[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Will do, Chewkw. I'm still in the EU. I haven't gone from having 27 allies to 27 adversaries today.

We're getting an allotment cos we're all gonna need to provide for ourselves before, during and after the coming catastrophe

Well done sociopathic wrong'uns of the world.. you've gotten your way

mattyfez - Member
United my backside.

How to i apply to become a Scottish?

It's easy. Just come and live here.

Nae racists here, our sectarianistos ate them years ago. The only colour bar is don't wear green in the wrong part of Glasgow. 🙂

just to make Britain 'great again'

Was this the bit when we asset stripped India or could pack our orphans off to Australia? Was it the bit when we had the worlds largest navy? Maybe it was when we could force the Chinese to consume our Opium? or do the Black and Tans count?

I guess we could use the aircraft carriers sans planes to ship jam to China and force the Chinese to buy it or we'll scream and scream!

I read that as ship Jamba to China.

Sorry Jamba. Sorry China. 😉

She's lost control again - joy division

I think that top trumps it

if we're doing songs,

Two offers from U2, Bad and New Years Day

Lose Control - James --- obviously
The Kids Aren't Alright - The Offspring --- get the demographics in there

On the plus side, generally when things are shit, the music is better.

Ooh late entry

Terminal Crash Fear - 60ft Dolls

This is Gonna Hurt by Sixx a.m. or
The Unthinking Majority by Serj Tankian

Well me and some colleagues went to the pub at lunchtime today to celebrate. The next two years are going to be ghastly but worth it.

Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate? If its half as bad as you predict then really you should be making contingency plans. A Remain mate has an option to move to Japan and is considering it seriously. I don't agree but at least he is being consistent.

Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate? If its half as bad as you predict then really you should be making contingency plans. A Remain mate has an option to move to Japan and is considering it seriously. I don't agree but at least he is being consistent.

Sorted out an Irish Passport and spending my spare time brushing up the French and German.

Got to have options and as i am a citizen of no where....

The next [s]two[/s] twenty years are going to be ghastly [s]but worth it[/s]

FTFY

Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate?

By the time I'll be in a position to, I won't be able to. Thanks to Brexit. You have slammed that particular door on me and my family.

The next two years are going to be ghastly but worth it.

Two? Even Jamba reckoned it'd be 10 before we could see where we were.

Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate?

Not me. I imagine our family will do okay regardless, and I wouldn't want to take the kids away from their grandparents. And I always have the option to move back to Scotland if that does somehow pan out to be a better option

Madness, Shut up.

It will be a great opportunity for me as far as I am concerned ... 😛

The future is bright. Very bright.

You make your own future btw.

Few more tracks for Now that's what I call Brexit:

The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum.

National Front Disco

Say Hello, Wave Goodbye

and just to be (slightly) even handed.

I'm Free - you can either have the Who version

"I'm free
I'm free
And freedom tastes of reality
I'm free
I'm free
An' I'm waiting for you to follow me
If I told you what it takes
To reach the highest high
You'd laugh and say 'nothing's that simple' "

or the Soup Dragons

"I'm free to do what I want any old time
I said I'm free to do what I want any old time.......

These are the words me hear from my grandaddy, come on
These are the words me hear from my grandaddy
Who say nothing in this world like when a man know he free "

re emmigrating

weve sent our info off to the canadian embassay,partly out of curiosity, been told we have a very good chance of being accepted, should we want to, I have family there and the wife liked it, just the winters that are a worry

not planning to rush off yet, see how the negotiations pan out

I just dont fancy my kids having to live and look for work in a truly little britain

It all depends how badly the Brexiteers screw it up

as for a song.....

just the winters that are [s]a worry[/s]THE BEST BIT!

FTFY 😀

It will be a great opportunity for me as far as I am concerned ..

How so chewkw? What new opportunities does it open up for you?

"canadian"

Errr, Canada isn't in the EU, either!

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Two? Even Jamba reckoned it'd be 10 before we could see where we were.

No I said it wouod be 5-10 before we saw the real benefits of global trade deals and superior growth from non-European economies.

Onwards and upwards towards a bright new global future

I see Kimbers you are rejecting the EU too focusing on a country outside the Union.

You make your own future btw.

I had one planned but 52% ****ed that up for me. I know I keep going on about it but most people really don't seem to get it.

the real benefits of global trade deals and superior growth from non-European economies.

