Prediction - too close to call, result not till mid week (posted that earlier)
Desire - up to the Austrians to decide. A Hofer win would have seen a likely general election in Austria which I think would have been good for UK. Quite a lot of moving parts though

Another example of inaccuracy of opinion polls which had the result very close.

The big one is Italy, result and if No will the PM actually resign (I am doubting it).

I am really your voice of truth and reason

I actually agree with a lot of what you say about the bureaucracy - but I judged that the benefits of the EU (trade, human rights, free movement, peace, etc) outweighed the bureaucratic negatives and voted remain.

Does that mean the losing side have to accept the result? hmmmm ...

jambalaya - Member
Unexpected result in Austria from my perspective - see below

Yes, they are all going to be very close.

I have a feeling that country with terrorist activities will vote very differently this time. e.g. France & Belgium.

. I never [u]arsed[/u] anyone to reveal themselves in anyway or form apart from themselves volunteering the information to prove a point.

"Asked". You see my problem, your errors seem to be Micky taking. You're like a captainflashheart troll from 13 years ago.

Let's see what the lies were in the campaign before deciding that one, eh?

Last debate: I think Hofer called the Green party guy a lier 25 times and the Green Party called Hofer a lier 7 times. That however is just a guide to how bad tempered it all was.

Interesting result from the Austrian election.

Does that mean the losing side have to accept the result? hmmmm ...

What you say? Yes, no? After all the margin might be low you know.

and in a few years there will be another election and in the meantime the opposition will oppose.

Hmmm, now there's a thought, Jamba and Flash know Borneo better than anyone else on this forum.

captainsasquatch - Member

Does that mean the losing side have to accept the result? hmmmm ...

Let's see what the lies were in the campaign before deciding that one, eh?

grumpysculler - Member

I am really your voice of truth and reason

Anyone who says that usually isn't

I actually agree with a lot of what you say about the bureaucracy - but I judged that the benefits of the EU (trade, human rights, free movement, peace, etc) outweighed the bureaucratic negatives and voted remain.

😆 They might resist but that is futile coz I am already inside their heads. They cannot delete me from their heads unless they want to delete their own memory.

Glad you understand what I have been saying.

Have we done BoJo says we shouldn't pay loads for market access yet?

Be interesting to see whatever fluff farrage comes up with on next weeks question time..

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38200112 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38200112[/url]

So if I go for scallops and you go for lobsters,
So all right no contest we'll order lobster
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the calling off off,
Let's call the whole thing off.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

. I never arsed anyone to reveal themselves in anyway or form apart from themselves volunteering the information to prove a point.

"Asked". You see my problem, your errors seem to be Micky taking. You're like a captainflashheart troll from 13 years ago.

tpbiker - Member
Hang on..so our resident Brexit fanatic doesn't even come from these shores? Am I alone in thinking this is ironic?

igm - Member
And another one doesn't live here and wants to live in Switzerland.

tpbiker given the amount of work I have put into this and prior EU threads I am devastated not be be chief Brexit fanatatic, I mean otherwise what was the point ? 😐 well apart from the result !

I am resident in the UK, pay taxes and vote. I spend a lot of time in France due in part to poor health of my father in law.

I love Switzerland, mountains, lakes an organised and efficient country. A few hours drive to Italy and France. Good airports etc. Definitely a mistake not to have moved there 10-15 ago, just never happened / didn't make it happen.

@matty saw that on Marr. It is an economic decison, personally I think they should pay us given trade defifict but that's not going to happen not least as the EU is going to struggle to match their budget once we have gone and are not paying in €10bn net. So from a negotiation perspective it makes sense not to rule out paying something for access to certain trade free sectors, to be done sector by sector ?

Dear me BBC. The arrogance of a little island state thinking its going to decide what trade tariffs are applied is gonflé (inflated). A bit like Cuba trying to dictate tariffs to the US. "Brexit" means "Brexit" means "out" as in "not in the club", but if you pay enough we might let you in (please sign here to agree to perverse acts with club members).