What will these deals look like? We don't put tariffs on their stuff, what do we do for them?

Jamba, you seem to have missed that Britain will be contributing more in the future if that's what the EU decides. I hope (and will vote for) tarifs that more than match the UK's current contribution for access.

Edukator you seem to have missed we will contributing ZERO. We have no legal obligation to contribute anything including for pensions of Brits who worked for the EU. There is simp,y no such thing as a "divorce payment". See House of Lords. The EU are hoping they can blackmail us by refusing to discuss trade until we agree to pay their ransom. We absolutely should call their bluff and go WTO and let them know it publically. WTO tariffs are fixed and only variable in exceptional circumstances.

WTO tariffs are particularly onerous on food, French farmers will go apoplectic when confronted with those.

Let's have a bit of The Wildhearts, while we're at it

Do you remember british achievement
And living when times were good
Watching the start of the end of an era
And would you go back if you could

jambalaya - Member
I see Kimbers you are rejecting the EU too focusing on a country outside the Union.

Oh no Im looking at a country with a decent trade deal with the EU 😉 , some decent values, open, good investment in science tolerant etc, unlike brexshit britain.......

So you don't actually want to live in the EU or in a country with Freedom of Movement ?

We don't put tariffs on their stuff, what do we do for them?

Buy all their mass produced tarrif-free meat and wonder why our farming industry is collapsing?

jambalaya - Member
So you don't actually want to live in the EU or in a country with Freedom of Movement ?

funnily enough its not just about the EU, its about living somewhere with an open tolerant attitude

brexshit bitain doesnt look like its going to be that....

once its apparent that brexshit has made the lives of those at the bottom no better, infact worse, who will the swivel eyed start blaming next?

hh45 - Member
...Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate? If its half as bad as you predict then really you should be making contingency plans...

No need to emigrate. Just move up to Scotland and vote in our indyref for independence.

Despite all the BS spouted by the Tories we will be in the EU.

No need to emigrate. Just move up to Scotland and vote in our indyref for independence.

Despite all the BS spouted by the Tories we will be in the EU.

thats on the cards too, mrs works in the oil industry tho, bit flat there at the moment, tho again the weather.... 😉

I don't see how a Brexit theme tune could be anything other than Sympathy for the Devil

The opening drum line has got to be what you hear when you put a Stethoscope to Farages chest.

GrahamS - Member

It will be a great opportunity for me as far as I am concerned ..

How so chewkw? What new opportunities does it open up for you?

Firstly, import and export.
Secondly, small niche manufacturing.
Thirdly, service industry.

That's all I can say coz further details will only encourage competition for me. 😆

"funnily enough its not just about the EU"

LOL, so all these posts and now you're not that fussed if you live in the EU or not.

Priceless.

😀

molgrips - Member

You make your own future btw.

I had one planned but 52% **** that up for me. I know I keep going on about it but most people really don't seem to get it.

If you have planned properly you would also include contingency.

Therefore, you did not plan well and one plan is certainly not enough.

"funnily enough its not just about the EU"

LOL, so all these posts and now you're not that fussed if you live in the EU or not.

Priceless.

im glad Iive tickled you so

what I want to do is live in the EU & Britain, sadly thats being taken away from me.......

maybe scotland will sort it out, a lot of EU science funding could be heading their way if they can get membership sorted, which would be good for scientists

as chewk points out, its good to plan ahead and Im keeping my options open

if brexshit is as badly executed as the clowns running the show lead me to believe, this is one sinking ship Im prepared to leave

So - some Bobs on the radio this afternoon. One Welsh Bob equivalent, I'll call him Dai, was going on about how the EU had undercut South Wales steel with imports from Poland, and how after Brexit heavy industry would return to the area.

Can this happen? Who's going to put big factories here when it's not an EU country so they might as well put their money in China or somewhere in the developing world? We don't have the advantage of being an EU member any more, and we also don't have the low wages and other dubious laws that make developing countries more attractive.

Am I missing something? (serious question)

That's all I can say coz further details will only encourage competition for me.

Fair enough, but can you give some hint how leaving the EU has made this opportunity possible? i.e. what was it about being in the EU that previously prevented you from establishing your niche manufacturing, import/export service industry?

No, you have just planned badly that's all.
If you have planned properly you would also include contingency.

I will not engage the troll.

GrahamS - Member

That's all I can say coz further details will only encourage competition for me.

Fair enough, but can you give some hint how leaving the EU has made this opportunity possible? i.e. what was it about being in the EU that previously prevented you from establishing your niche manufacturing, import/export service industry?

This time next year, Rodney...

molgrips - Member
This time next year, Rodney...

😆 Good quote that from Only Fools and Horses ... 😆

Well what I would say Brexy boys is that I'm all right, in fact on a personal basis I'm doing better than pre-Brexit* and who knows there may be a link - but you've wrecked the country in so many ways, so do not underestimate the hatred I have for you and my pettiness when it comes to getting my own back.

Enjoy your day.

*go on tell me Brexit hasn't happened yet 😈

Am I missing something? (serious question)

I worked for Corus, common feeling was that Port Talbot was a dead man walking. I worked downstream but one of the big issues was cheap steel shipped in from China.

In the brave new world, British steel will be subject to tariffs to gain access to the continent, the TGV for instance runs on rails made in York.

One issue is how Tata see Imujden and whether they see any point in a plant outside the EU.

Can Port Talbot compete, maybe but! Coke is imported, Steel Ore is imported. so those are going up, labour is being devalued but the process is no where near as labour intensive as it once was. There will be no return to world of the past.

Will the Cornish tin mines reopen, maybe but again it relies on the pound being very weak and someone investing money.

And do we really want heavy industry?

It was an environmental disaster.

igm - Member
... so do not underestimate the hatred I have for you and my pettiness when it comes to getting my own back.

Enjoy your day.

Very dramatic, very good ... 😆

Not revealing any more details ... very sneaky that.

I'm not asking for a detailed business plan or even what it is you plan to manufacture, import, export and service.

I'm just interested to hear what aspect of leaving the EU has created this new opportunity for you?

We absolutely should call their bluff and go WTO and let them know it publicall

I assume you know that going WTO isn't as easy as everyone seems to thinks it is.

And do we really want heavy industry?

It was an environmental disaster.

Interesting point, do you drive a car? Do you buy stuff shipped by container ship from China?

Is it right that you export your pollution? Which a lot of the environmental improvement in the UK really is.

so out of the EU will we no longer have their 75% tarrif on chinese steel?

domestically steel purchasers would chose that over welsh stuff?

GrahamS - Member

Not revealing any more details ... very sneaky that.

I'm not asking for a detailed business plan or even what it is you plan to manufacture, import, export and service.

I'm just interested to hear what aspect of leaving the EU has created this new opportunity for you?

Less competition for me.

Curiouser still.

So are you assuming that the government will fail to get a Free Trade Agreement with the EU to reduce that competition?

Aren't you worried that one of the new trade agreements with non-EU countries might just replace whatever competition you think you have from the EU at the moment?

Angela Merkel has dealt an instant blow to Theresa May's plan for Brexit by rejecting the PM's plan for trade talks to take place at the same time as Article 50 secession negotiations.

Britain will be put into the slow lane for discussions about any future trade deal with the EU following an intervention by the German Chancellor, who intervened just hours after the UK invoked Article 50.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-50-angela-merkel-rejects-theresa-may-parallel-talks-a7656506.html

did May really think she was going to get this? Deluded or what.

Of course the UK must be "out" before and trade talks.

GrahamS - Member

Less competition for me.

Curiouser still.

So are you assuming that the government will fail to get a Free Trade Agreement with the EU to reduce that competition?

Aren't you worried that one of the new trade agreements with non-EU countries might just replace whatever competition you think you have from the EU at the moment?

domestically steel purchasers would chose that over welsh stuff?

IF you are building a shed (warehouse) the steel skin doesn't have to be special just cheap. The structural steelwork, as long as it meets the relevant codes...

D&B contractors will by the nature of the game rip a spec apart to save money.

Remember people … some are glad when things go wrong for others … so no point pointing out to them that their political aims damage the lives of others … they love it. Don't engage, unless it amuses you to do so. Nothing to be gained from it.

So chewkw to summarise: you are saying that leaving the EU has created an opportunity for you in the niche manufacture / import / export / service market by removing your competition.

But your opportunity is unaffected by having a Free Trade Agreement with the EU and trade with non-EU countries poses no threat.

Well I can see why you'd be pleased by the result on a personal level at least, but it does sound like you are in a pretty unusual position!