Edukator - Reformed Troll
Dear me BBC. The arrogance of a little island state thinking its going to decide what trade tariffs are applied is gonflé (inflated). A bit like Cuba trying to dictate tariffs to the US. "Brexit" means "Brexit" means "out" as in "not in the club", but if you pay enough we might let you in (please sign here to agree to perverse acts with club members).

You sound like we are going to be embargo by the EU bureaucratic system ...

Cuba was embargo ... you want UK to face embargo?

Dear me BBC. The arrogance of a little island state thinking its going to decide what trade tariffs are applied is gonflé (inflated). A bit like Cuba trying to dictate tariffs to the US. "Brexit" means "Brexit" means "out" as in "not in the club", but if you pay enough we might let you in (please sign here to agree to perverse acts with club members).

captainsasquatch - Member
The beauty of this is that EU can set the quality standards and we'll just have to toe the line without being able to negotiate or partake in the quality setting discussions.
Awesome.

How about UK set British Standard for imports? 😆

I am resident in the UK, pay taxes and vote. I spend a lot of time in France due in part to poor health of my father in law.

Wrong end of stick on residency. I trust you will accept my apologies for an honest mistake.

How about UK set British Standard for imports?

"Sounds like a well thought out plan"

You don't take control with plans, that's somebody else's responsibility!

Don't be too quick to apologise, igm. Jamba declares residency where he pays least tax, the UK. EU law allows this even if he spends a lot of time in France, even if he works in France but for a UK employer. He worked in Asia, did you pay your taxes in the UK or Asia at that time, Jamba? Expats generally pay very low rates of taxes on overseas earnings if they continue to pay their taxes in the UK.

igm, thanks but no apology really required, my comment about my FIL wasn't necessary to share and certainly wasn't done to make anyone feel bad - just trying to provide an explanation as to why we are in Paris a lot. Hopefully over a pint one day I can explain fully (EDIT Edukator same applies, pinte/bierre serieux ou petit verre)

Edukator bit lost on BBC comment, link ? It's a negotiation, to and fro things to be discussed. From a personal perspective as someone who has had negotiations at centre of my job for 30 years (and I would not say I am particularly good at them, ok or ok+) I just couldn't be bothered with the EU, they are not a commerical organisation all political BS. The notion of just giving the 2 choices, full access zero budget contribution / no freedom or hard Brexit and WTO tariffs. I say this also as I think all the upside is in global trade and time wasted buggaring around with the EU is wasted, put the time and effort in elsewhere.

Edit2: cchris your English is faultless, if you hadn't posted you where French I would have had no idea. If Edukator hadn't pointed out cchris is c'est chris my head would have kept spinning at your strange username.

Hopefully over a pint one day I can explain fully.

No explanation needed. But I'll happily take you up on the pint.

On negotiations, there are two distinct schools of thought. The give a bit take a bit school and the say what you want and be prepared not to get a deal. The latter can be remarkably effective if you really are willing to walk away - trust me I've used it - and it's particularly good when you are faced with folk who think it's always the former really.

My point was that once Article 50 is invoked negotiations start and no-one is compelled to give the UK favourable conditions. Some countries might decide that the UK has been abusing the system for years with fiscal dumping and demand measures that stop the UK benefiting from unfair advantages. Why would any EU country let the City go on unchallenged as the financial capital of Europe?

Cuba is starting negotiations with the US from a clean sheet of paper. Article 50 might be taken by some EU states to mean a clean sheet of paper.

So from a negotiation perspective it makes sense not to rule out paying something for access to certain trade free sectors, to be done sector by sector ?

It depends what that 'something' is, as it stands, the 'something' is undefined and likely significantly more expensive than our current deal, that's the crux of the issue.