Remember people … some are glad when things go wrong for others … so no point pointing out to them that their political aims damage the lives of others … they love it. Don't engage, unless it amuses you to do so. Nothing to be gained from it.

My Brexit-voting boss came up to me today and made a point of saying she was celebrating today. Our organisation was formally and openly Remain and we stand to lose significantly from Brexit at a time when we're already in serious commercial difficulties irrespective of Brexit. She's that stupid that she's gloating about voting against her employer's official policy at a vulnerable time...

How such small-minded people have managed to get so much influence is deeply depressing. I suspect it's a nihilistic expression of 'I'm losing and so therefore must everyone else....'

Not a concern for me either way tbh.

Ha.

Bingo.

You're in it for your own selfish personal gain.

Explains a lot & even more about the way you pitch your arguments.

All deflection & proposition with little substance.

Why? To hide your own very selfish hopes & aspirations.

Charming.

Which a lot of the environmental improvement in the UK really is.

Yep.

GrahamS - Member
Well I can see why you'd be pleased by the result on a personal level at least, but it does sound like you are in a pretty unusual position

mrlebowski - Member
Ha. Bingo. You're in it for your own selfish personal gain.

Explains a lot & even more about the way you pitch your arguments.

All deflection & proposition with little substance.

Why? To hide your own very selfish hopes & aspirations.

Charming.

It's not normal chewkw.

Trust me.

It's really, really not.

In fact, your glee in these dubious qualities is either

A. Designed to enrage - good luck with that. As, if that is the case, you have my pity but nothing more.

B. Fantastically deluded, in which case you need help & you still have my pity....& nothing more.

C. Embarrassed by your own personal greed, but lack the EQ to deal with it.

d he is a troll winding you up.

TJ.

See A.

😉

Damn - where are my reading glasses?

How such small-minded people have managed to get so much influence is deeply depressing. I suspect it's a nihilistic expression of 'I'm losing and so therefore must everyone else....'

What do you expect from a nation of anti-intellectual, curtain twitching, pecksniffian, violently sexually repressed - deviants?

Rational thought? Really?

Bit racist that, isn't it Tom? 😉

chewkw - Member
I am very adaptable.

Interestingly that's one thing you come across as not being. Amongst others.

The EU are hoping they can blackmail

No, just calling in debts, but the UK media will dress it up as blackmail, the EU commissioners will read the gutter press bile and dig their heels in so hard the rope will break before you move them.

How much does Europe really need anything to do with a little island that is intent on creating unfair advantage? Not much.

Rather than being part of a protected block with high living standards, good health care, high education standards and a relatively low disparity between rich and poor, Britain has decided to jump in with the free market lowest-common-denominator race to the bottom. Because if you look for places where the poorest people have the highest quality of life you'll find most of them in the EU.

It really does amuse me how far detached from reality the leavers are. I loved Merkels slap down of May over trade deals.

May has almost no bargaining chips here. The EU can survive without the UK quite easily and playing hardball is in many ways to the EUs advantage

Come on you leavers - give me one reason why the EU will give the UK any concessions?

I'll give you two why they won't, TJ: fiscal dumping, social dumping.

[i] molgrips - Member
Are any of you remainers planning to emigrate?
By the time I'll be in a position to, I won't be able to. Thanks to Brexit. You have slammed that particular door on me and my family.[/i]

Reminds us of how bitterly you complained about how the EU was forcing your fellow countrymen to leave their homes and country, just so you and your family could stay and enjoy living in the UK and EU.

Seemingly, remainers want everyone to care about them and their ideals for society.
While not caring a hoot, for those for who the EU wasn't working.

Ironing, anyone?

Remainers participated in a democratic process and by doing so implicitly agreed to accept the result of the vote.

Oh,hang on....

I love how May talks about making the UK some kind of great progressive utopia. Seriously? Why didn't you do any of this stuff BEFORE the referendum? If you really gave a shit you'd have been investing in the country all along.

Remarkably, May has chosen cooperation against terrorists as a bargaining chip

How low can we go?

Imagine a PM smart enough to say “Your citizens are secure with us and we’re with you on security and defense. Now, about trade …”

Imagine.

Remainers participated in a democratic process and by doing so implicitly agreed to accept the result of the vote.

Haven't we done this? To sum up, advisory, and we didn't vote on single market membership or total lack of parliamentary scrutiny.