Don't be too quick to apologise, igm. Jamba declares residency where he pays least tax, the UK. EU law allows this even if he spends a lot of time in France, even if he works in France but for a UK employer. He worked in Asia, did you pay your taxes in the UK or Asia at that time, Jamba? Expats generally pay very low rates of taxes on overseas earnings if they continue to pay their taxes in the UK.

Plenty on this forum work as contractors and minimise their tax, they are subsidised by paye staff and their employers when compared like for like

Edukator - Reformed Troll
My point was that once Article 50 is invoked negotiations start and no-one is compelled to give the UK favourable conditions. Some countries might decide that the UK has been abusing the system for years with fiscal dumping and demand measures that stop the UK benefiting from unfair advantages. Why would any EU country let the City go on unchallenged as the financial capital of Europe?

They do as they wish coz there is nothing stopping them if they are determined. I suggest they do it so go on push it I double dare them (as in Pulp Fiction 😆 ).

Cuba is starting negotiations with the US from a clean sheet of paper. Article 50 might be taken by some EU states to mean a clean sheet of paper.

Thats a point of view. Our current deal is totally daft - we pay ££££ yet we have a trade deficit. Look at Switzerland and Norway, they pay but have a surplus, makes sense. Maggie wore the trousers and got a rebate. Economically (IMO) the EU has far more to lose from hard Brexit and is on the edge of a cliff financially. If it get's to a stand-off there is only one winner financially. I can't be bothered with a charade (or the EU personalities) so would just get on with it on the basis of hard Brexit - if/when the EU comes to discuss a deal so be it. They'll be asking for €€€€ via IMF soon enough.

Edukator: the financial services sector does not have to move if passporting is lost, they'll just sign some joint venture / marketing agreements or use existing European offices to "front" the business - an additional cost lower profits/higher price to client. As I posted a good friend told me Lloyds are looking at a Maltease office. The EU member states simply do not have the regulatory infrastructure to support a significant amount of business/headcount moving there. The notion that a noticable section of London finance is going to move to Northern France is fanciful imho.

I was think of Frankfurt, Dublin, Luxembourg as the main beneficiaries rather than northern France.

Edukator - Reformed Troll
I was think of Frankfurt, Dublin, Luxembourg as the main beneficiaries rather than northern France.

They don't want to go, but then nearly half the British population don't want to leave the EU either.

They don't want to go, [b]but then nearly half the British population don't want to leave the EU either[/b].

I can't be bothered with a charade (or the EU personalities) so would just get on with it on the basis of hard Brexit

See you do like the just state what you want deal or no deal stance that you accuse the EU of taking in an arrogant manner. If anything they are offering one more choice than you are. Just saying like.

Our current deal is totally daft - we pay ££££ yet we have a trade deficit.

Unrelated points. The deal is a great one. Our trade deficit is due to other factors completely.

So the WTO is likely to tell us to do one aswell.....

https://www.channel4.com/news/by/jon-snow/blogs/brexit-a-costly-pick-and-mix-deal

[i]Economically (IMO) the EU has far more to lose from hard Brexit and is on the edge of a cliff financially. If it get's to a stand-off there is only one winner financially.[/I]

One winner, the USA?

Oh, oh, is it China?

China.

Jamby -member

Economically (IMO) the EU has far more to lose from hard Brexit and is on the edge of a cliff financially.

True. But the EU may see the economic threat as less important than the threat to its very existence. In which case a bit of short term pain is well worth the price.

Jamba - how on earth can you really think the EU has more to lose over a hard leave than we have? they have exactly zero incentive to make life easy for us and nothing much to lose by making it hard. We are a small market to the EU, they are a huge market to us.

There is an undercurrent of feeling in the EU to make this as hard as possible - and thats exactly what I would do for a whole load of good reasons.

It's a very odd mentality that is based on making important partners worse off???

It'll be a transfer of wealth generating sectors to the UK mainland as they need to remain within the EU. An unwanted but inevitable side effect will be a relatively impoverished Britain.